‘S’poreans will always do worse than us’ says PRC student
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no lah, in chgina a lot of rich people actually, just teh population too big, bigger than ant nest and their gahmen policies will never reach out to all of them, and also some corruption, richer getting richer poor stays or worse. so they cum here sg work, where our gahmen known famous as such testciles and carry lanpar 1.
and they cumm here see our salary higher than them campare, and say think why they cannot get our type of salary.
so they drifted from the luck they have actually to cum another countryy work, and beginning to sway from the objectives they aim for. many young ones cannot pull away from the materialistics stuff, and ended up with nothing to bring back home. and y friend did tell me in china those verytraditional families - face is very important, which is something i think already 1 to laff.
just like the two pigs one can speak hokkien one i see yesterday - they wanted to shout at me in public so to show he very good and smart - but actually they not smart lah - they should do it today again becuase is friday - my most powerful day. they choose to settle it in public but i repfer at police station and in court.
so please anyone who sees them pigs tell them to wait fro me at MRT station again today so that we can followup on where we left yesterday - no guts don;t cum bother me again okay? and to the one who stays at unit 04-300, i saw you yesterday, got anymore friends also can call cum - but must follow sg law okay settle in court.
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The NUS student from PRC don't understand China and its culture...and it's not about languages, it is about "superman" err wat I mean is the desire for all people to live happily through one's humility, love and benevolence, tolerance, forbearance, justice and equality :DDD lol
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Pinch of salt la his words....why even bother. A lot of mainland chinese.....their presence is negligible. Less a few and replacements come within seconds.
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Why even bother to argue this topic...just show them that all of us from singapore are better then them by producing better results la....if not what's the point of even arguing on this issue...><"
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I think obviously there are hardworking chinese and hardworking Singaporeans, just as there are those "slack" chinese and singaporeans. It really differs with different individuals, and not appropriate to generalise to one whole society. For instance, singapore students feature well in the international maths olympiad despite being 1/1000 size of china's population.
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he apologized right?
so let it sgo.
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Originally posted by QX179R:
"First, we offered them a place to study here in Singapore.
Singapore boasts a highly competitive and well-regarded primary and secondary education system, but the number of Singaporeans completing a tertiary education is relatively low.
Only 23 percent of Singaporean students entering primary school complete a degree at a local four-year university.
In other knowledge-economies such as Japan's, around 50 percent of students complete a university degree.
However, according to Cheryl Chan, Assistant Director of the Planning Division at the Ministry of Education (MOE), the government does not plan to encourage more students to get a higher education.
The university enrollment rate will continue to be maintained at 20-25 percent because the Singaporean labor market does not need everyone to get a four-year degree, she asserted.¶10.
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/02/07SINGAPORE394.html
me: " so wad makes u decide to come here"
PRC: " i didnt"
me: " wa, ur parents force u here or ur bf is here"
PRC: "neither, ur SG gahment invited us here"
me: " huh, wad do u mean"they offer us, ALL Expenses paid for our fees in NTU, including lodging and we even get pocket money
on top of that, they have send me the INVITATION letter to apply for PR after we grad"
- PRC on PAP MOE.
http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2663008
PAP uses taxpayer's money to subsidise and pamper these aliens, now they take things for granted.
Cannot blame them, the way PAP praises them and beg them to come here.
This fucking PAP.
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Least we can provide, we still have the resources to solve problems...
It's not abt comparing grades, it's also how you get things settled and dealt with
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2 point....
1) he is right what... most prc student in sg are usually doing better than singaporean ar... cos they are usually the brightest from china what.. kena beg to come sg by xxxxxxxx... u ask them go compare themselves with LKY.. see who win? ..
2) knowing 2 or more languages is actually the only edge we have compare to those china man now... or compare to hk kia or japanese.... if we downgrade 1 language then we will be same as them already lo...
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Originally posted by charlize:
You are starting to sound like ah hit.
sound like me??i never commented here at all!!u can only do good in 2 or 3 languages and speak with beijing chinese accent in the real deal chinese.you can speak real english as in england.what have u got so far in spore after all the decades?u have spoken chinese which to china people would sound like a toddler just learning to speak the language,,you have singlish which no one outside asia really understands.
or if you do learn japanese,then it mist sound like the tokyo people accent and not the okinawa accent...or speak korean but instead of sounding like seoul accent u sound like a north korean accent.
its not i want to downgrade,its just that u are learning all the wrong chinese accent.the wrong english accent.speaking fluent in beijing accent or a sussex accent is of utmost importance.only then will u command respect from most people.
what u had in spore from the strart might have been wrong from the beginning.
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Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:
sound like me??i never commented here at all!!u can only do good in 2 or 3 languages and speak with beijing chinese accent in the real deal chinese.you can speak real english as in england.what have u got so far in spore after all the decades?u have spoken chinese which to china people would sound like a toddler just learning to speak the language,,you have singlish which no one outside asia really understands.
or if you do learn japanese,then it mist sound like the tokyo people accent and not the okinawa accent...or speak korean but instead of sounding like seoul accent u sound like a north korean accent.
its not i want to downgrade,its just that u are learning all the wrong chinese accent.the wrong english accent.speaking fluent in beijing accent or a sussex accent is of utmost importance.only then will u command respect from most people.
what u had in spore from the strart might have been wrong from the beginning.
language is just a communication tool.
you dont have to speak like native speakers do.
in fact many sound clownish trying to do that.
surely people in other countries dont all speak foreign languages like native speakers. the problem is not unique to us.
as long as people can understand you its good enough.
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i wonder how many forummers here have friends from PRC to really know what they say about Singapore ?
To PRC, the English in Singapore is not Pure. They say they learn the American English back in China but when they come here, they can't understand the English of Singapore, including those announcement made in NTUC. To the PRC, Singapore English is not English. They will say it's Singlish (to mock us).
There are many PRCs in China who have gone to study in Japan, France, USA, Europe countries and their mastery of these languages are superb. Some PRCs know more than one language.
I only want to say to PRCs, if you think you are so superb, go and show off to the Whites , not to your own kind. I have not yet seen how proud PRCs are in front of Caucasians. The PRCs will praise everything of the Whites. Still an inferiority complex.
Prove to the Whites that Chinese can be smarter, better and more talented than them. Don't come and ya ya to your own kind. I am sure the wisdom of Chinese can beat that of the Whites.
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Originally posted by dragg:
language is just a communication tool.
you dont have to speak like native speakers do.
in fact many sound clownish trying to do that.
surely people in other countries dont all speak foreign languages like native speakers. the problem is not unique to us.
as long as people can understand you its good enough.
you need to speak like they do to.........blend in and be understood.their accent and your accent is different and cannot be understood easily.
i agree that is clownish when someone has never spoken proper accent in that language in question before and he is trying it on the foreigner for the first time in his life.i have come across some singaporeans trying to impress an american by putting soooooo much effort into trying to sound with an american accent,that resulted in my sporean work collague speaking like a thai man speaking in an english accent.my "fake american" colleague suddenly looked like an ass most of the time after that.
accent and pronounciation r not easy things to master.its the amateurs who end up looking clownish.and i couldnt agree with u on that.
so if u need to speak english,speak it properly with the accent that u yourself have calibrated it with your ears and mind over the years.the americans when they heard my english and my sporean work colleague with the american accent that sounded more like thai english ..the americans noticed a total difference in english standards and found mine easily comparable with their american english back in the usa.they even asked me if i had stayed in the usa and if i had relatives in the usa....,,,,they must really thought i was from the usa without even trying unlike my sporean work colleague with the fake american accent froim some village in thailand.etc.
as for my sporean work colleague,the americans thought he was placed in the company by his uncle and thought he came from thailand with little spoken n written english.of course his uncle placed him in that job in order to learn from me.he was badly equipped knowledgewise and only had newbie skills which made me surprised on what he was doing all these years..he must have been selling soya bean drinks b4 entering in the field of robotics,although he was very old and balding.most of the time he would sit on his desk surfing forums and chat rooms instead of doing work.and his basic robotics and bread n butter skills was as bad as his fake american accent.
its not just simple speaking out a language.accent and pronounciation is very important..one alphabet pronounced out and its confusion paradise making idiots of speaker in question.
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When the PRC Chinese come here, most of them have a singular image of Singapore. That Singapore is entirely Chinese. When they come here they have a culture shock. They were noobs then.
With the government putting down Singaporeans, and accomodating the foreigners, these foreigners, sepecially the PRCs, now have a sense of pride. The government support them. Thats all that matters to them. The government is king over the citizens here. So why the hell they care what Singaporeans think of them.
They start badmouthing the citizens of the country they are guest in.
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PAP bastards.
This PAP has taken the people of Singapore for granted. That anglophile bastard forgot who helped him come to power.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 25:
PAP bastards.
This PAP has taken the people of Singapore for granted. That anglophile bastard forgot who helped him come to power.
he senile already...somewhere in nirvana land right now...looks like son will turn senile next...the cycle repeats...again.
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and i predict the son will be senile faster than his lky.why?if he dun use his brains...its shrinks...at least lky uses it....but not sure if lhl uses it enough....if he turns senile faster due to him not using it often...then more bad times ahead.
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Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:
he senile already...somewhere in nirvana land right now...looks like son will turn senile next...the cycle repeats...again.
He made use of the left wing to gain power, after he gained power he allied with the british to destroy the left.
He is a traitor of the left wing movement. He is only after power.
The left-wing trade union movement in Singapore lasted only a generation.
It faced formidable resistance from employers and governments, both colonial and post-colonial, which preferred orderly economic growth to strong, autonomous unions.
In seeking to establish a political arm, the movement secured political allies which did not share, or even opposed, its vision of labour as an equal partner of capital in the production process.
Although the unionists were inspired by Marxist concepts, the MCP was an ideologically divergent party aiming to establish a different political system.
The MCP’s failure to sustain a constitutional strategy also made the unions’ collaboration with it difficult and dangerous.
The Lee Kuan Yew group in the PAP used the left as a bridge to the Chinese-speaking masses; upon coming to power they quickly eradicated alternative sources of power and moulded labour into a disciplined cog in the industrial economy.
The Barisan Sosialis, arguably the only genuine party of labour but lacking a clear vision for merger, was smashed by PAP-British-Alliance machinations in the creation of Malaysia.
The unions were inexperienced in politics and made mistakes, believing moral leadership and worker solidarity to be sufficient to achieve their aims.
But their demise was ultimately due to the state’s repressive laws, purges and trials which decimated the leadership and prevented the maturity of the movement, and the maneuvering of government officials and politicians who made them scapegoats for riots and revolts.
From a global perspective, the labour movement, although it rejected the simple dichotomy of democracy and communism, was a victim of the Cold War and the forces that determined to destroy Marxism.
The rise and fall of the left-wing unions is an important part of Singapore’s postwar history that has been submerged under the PAP story.
The Cold War is over, except in Singapore’s history.
The unions’ story belongs to the theme not of communist subversion but of the rise of a people, lifted by youthful idealism and dynamic anti-colonialism.
In the 1950s and early 1960s, the unionism was part of a larger movement seeking to create a different Singapore from the society the PAP has since built.
The labour movement’s emphasis on social justice and worker solidarity and its willingness to collaborate with other groups on the fringes of society, such as the Chinese school students, cut across ethnic, social and occupational divides and offered hope for genuine democracy.
It underlined the importance of ends in life other than material achievement and economic growth. The movement brought dignity and self-respect to the working class, besides the tangible gains.
Its political involvement was crucial for the country’s progress towards nationhood, dashing the timidity that enveloped the island after 1948, and rousing the people, through issues which touched them personally, against the British regime.
Together with the Chinese student movement, the unions provided the formidable power base for the anti-colonial political parties, the PAP and, briefly, the Barisan.
The left-wing trade union movement bore Singapore out of colonialism into statehood, although it was not to survive it.
http://malayaganapathy.blogspot.com/2011/05/left-wing-trade-unions-in-singapore.html
Lee Kuan Yew group in the PAP used the left as a bridge to the Chinese-speaking masses; upon coming to power they quickly eradicated alternative sources of power and moulded labour into a disciplined cog in the industrial economy.
Barisan Sosialis, arguably the only genuine party of labour but lacking a clear vision for merger, was smashed by PAP-British-Alliance machinations in the creation of Malaysia.
That anglophile bastard and his betrayal of the left and labour.
That fucking bastard traitor Harry Lee Kuan Yew.
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but then prc chinamen saying people will do worse than them isdue to poor n bad upbringing.no manners.no family.....had they said this in japan or korea they would have been murdered and turned into fertiliser by yakuzas and korean gangsters.
in my first job after ns:
the indians from india are no that great either,i remebered one dude demanded my staff card from me when i had to do my job in contamination.i refused and he complained to management who were sporeans and indian dude got screwed by sporean management.he must thought i was from china and could be eaten to boost his power hungry status.
the chinese malaysians ,arent exactly angels and some wanted a piece of me on my first day at work.my supervisor and me had a fight with me over 6months...he left the section and was transferred to another place.another kinder malaysian took over his position which was heaven.the fighter supervisor was then posted overseas by company where he got into trouble at airport for an immigration offence..never prepare visa ?the lower educated operators tend to think they are gifts from gods even they are as fat as jabba the hutt and wear miniskirts that reveal their ass cheeks.
the prc chinamen,were same as the chinese malaysians in one way or the other.but i noticed when someone from china got arrested by spore police in newspaper,they tend to sabotage machines by dripping chemicals into the electrical valves and i had to go there to fix them.i found some are stuck up and have no tolerance to overseas chinese who do not speak the same pudong accent as them.and they would use criminal force to enforce that language problem in singapore.
the phillipinos are so so.they seem to be ok..some are nasty ,,,,but still ok. they never used much force like the chinamen n indians from india.but then they seem to be asking for too low salary at $2500/mth for double degree holders.
the above are mainly the people i dealt with on my first job after my national service in the army.
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In my opnion, Singaporeans english skills have declined over the years. I lived in Singapore when i was a kid and all the other kids spoke fluent english but when i returned to Singapore for a holiday....lets just say. It wasnt as fluent as when i use to lived there. It was pretty poor actually.
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Originally posted by Hedgehogix:
In my opnion, Singaporeans english skills have declined over the years. I lived in Singapore when i was a kid and all the other kids spoke fluent english but when i returned to Singapore for a holiday....lets just say. It wasnt as fluent as when i use to lived there. It was pretty poor actually.
Singlish you mean?
I think this problem of languages must be solved decisively.
Those languages that are alien and imposed artificially upon the local population must be destroyed totally.
Local and native languages should be supported, not alien or colonial languages.
Tajikistan's president has proposed banning the Russian language from being used in public institutions and official documents, a move he said would promote the development of Tajik and bolster patriotism in the country.
"The dignity of a nation is determined, above all, by how people preserve and respect their language," Emomali Rakhmon said in a televised address late on Wednesday.
http://tajikam.com/forum/index.php?topic=5302.0
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WHt the chinse guy said is true. Face it.
Calling them poor or farmers kid is not going to make it go away. World is changing and the useless ones will be eliminated. Live with it instead of whining and bitching. -
I dont know about that. i work for an international company and have dealt with collegues in Singapore and I must admit. Somtimes, I barely understood what they were trying to say. Even the air hostess english skills are poor to what their were.
Get your act together Singapore!!!!
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Originally posted by Hedgehogix:
Get your act together Singapore!!!!
At the same time, the debate on the issue of the National Language came to the fore.
It is now conceded that the left wing trade unions under Lim Chin Siong, took a decision early on in support of Malay as the national language and at the same time arguing for a reduction in the role of the English language and the elevation of the languages of the local communities, principally Chinese and Tamil.
Lim’s role in this has been acknowledged by Usman and Samad Ismail and others.
The left wing support for the use of Malay as the national language and the common lingua franca, created a strong surge of interest for the learning of Malay.
This momentum was accelerated after 1959, when widespread classes for Malay in night schools, adult education centres and private tuition was widespread and extensive...
http://s-pores.com/2008/01/Usman/
"Political and economic realities led us to choose English as our working language. 75 per cent of the population then was Chinese, speaking a range of dialects; 14 per cent Malays; and eight per cent Indians.
Making Chinese the official language of Singapore was out of the question as the 25 per cent who were non-Chinese would revolt.
http://sgforums.com/forums/3317/topics/437515
For example, in October 1965, the Chinese Chamber sought a constitutional guarantee of the status of the Chinese language as one of the official languages in the state. Lee Kuan Yew reacted swiftly by calling a meeting for the members of the various racial chambers of commerce and firmly admonished them not to raise the language issue in politics.
On the other hand, when Malay leaders suggested in 1970s for Malay language as a compulsory subject, Lee Kuan Yew rebuked them,
"If any government is mad enough to accept this proposal, it can only provoke the Chinese-educated to hostility."
http://leavis.tripod.com/1965.htm
Actually the real enemy of usage of mandarin, dialects, malay and other local languages in Singapore is none other then the anglophile bastard Harry Lee Kuan Yew.
In politics, you must know who is friend, who is foe.
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Isnt everything taught in english or did they changed that? I remembered, everything was taught in english and there were periods where students would go study their own languages. Example, the chinese would go have chinese class and the malay went off the study malay and India went off as well for couple of hours a day?
I use to go in and out of those classes cause I didnt really speak any of those language. So it was like a free periods for me.