THE priciest-ever new HDB flats went up for sale yesterday under a Design, Build and Sell Scheme (DBSS) development launched in Tampines.
The most expensive five-room flats at Centrale 8 by developer Sim Lian will set buyers back a cool $880,000.
That works out to a whopping $750 per square foot - a price tag more often seen on suburban condominiums.
PropNex chief executive Mohamed Ismail said he did a double take when he first heard about the prices.
'No doubt it's in Tampines, which is a mature estate with many good things going for it, but it is still extremely high for a public housing flat,' he said.
DBSS flats are public housing units designed and built by private-sector developers and they typically come with more luxurious fittings.
-- ST
wasn't it whipped out during MBT's era?
MBT is property price kee hor yi see..
let we die.
I don't understand some people.
Complain so much about PAP's policy, yet when election come still support them.
You tell me if there is something wrong up there.
Are you a sadist?
This is siao pricing lor.
Even that time the new flats 420+k for a 4 room in Simei I think siao liao
Originally posted by βÎτά:
I don't understand some people.
Complain so much about PAP's policy, yet when election come still support them.
You tell me if there is something wrong up there.
Are you a sadist?
mmm...
Dun be NATO. I only see you complain, bashing.. do you take time to think of suggestion and write in...
Mine got it done n settled within 1 mth..
Just as we know they're off the ground, make sure they're on the ground.
I dun support the PAP. But your makes it sounds like ur love them, so tat your have someone to bash for easily.
I only want solvers, not ranters. Let your run e place, sooner or later it's destroyed faster.
Originally posted by sbst275:
mmm...Dun be NATO. I only see you complain, bashing.. do you take time to think of suggestion and write in...
Mine got it done n settled within 1 mth..
Just as we know they're off the ground, make sure they're on the ground.
I dun support the PAP. But your makes it sounds like ur love them, so tat your have someone to bash for easily.
I only want solvers, not ranters. Let your run e place, sooner or later it's destroyed faster.
So you are the ONE?
Ai ya
BTO 4 room flat is ranging around 350k - 390k on average (House empty)
BTO 5 room flat is ranging around 405k -460k on average (House empty)
DBSS consist of Aircon, Parquet flooring, Built in wardrobe, designer sliding door, Kitchen Cabinet should be done up as well. Basically you just shift in with your barang barang. Save trouble and time on renovation.
There is this newly launched condo at Yishun selling at 800k - with 3 bedroom and 1 maidroom. i tot thats quite a good buy. but the location is very bad.
So people. give and take.. Property market gonna crash anyway.=) 2013 gonna be a good time to shop for condo..
its still below 1 million so it is affordable for 1 time buyers too
penthouse ar? with roof top garden? high ceiling....
Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):penthouse ar? with roof top garden? high ceiling....
You referring to condo? i dun think is penthouse. maybe is like a 5 room flat..
It's "affordable".
Originally posted by charlize:It's "affordable".
Well, you got to differentiate DBSS from BTO. DBSS is for the middle income earner not really meant for 1st timer.
Singapore’s Property Market Headed Towards a Perfect Storm?
Gauri Bhatia, On Monday 30 May 2011, 10:39 SGT
When a country registers a 15 percent growth rate, as Singapore did last year, there is bound to be a lot of the feel good factor going around. And Singapore's housing market is cashing in on this big time -- prices have rebounded 50 percent in just two years, according to the Urban Redevelopment Authority, and cooling measures by the government have done little to calm them.
At a recent real estate conference organized by National University of Singapore, which explored the theme "Will the boom never end," Chua Chor Hoon, Head of South East Asia Research at property consultancy DTZ, said the Singapore residential market is not likely to decline much because of strong economic growth, but she also outlined a worst-case scenario, which could unfold as early as 2013-2014. "If all the ingredients come together it will make a perfect storm."
These ingredients include falling demand, more supply and higher interest rates all kicking in together.
Interest rates in Singapore are currently at record lows because lending rates in the city-state track U.S. monetary policy. That's allowed some homebuyers to pay less than one percent in the first year of their loans, says Chua. Most analysts, however, expect interest rates to begin moving higher later this year.
Second, in 2014 an unprecedented number of housing units are expected to enter the market. According to the URA's latest quarterly report, 32,359 units will be completed over 2013 and 2014 that is 85 percent more than the 17,501 units expected over 2011 and 2012.
Add to this the fact that Singapore's price-to-rent ratio has increased from 20 in 2009, during the financial crisis, to 25 currently, according to URA and DTZ research. That means it will take 25 years for a homebuyer to recover, through rents, what he paid for the house. As a result, Chua says, people investing in this market often have a short-term view looking to "flip" the property for capital gains.
Foreign buyers are also helping boost Singapore's property market, especially at the high end. According to DTZ's latest report, foreign buyers of private homes in the first quarter of 2011 touched a record high of 16 percent. But Chua points out that this could drop, if the government further tightens immigration rules.
"Local concerns about high housing prices and the influx of foreigners that were magnified during the recent General Election will be a catalyst for the review of immigration and housing policies, which could dampen demand in the residential market in the coming months, " Chua wrote in a report.
While growth forecasts for Singapore over the next five years at 4-6 percent will support the property market says Chua, one cannot rule out another unforeseen external crisis like the financial meltdown, which could also lead to a market crash. While the bulls might find it hard to believe that something like that can happen again, another speaker at the same conference had this to say: "We always think this time it will be different, but it never is."
This article first appeared on CNBC.com on 29 May 2011.
Originally posted by CfCJ:Well, you got to differentiate DBSS from BTO. DBSS is for the middle income earner not really meant for 1st timer.
DBSS has better finishes and looks "condo-like" but to charge half a million more versus BTO is reasonable?(800K vs 300K for a 5 room flat)
Both still HDB flats leh with MOP and same HDB rules applied to them. (Correct me if I am wrong)
One could argue that she could buy a 300K BTO and then spend 100K on renovations to make the whole flat look condo like with better finishes.
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
Property bulls will never believe property prices can crash in Sg.
Property bears on the other hand, think Sg property is headed for the "perfect storm" like the article you posted.
Who is right, who is wrong?
Only time will tell.
Originally posted by charlize:DBSS has better finishes and looks "condo-like" but to charge half a million more versus BTO is reasonable?(800K vs 300K for a 5 room flat)
Both still HDB flats leh with MOP and same HDB rules applied to them. (Correct me if I am wrong)
One could argue that she could buy a 300K BTO and then spend 100K on renovations to make the whole flat look condo like with better finishes.
i think the additional amount is taking into consideration of
1) The surrounding- walking distance to amenities, Train station, Malls, bus interchange etc. Bidding price of such land confirm much higher than other area.
2) Some dbss like AMK/bishan/Toa Payoh ( i cant remember which one) they actually put a gate and requires access pass upon entering. Each household will have a biometic door. that is somewhat similar to condo
3) I can understand your point of view for the 100k renovation on HDB BTO. but bear in mind you need to fork out cash for the 100k renovation. there is no installment payment for that 100k unlike DBSS - i doubt any contractor will accept installment basis. If you are judging from time value money, that 100k is better off use as investment for shares than renovation.
However, i must agree that the price is quite steep. but again. its up to the buyer to decide. Who knows all the 5 room got sold out instantly?
Originally posted by CfCJ:
i think the additional amount is taking into consideration of1) The surrounding- walking distance to amenities, Train station, Malls, bus interchange etc. Bidding price of such land confirm much higher than other area.
2) Some dbss like AMK/bishan/Toa Payoh ( i cant remember which one) they actually put a gate and requires access pass upon entering. Each household will have a biometic door. that is somewhat similar to condo
3) I can understand your point of view for the 100k renovation on HDB BTO. but bear in mind you need to fork out cash for the 100k renovation. there is no installment payment for that 100k unlike DBSS - i doubt any contractor will accept installment basis. If you are judging from time value money, that 100k is better off use as investment for shares than renovation.
Any investment is better than any renovation.
Provided you know what to invest.
Originally posted by charlize:Property bulls will never believe property prices can crash in Sg.
Property bears on the other hand, think Sg property is headed for the "perfect storm" like the article you posted.
Who is right, who is wrong?
Only time will tell.
Maybe Khaw will prove to you that HDBs are affordable, he will announce to Singaporeans that he managed to buy a HDB for $8000.
for $800,000 u could buy a business in malaysia,china,indonesia,thailand and indonesia and still have extra spare change to buy a few yachts n cars!!!!sheeesh!!!!!!who so stupid to pay $800,000 for a roof over the head???!!!!
paying $800,000 for a HDB even if every single floor n wall is plated with gold is still too expensive!!!!
its an insult to human intelligence if u paid that kinda $$$$ for a mere house.but thats not a house...!!its an apartment only!
Originally posted by CfCJ:
i think the additional amount is taking into consideration of1) The surrounding- walking distance to amenities, Train station, Malls, bus interchange etc. Bidding price of such land confirm much higher than other area.
2) Some dbss like AMK/bishan/Toa Payoh ( i cant remember which one) they actually put a gate and requires access pass upon entering. Each household will have a biometic door. that is somewhat similar to condo
3) I can understand your point of view for the 100k renovation on HDB BTO. but bear in mind you need to fork out cash for the 100k renovation. there is no installment payment for that 100k unlike DBSS - i doubt any contractor will accept installment basis. If you are judging from time value money, that 100k is better off use as investment for shares than renovation.
u can get all of those from ebay for biometric doors or eye iris scanner id!!!its not werth $300 even!!think i last saw it as $250 for the biodoor scanner n no one wants em.
u dun need to pay even $1000 for all those gadgets at the door .dun get suckered n insult yer own intelligence by all the cheap n fancy gadgets.
Originally posted by Director Hitman:for $800,000 u could buy a business in malaysia,china,indonesia,thailand and indonesia and still have extra spare change to buy a few yachts n cars!!!!sheeesh!!!!!!who so stupid to pay $800,000 for a roof over the head???!!!!
So are you saying those condo and bungalow ppl are stupid to buy such ex roof? why not spend 150k and buy a 2 room flat and squeeze 5 ppl in it? smart what. rich ppl should live in 2 room flat la? is that wad u mean? 800k for business at overseas? pls la. Now every 1:5 singaporean are millionaire. who give a fuck abt 800k?
Originally posted by Director Hitman:paying $800,000 for a HDB even if every single floor n wall is plated with gold is still too expensive!!!!
its an insult to human intelligence if u paid that kinda $$$$ for a mere house.but thats not a house...!!its an apartment only!
You call that insult to human intelligence? if people have the money to buy why cant they buy? blame yourself for not being capable to earn that much then.
Originally posted by Director Hitman:u can get all of those from ebay for biometric doors or eye iris scanner id!!!its not werth $300 even!!think i last saw it as $250 for the biodoor scanner n no one wants em.
u dun need to pay even $1000 for all those gadgets at the door .dun get suckered n insult yer own intelligence by all the cheap n fancy gadgets.
I talk about the Biometric that is similar to the condo device. I talk about the MAIN GATE which restrict public from stepping in. which gives you more privacy. u look at DUXTON. is it fucking worth 400k back in those days where BTO 4 room flat is 150k?