Teacher leaves harsh comment for Pri 1 boy
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Primary 1.... table, ruler don't know how to spell and parents still want to protect son????
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its good for the child.
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Originally posted by sinicker:
Primary 1.... table, ruler don't know how to spell and parents still want to protect son????
Who was being paid to ensure that the kid could spell right?
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Who was being paid to ensure that the kid could spell right?
other than teachers, it is also the parent's duty to teach -
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
other than teachers, it is also the parent's duty to teachAh ha. Now we're on to something.
If the teacher had anything other than shit for brains, would she not have called a parent-teacher conference instead of trying to pick a fight with a Primary 1 kid?
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the boy must be very naughty and the teacher gave him too many chances liao
the teacher did nothing wrong
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Ah ha. Now we're on to something.
If the teacher had anything other than shit for brains, would she not have called a parent-teacher conference instead of trying to pick a fight with a Primary 1 kid?
You do realise that the words are not really meant for the student? Indirectly, it is calling for the parents to pay more attention to their child studies.
It is still ok to not be able to spell "ruler" "table" etc. But not knowing how to dot an "i"? seriously?
and everyone was once a student, and should know that some parents are totally bochap in their child's studies, and throw everything to the teacher.
There is only so much a teacher can do, when parents are reluctant to enforce basic rules at home, e.g. make sure child does homework, revise for spelling etc. you need 2 hands to clap.
I have seen many child so spoilt by their parents, that their parents fight to bring their precious child out of every "hardship" their child faced in his life.
If child don't want to do homework, then let him be.
If child kena scolding by teacher for poor grades, complain straight to principal.
If child don't want to go to school, write parent letter and excuse him for xyz reasons.
It was quite ridiculous when I once saw my colleague hand in a parent's letter to my boss, for not coming for work. Spare the rod, spoil the child. This is indeed true.
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
It was quite ridiculous when I once saw my colleague hand in a parent's letter to my boss, for not coming for work. Spare the rod, spoil the child. This is indeed true.
you got to be farking shitting me .....
how old was the colleague ? ......
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Originally posted by Fatum:
you got to be farking shitting me .....
how old was the colleague ? ......
22yo. Parent's letter for diarrhea or stomachache or smth liddat. Never see doctor. and of cos my boss F*** her up down left right.... :)
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Time has changed....
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Frankly I’m a bit disturbed by this whole vigilante netizen BS; isn’t sadmummy better off tutoring his spelling or dealing with it like a mature parent by raising complaints through sensible means?
Posting on STOMP just seems so...trivial and idiotically dramatic.
Btw, the gender of teacher in question is nowhere implied in STOMP. Why does everyone assume “it” is a she?
And I’m seriously not getting why it’s just half a mark deduction for an undotted “i”. Technically speaking it should be zero.
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Originally posted by deathmaster:
You do realise that the words are not really meant for the student? Indirectly, it is calling for the parents to pay more attention to their child studies.
It's called passive-aggressive bullshit, and it's damning proof that the teacher's got shit for brains.
Originally posted by deathmaster:and everyone was once a student, and should know that some parents are totally bochap in their child's studies, and throw everything to the teacher.Oh really? Looks to me that the teacher is too busy abusing the student to inform the parents, so it's not the parents being bo chap but instead the teacher keeping the parents in the dark. Once again, shit for brains.
Originally posted by deathmaster:parents are totally bochap in their child's studies, and throw everything to the teacher.
parents are reluctant to enforce basic rules at home, e.g. make sure child does homework, revise for spelling etc.
parents fight to bring their precious child out of every "hardship" their child faced in his life.
A lot of assumptions there. You sure you're not making an ass out of you and umption?
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Originally posted by soleachip:
Frankly I’m a bit disturbed by this whole vigilante netizen BS; isn’t sadmummy better off tutoring his spelling or dealing with it like a mature parent by raising complaints through sensible means?
Posting on STOMP just seems so...trivial and idiotically dramatic.
Vigilante? This person posted what the teacher wrote on a student's answer sheet for people to form their own opinions? Would you prefer that such bullshit behaviour from teachers remain swept under rugs?
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Originally posted by soleachip:
Btw, the gender of teacher in question is nowhere implied in STOMP. Why does everyone assume “it” is a she?
It was stated in the original article that the teacher who made the remarks is a she. -
Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:
It was stated in the original article that the teacher who made the remarks is a she.
is she a chiobu with long legs or some nerdy short n skinny psycho who looks like she hasnt eaten for a few weeks?? -
I don't know... but I think the teacher is a nerd girl.
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maybe she hasnt got a date in longgg time.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Vigilante? This person posted what the teacher wrote on a student's answer sheet for people to form their own opinions? Would you prefer that such bullshit behaviour from teachers remain swept under rugs?
Oh yea – I’m sure raising the eyebrows of our local internet population is enough to flip the rug; pressure someone into corrective vacuuming on teachers; restore the shine in a demoralized education system. No reason not to anticipate/participate in anything less than our usual standards, is there? Let me guess what happens after this – the school announces a statement of apology, dumps a truckload of disciplinary action on the bullshitter and everybody goes to bed happy.
A+ grade for efficacy.
And um..., Gendanken (with all due respect), I’m not trying to justify this teacher’s behavior, but I ask this question in all sincerity. Do you seriously think that raising hoohaa about this on STOMP is going to get anyone, anywhere beyond public entertainment for everybody?
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Okay, I doubt we'll have any disagreement that unless you're going for a death sentence in the court of public opinion, STOMP's about as useless as ... well, that teacher.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, STOMP is, however, a public outlet for people who have outrageous experiences. That being the case, sadmummy has used the site as intended.
Frankly, in sadmummy's position, I would require the school, through the teacher or more senior staff, to come up with solutions to the problem, and to keep going until I am satisfied that the MOE is paying them to be educators - and I would keep turning the screws until they cry uncle. Then again, I run a team where people who have no clear idea what they are being paid for don't get paid for much longer, and I cut no slack for slackers of any stripe and in any circumstance. Obviously, sadmummy is either unable or unwilling to do so - tough luck for her kid.
Given the limitations of the situation, then, what we can get out of sadmummy's post is that enough public opinion is voiced for her to decide that she is in her place for holding the teacher up to the responsibility of actually earning her (the teacher's) salary.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Okay, I doubt we'll have any disagreement that unless you're going for a death sentence in the court of public opinion, STOMP's about as useless as ... well, that teacher.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, STOMP is, however, a public outlet for people who have outrageous experiences. That being the case, sadmummy has used the site as intended.
Frankly, in sadmummy's position, I would require the school, through the teacher or more senior staff, to come up with solutions to the problem, and to keep going until I am satisfied that the MOE is paying them to be educators - and I would keep turning the screws until they cry uncle. Then again, I run a team where people who have no clear idea what they are being paid for don't get paid for much longer, and I cut no slack for slackers of any stripe and in any circumstance. Obviously, sadmummy is either unable or unwilling to do so - tough luck for her kid.
Given the limitations of the situation, then, what we can get out of sadmummy's post is that enough public opinion is voiced for her to decide that she is in her place for holding the teacher up to the responsibility of actually earning her (the teacher's) salary.
it is all these ppl that make teaching such a hard thing to do. I believe only an educator has a right to criticise another educator whether he/she is deem fit to do her job a not. Just the same as an engineer can tell how good another enginner is anot. Given someone like you, i would probably have asked you to bring ur child back home and withdraw from the sch if i could. yes moe are paying educators for the job they do but they aren't paid for not doing work. Ppl can talk all they want but until they step into the inner part of the sch they wont understand how school/teacher works.
I do not agree with how the teacher handle the issue with the comments actually but i believe teachers as humans have all kinds of frustrations at work which at times humans do lose control. What the sch should have done is to provide a proper explaination and work with the parents to solve the issue rather have unconcerned citizens trying to add oil to the fire
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Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
it is all these ppl that make teaching such a hard thing to do. I believe only an educator has a right to criticise another educator whether he/she is deem fit to do her job a not. Just the same as an engineer can tell how good another enginner is anot. Given someone like you, i would probably have asked you to bring ur child back home and withdraw from the sch if i could. yes moe are paying educators for the job they do but they aren't paid for not doing work. Ppl can talk all they want but until they step into the inner part of the sch they wont understand how school/teacher works.
I do not agree with how the teacher handle the issue with the comments actually but i believe teachers as humans have all kinds of frustrations at work which at times humans do lose control. What the sch should have done is to provide a proper explaination and work with the parents to solve the issue rather have unconcerned citizens trying to add oil to the fire
Oh, puh-leeze. Teaching is hard? Who are you trying to fool here?
On a daily basis, I teach graduates with a minimum of Honours degrees, covering subjects like multivariate statistics and test construction - are you telling me that you know any better?
Mind you, while I was an undergrad, I completed a stint as a relief teacher in a government school, and within two weeks my class averages went up by 14%, and all that took was a bit of common sense that the teacher I relieved (of 20 years' "experience") simply failed to apply.It's teaching, not rocket science, kids. Been there, done that, and you're having a laugh if you actually believe that it's a hard job - you just don't know what a hard job is.
If I pulled the kid out of your school, you'd be kissing my ass for the favour. If I didn't make mincemeat out of you, any half-intelligent kid would. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh, puh-leeze. Teaching is hard? Who are you trying to fool here?
On a daily basis, I teach graduates with a minimum of Honours degrees, covering subjects like multivariate statistics and test construction - are you telling me that you know any better?
Mind you, while I was an undergrad, I completed a stint as a relief teacher in a government school, and within two weeks my class averages went up by 14%, and all that took was a bit of common sense that the teacher I relieved (of 20 years' "experience") simply failed to apply.It's teaching, not rocket science, kids. Been there, done that, and you're having a laugh if you actually believe that it's a hard job - you just don't know what a hard job is.
If I pulled the kid out of your school, you'd be kissing my ass for the favour. If I didn't make mincemeat out of you, any half-intelligent kid would.
oh and some sort of an educator are you to compare teaching graduate to teaching primary sch kids. If u wanna troll do it somewhere else for this forum are not full of stupid ppl. LOL if u pull the kid out of my school i will definitely open champagne and celebrate for getting rid of an idiot like you. For if you are a local you embarass the locals and if you are a foreigner then it is all kudos to the government policy. And trying to compare relief to a full time is another all time champion of ur lack of knowledge of teaching industry while trying to act as a know it all. Continue flaming as u wish... guess u have nth better to do anyway. I tot profs who are teaching grads are supposed to be busy producing papers. Guess u cld be frequently online tells alot. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:
Okay, I doubt we'll have any disagreement that unless you're going for a death sentence in the court of public opinion, STOMP's about as useless as ... well, that teacher.
No doubt about that, Sir.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, STOMP is, however, a public outlet for people who have outrageous experiences. That being the case, sadmummy has used the site as intended.
Frankly, in sadmummy's position, I would require the school, through the teacher or more senior staff, to come up with solutions to the problem, and to keep going until I am satisfied that the MOE is paying them to be educators - and I would keep turning the screws until they cry uncle. Then again, I run a team where people who have no clear idea what they are being paid for don't get paid for much longer, and I cut no slack for slackers of any stripe and in any circumstance. Obviously, sadmummy is either unable or unwilling to do so - tough luck for her kid.
Given the limitations of the situation, then, what we can get out of sadmummy's post is that enough public opinion is voiced for her to decide that she is in her place for holding the teacher up to the responsibility of actually earning her (the teacher's) salary.
I like the perfect circularity of your argument, and it resonates well with me.
In retrospect, one of the critical things no one else (apart from you) in this thread seemed to address – the act of intimidation/passive-aggressiveness heavily implied in this teacher's words, and the plethora of problems this kid could possibly face.
It is unfortunate – the incompetence of all agents responsible for education.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh, puh-leeze. Teaching is hard? Who are you trying to fool here?
On a daily basis, I teach graduates with a minimum of Honours degrees, covering subjects like multivariate statistics and test construction - are you telling me that you know any better?
Mind you, while I was an undergrad, I completed a stint as a relief teacher in a government school, and within two weeks my class averages went up by 14%, and all that took was a bit of common sense that the teacher I relieved (of 20 years' "experience") simply failed to apply.It's teaching, not rocket science, kids. Been there, done that, and you're having a laugh if you actually believe that it's a hard job - you just don't know what a hard job is.
If I pulled the kid out of your school, you'd be kissing my ass for the favour. If I didn't make mincemeat out of you, any half-intelligent kid would.1) teaching smart Honours degree grads(I assume there has to be some level of intelligence and motivation for them to get their honours) vs playful, unmotivated primary 1 kid. That's so relevant.
2) Which school, what level, what kind of students? 14% sounds nice. but from wad marks to what marks? I heard of people who improved their student's grades from 20/100 to 40/100, an increase of 50%, but so what? still considered fail. And I'm sure most fulltime teachers would have done relief teaching before signing on with MOE. obviously, relief teaching is much much easier than fulltime teaching, if not we won't be seeing the annual exodus of teachers from the teaching service.
3) Teaching is easy, I agree. But making your students improve is not. If the student is unwilling to study, and parents who not want to/unable to discipline their child, the student will never improve, no matter what the teacher do (which is kind of limited, given that nowadays parents easily complain about teachers overstepping boundaries. e.g. give too much homework/pressure on their child. complain about teacher scolding child. complain about why child is not allowed to bring handphone into O level exam.
They seem to insulate their child against everything, regardless of right or wrong. Is it wrong for a teacher to comment that a child's handwriting is ugly? In the past, my parents would have me whacked upside down for that, for bringing shame to the family. And today? Parents response by posting on stomp, and complain about the teacher.
And lastly, the teacher where got keep the parents in the dark? haha. She so clearly wrote down the child's problem: Ugly handwriting, poor spelling, talkative in class. And she has definitely captured the parents' attention.
It is good that she point out the problems early in the first month of Pri 1, instead of giving the parents a nasty wakeup call in Pri 2, when they discover their child failing exams.