Malaysia launches military attack against Sabah militants
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
they think their police can handle mah...... send infantry soldiers? send tank/APC etc...
if these militants come to singapore, i think within 24hrs all gone case liao... all the active units kenna 2NTM
Their policemen killed were actually police commando leh.....their crack unit.
I won't say their forces suck or anything.
1. Its disrespectful to the deceased.
2. I have never been ambushed before. Best I do not comment unlike others who call them incompetent. Refer back to point 1.
Lastly, I think people dont realise that whacking them immediately with APC is not an easy decision to come to.
M'sia just brokered a deal with the Moros and Pinoy govt. To whack the Moros who came from the troublesome region immediately after that = LPPL.
In fact, its probably this reason that led to these events in the first place. The guerillas know they would be given time to prepare at Sabah after announcing their presence.
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Don: Sabah is not the sultanate's
Wednesday March 6, 2013
PETALING JAYA: The Sulu Sultanate cannot turn back the pages of history to reclaim Sabah, said prominent historian Prof Emeritus Tan Sri Khoo Kay Kim.If such a precedent was to be set, then Singapore should be returned to Johor and Penang to Kedah, he said.
“Their (Sulu Sultanate's) claims are difficult to come to terms with as what has been accepted for such a long time cannot be changed,” he added.
“Even if the matter is taken to the International Court, Malaysia would have a better chance of winning as Sabah had been part of the country for a long time.”
Prof Khoo said that although the state was originally part of Sulu, the British North Borneo Company had taken control of North Borneo, now known as Sabah, in 1882.
He said transmigration of Filipinos into Sabah had been ongoing as they felt they belonged to this part of the region although the Malaysian authorities regarded them as illegal immigrants.
“I am surprised why they resorted to arms this time around,” he said.
Institute of Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore Studies director Prof Kamarulnizam Abdullah said the Sulu Sultanate should honour previous agreements in which they ceded the territory to the colonial powers.
“We have inherited agreements made in the past,” he said, adding that social media users and the Opposition in both Malaysia and the Philippines appeared to be provoking the situation in Sabah.
“They appear to be politicising the situation to discredit the governments of the two countries,” he said, adding that the people should reject those who put politics before national sovereignty and security.
In JELEBU, Information, Communications and Culture Minister Datuk Seri Dr Rais Yatim said that based on international law, Sabah legally belonged to Malaysia and the state and any part of it cannot be claimed by any party.
He cited the Cobbold Commission 1963 findings that the majority of Sabahans agreed for their state to be part of the Federation of Malaysia.
(The commission, headed by former Bank of England governor Lord Cobbold, was also responsible for the drafting of the Federal Constitution prior to the formation of Malaysia).
Speaking to reporters after attending an event with prisoners and narcotics rehabilitation centre inmates, Rais said Sabah's entry into Malaysia was a nation-building move and the state's territory could not be claimed by any party after that.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/3/6/nation/12797149&sec=nation
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simple. since now happen i think the My military should have full authority to execute military action in full swing and restore peace and lives of the locals back to before.
from nwo on the My navy hasto step in. since likely that frsh rebels may be coming in via sea, the navy smaller cruisers and ships can help patrol and take down and sink any enemies in sight. more regular fighter plane patrols with wider radar coverage can definitely deter them. if they are too small to be detected, i think combat helicopters can be deployed.
All along the coast guards and solders should be deployed, and given orders shoot to kill.
the villagers there should all be informed and to report any strangers or suspecious people likely rebels. dont tell me their house got no phones? give them a hot line. a heavily guarded HQ control and hotline section should be set up, with help form the local or nearest radio transmitting stations if need to.
since now the existing ah gua rebels blended in, the My military should deploy non-uniformed spies into the villagers. they will gather information and sniff out suspected rebels cellsa nd hide out.
LAST AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE AIM IS TO STOP FRESH REBELS POSSIBLY COMING IN. AND TO CUT OFF ALL MEANS AND LINE SOF WEAPONS AMMO EQUIPMENT SUPPLIES, REINFORCEMENTS FROM REBELS GROUPS THAT MIGHT BE PLANNED TO LAND OR HAVE BEEN SEPARATED..
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The people should just pack their bags and flee Sabah
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
they think their police can handle mah...... send infantry soldiers? send tank/APC etc...
if these militants come to singapore, i think within 24hrs all gone case liao... all the active units kenna 2NTM
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Originally posted by Mr Milo:
this is really bullshit, it took 3 weeks for the military to react?
if it’s me, i would have incinerated those militants with naplam within 2 days
Not sure about malaysia law.. but to be fair to them, here my view..Malaysia police have paramilitary type.. like sg, our paramilitary will be the Gurkhas, police but train as a soldier... and most country law, need special excutive orders to mobilize the military including sg..so unleashing the military in public may also pose other serious consequences... so the gov maybe reluctant at first...
eg in US, the regular army and the national guards... they have a law, that the regular cannot be deployed in their home country only their national can be delpoyed in homeland..
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I think these filipino terrorists have planned this intrusion for a long time. They probably have setup bases in different areas within Sabah prior to their intrusion within Sabah and probably outside Sabah like near the border between Sabah and Kalimantan in Indonesia. I think their plans were to instigate some of the filipinos living within Sabah which estimated around 800,000 and secondly making them as their 'sparrows' or spies. They probably trying to make the issue like in Mindanao. The worse scenario I can anticipate from the further actions of these terrorists is that they would try to make the population of Sabah frighten and instill fears to the general public. I think the probabilities of these filipino terrorists of using bombs or suicide bombers in the town areas to create more terror is quite inevitable. The Malaysian government should seek co-operation with the Indonesian government assistance too to prevent these filipino terrorists from setting up bases within their territory near Sabah and Sarawak border. I won't rule out the involvement of filipino communist insurgents too. It seems like the typical way of the communist infiltration besides terrorism.
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Looks like a civil war will errupted soon
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
Looks like a civil war will errupted soon
Not civil war but they are trying to create civil unrest and lastly trying to destroy the credibilities of the Malaysian government peace brokerage in Mindanao which would be finalised in April this year.....probably the filipino communists propaganda too at work here. -
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Their policemen killed were actually police commando leh.....their crack unit.
I won't say their forces suck or anything.
1. Its disrespectful to the deceased.
2. I have never been ambushed before. Best I do not comment unlike others who call them incompetent. Refer back to point 1.
Lastly, I think people dont realise that whacking them immediately with APC is not an easy decision to come to.
M'sia just brokered a deal with the Moros and Pinoy govt. To whack the Moros who came from the troublesome region immediately after that = LPPL.
In fact, its probably this reason that led to these events in the first place. The guerillas know they would be given time to prepare at Sabah after announcing their presence.
police commando? frankly speaking, dun think they are the real elite forces at all.. they are fighting at jungle, not high risk building... Army should be used in the first place.. Those police commandos could have avoided death if this was resolve earlier.. Keep on saying want to negotiate?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
police commando? frankly speaking, dun think they are the real elite forces at all.. they are fighting at jungle, not high risk building... Army should be used in the first place.. Those police commandos could have avoided death if this was resolve earlier.. Keep on saying want to negotiate?
I believe they already realized their mistakes and a great lesson learned from the diplomacy negotiation and tactical shortcoming on their part. -
Originally posted by Summer hill:
Looks like a civil war will errupted soon
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
police commando? frankly speaking, dun think they are the real elite forces at all.. they are fighting at jungle, not high risk building... Army should be used in the first place.. Those police commandos could have avoided death if this was resolve earlier.. Keep on saying want to negotiate?
No la....must give Aquino face.
As you can see, bomb them nia, the filipinos threaten Msian embassy....things are not so easy to resolve....the MNLF was also posturing.
Imagine them entering the fray...
Anyhow I think its such a shame these things happened.
Sabah is a nice place and I would dearly love to visit again.
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Yes...Sabah is a very wonderful and phlegmatic place to visit. I've visited Kota Kinabalu once in 2010 and it reminded me of the time when Singapore was 30 and 40 years ago. I've a friend who is living in Lahad Datu, who is working as a Librarian in the National Library there. I didn't know she has married a year ago until I call her last week to see whether she is ok there and her kampung is safe. Well, I'm glad when she said that she and her husband are doing fine and well. The situation there are under control. I told her to take care and to be careful.
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who at m,alaysia sabah allow those illegals to massther?
and why have situation there beenlike that for many years and no one bothers to do something to it? national guard lah what lah this lah that lah, unless you have navies and airpower (like combat helicopters and jets), what use is the national guard? even in keeping the palce peace.
the diffecne is they have a gun and th animals in cage have no guns. but when the animals becum humans that carries gun, then the national guars seems like seesee girls already up foir a match.
advice to the MY gahmena nd army very simple, and they can keep it very simple.
due to political shift in philipines, some of they baron/jarl/militant groups/ lesser criminal groups/extremist/ had decided to shift their base illegally to sabah due to excuses of claims and geographical locatiom. MY made a mistake ina llow many of their people illegals to also mass there.
now the military action must press on. that sabah land do not belong to the philipines, and the people tehreare illegals, armed people in unifomr or not entering the couuntry are considerd extremist, terrorist. invaders. they have to get off the island say sorry internationally, or die figting to the alst man. no international court case needed. unless philipines givernemnt represent them. any way either case they have to boot out of teh island, amred and illegals both types.
WHAT'S TAKING THE MY ARMY AND GAHMEN SOLONG TO SETTLE THIS CASE? NO ONE WILL SAY THEY ARE BAD IF THEY START A MASSIVE ASSAULT AND KILL ALL THE INVADERS ON BAORD AND ROUND UP ALL THE ILLEGASL AND ASK THE PHILIPINES TO PAY FOR THEIR AIR OR SEA FARE HOMW. WHAT A GOOD CHANCE NOW FOR THE MY PM TO DO THINGS RIGHT AT SABAH ONCE AND FOR ALL NOW!
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
No la....must give Aquino face.
As you can see, bomb them nia, the filipinos threaten Msian embassy....things are not so easy to resolve....the MNLF was also posturing.
Imagine them entering the fray...
Anyhow I think its such a shame these things happened.
Sabah is a nice place and I would dearly love to visit again.
if need to the people and emabssy can close down and move out. and when such thigns happen, philipines need to know that they are in for something big. otehrwise if the situation gets out of hand, more malaysian troops can be deployed to the embassy and step up security within the paremeter.aiyah, advice to the malaysia businesses. dont invest tehre lah. come singapore. here safer. come here invest.!
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Originally posted by Summer hill:
Looks like a civil war will errupted soon
there will not be a civil war. sabah dont belong to those philiinoes in the first place. -
Filipino Jabidah recruits plotted standoff in Sabah
POSTED ON 03/10/2013 12:48 PM | UPDATED 03/11/2013 10:26 PM
TAWI-TAWI, Philippines – They were part of a covert military operation to seize Sabah from Malaysian control in the late 1960s. This time around, they are part of an overt plan to claim it again.
Two of the members of the Royal Sultanate Army – or the Royal Sultanate Force (RSF), as they're commonly known here – who trooped to Sabah on Feb 14, 2013 were among the recruits of the Jabidah commando unit under the secret plot Oplan Merdeka 4 decades ago. (Read: Sabah, Merdeka and Aquino)
Oplan Merdeka (freedom in Bahasa Melayu) was hatched by the Marcos military to send Muslim recruits to invade Sabah in 1968.
The exposed plot soured relations between Manila and Kuala Lumpur, prompting the latter to train and provide sanctuary to rebels belonging to the Moro National Liberation Front.
It is also here, in this picturesque Simunul town lulled by clear waters and white sand, where the Jabidah unit's chief recruiter and trainor, then Army Maj Eduardo Martelino, held initial training for his recruits. He set up a training camp here called Sophia, named after a beautiful Simunul lass he later married.
Two of Martelino's recruits, Musa Abdulla and Ernesto Sambas, were among at least 13 Simunul residents who boarded two ships to Lahad Datu, along with about 200 of their comrades, last February 14.
The two were able to escape from Corregidor Island in 1968 before the military shot dead their fellow recruits in what is now known as the Jabidah massacre, that lit the Muslim rebellion in Mindanao.
Today, Musa and Sambas are said to have cut off communication with their families in Simunul. Did they survive the Malaysian military offensive in Lahad Datu? Or were they among the reported 60 casualties in the Sabah standoff? No one here knows.
Although they share a common past, Abdullah and Sambas have different stories to tell.
Musa is the known military strategist of the gunmen in Sabah.
On the other hand, Sambas is a frustrated soldier who had tried in vain to return to service. He was the first Jabidah recruit from Simunul to be commissioned by the military as an officer with the rank of 2nd lieutenant, according to the book "Under the Crescent Moon: Rebellion in Mindanao" by Marites Dañguilan Vitug and Glenda M. Gloria that was first published in 1999.
The strategist
While Raja Muda Agbimuddin Kiram, an heir of the Sultan of Sulu, is the known leader of the armed Filipinos now on the run in Sabah, it was really Musa who mapped out the plan behind the Sabah standoff, Simunul residents told Rappler. (Read: Raja Muda escapes arrest)
Now in his 60s, Musa is the deputy chief of staff of the RSF, a rank below Raja Muda, they added.
After the botched Merdeka plan, Musa retired from the military. It's unclear what he did for a living in the succeeding years. Somewhere in between, he became the deputy chief of staff of the RSF.
Simunul Mayor Nazif Ahmad Abdurahman said Musa lived a retiree’s life. He would farm every now and then and was often seen buying fish from the port on early mornings. Musa’s wife, Aurelia, is the principal of Simunul Elementary School.
Musa’s home, a tattered wooden abode with a run-down car parked in a makeshift garage, is located by the side of the RSF camp in Simunul. From his house, he would have a good view of the entire camp, especially the meeting area where RSF members held regular meetings before the standoff.
Ibnohasim Akmad, an RSF member from Sulu, said Musa is their more visible leader, not Raja Muda.
Akmad, who was left behind when the group went to Sabah, said that during his one-month stay before the Sabah standoff, Raja Muda – who lives in Barangay Tubig Indangan, a kilometer away from the camp -- only visited their camp "sometimes."
It was Musa, Akmad said, who taught them about “military rules.”
“He just taught us certain formation then we were briefed about rules and regulations about the military, how to do it as military, how to follow military laws,” Akmad said.
Akmad refused to provide details of their “trainings," but denied these included firing guns.
He said goodbye
Musa’s wife, Aurelia, said he told her about their plan before the group left for Sabah.
“The truth is, he said goodbye. Even if I didn’t want him to go, I can’t do anything about it,” she said in Filipino over the phone.
COMMANDER'S HOME. Musa Abdulla, deputy chief of the Royal Sultanate Forces, lives within the camp. Photo by Karlos ManlupigLike most Tawi-Tawi residents, it was not the first time that Musa had gone to Sabah. Aurelia said Musa had gone to Sabah twice this year to visit his siblings in Lahad Datu.
At the height of the second Malaysian assault on Lahad Datu on March 5, a police official told us: “Kapag si Musa ang nawala o nahuli, wala na, dun na mabubuwag iyan, (If Musa dies or is captured, that’s when the forces will be defeated)."
A few hours after, the Kiram family declared a ceasefire – an appeal that Malaysia rejected.
Musa’s wife said she has not talked to Musa since he left because Musa didn’t own a cell phone.
Frustrated soldier
Sambas has a slightly different narrative.
When news broke about the Jabidah massacre on Corregidor Island in 1968, Sambas’ father, a former barangay chairman for 20 years, quickly travelled from Tawi-Tawi to Manila to fetch his son from Fort Bonifacio.They returned to their home in Barangay Manuk Mangkaw on Simunul Island.
FAILED DREAMS. Ernesto Sambas rarely left his home after grudgingly leaving the military. Photo by Karlos Manlupig“His father brought him home to show our neighbors that he is alive,” Sambas’ wife, Rubia said in Sinama, the language of the Sama.
After Sambas left Fort Bonifacio, he was never able to do what he has always aspired for – to become a soldier again.
A framed certificate that shows Sambas had completed his initial Jabidah military training course hangs on the wall of Sambas' house. Aurelia said his husband served as 2nd lieutenant of the Jabidah commando unit.
"Under the Crescent Moon" tells Sambas' story as the first Jabidah recruit to be commissioned officer by the Army. "[Sambas] remembers that day in 1967 when he saw [then Maj Eduardo] Martelino's recruits jogging on the rugged streets of Simunul. 'They looked like they were having fun.' One morning, Martelino passed by Sambas' house, looking for the latter's father who was then a municipal official. Martelino ended up talking with Sambas who signified his interest in joining the troops he saw."
"It didn't take much on Martelino's part to lure Sambas into joining the Sabah mission. Sambas claimed they were told early on about this plan even while they were still in the training camp in Simunul. He was thrilled by the prospect of becoming a soldier and joining an elite mission at that. In August 1967, Sambas joined Martelino's men in their combat training at Camp Sophia, which overlooked the sea."
Sambas lived his post-Jabidah life hoping that he could one day return to the army.
Promises were made but none pulled through, including one by the late Brig. Gen. Eduardo Batalla, then commander of the Philippine Constabulary in Western Mindanao, whom Sambas’ wife said was his contemporary in the military.
Battalla had supposedly said he would help Sambas return to the military once he became a general. Batalla had reason to make such a promise; he, too, was one of the young officers assigned to train the Muslim recruits on Corregidor Island, according to the book.
But Batalla was slain in Zamboanga City in a 1989 botched operation against gang leader Rizal Ali.
“He became frustrated and disappointed. He suffered from low self-esteem,” Sambas' wife told us.
Sambas spent most of time at home and was never able to get a decent job. None of his 3 kids were able to finish schooling.
Failed dreams
At 64, Sambas still held on to his dream of going back to service, and his wife continues to question why none of those who said they would help him ever got back to them.
Unlike Musa, Sambas did not tell his wife that he was going to Sabah. Aurelia said Sambas quietly and hurriedly packed his things on the day of February 14.
“I asked him where he was going but we couldn’t talk to him. He wasn’t answering,” she said.
She only learned about the Sabah standoff after watching TV news, the main source of information for Simunul residents. The family was able to contact Sambas during the first two days of their stay in Sabah.
But they have not heard from him since.
Would Musa and Sambas repeat history and live to tell another Sabah story?
http://www.rappler.com/nation/23484-jabidah-recruits-sabah