Heroes and villains
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I can't find my heels, will this do?Originally posted by monoslayer:tats y female r not suppose to b leader!
*run away b4 someone throw her heels*
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ROFL.Originally posted by littlestream:I can't find my heels, will this do?
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Never offend women
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Originally posted by laurence82:Never offend women
It's more a respect for every individual than a gender thingy.
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cont with discussion
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One female heroine
Hua, Mu-Lan (or Mulan)
China's most famous woman warrior lived and fought in the fifth century AD. Her father was conscripted to go to war, but he was too sick to fight, so Hua Mu-Lan offered to go in his place. Her father rejected the offer, but she insisted. She suggested they have a sword fight and if she won, she'd go. Mu-Lan won the fight.
She cut her hair, put on her father's armor and joined the emperor's troops using her father's name. For over ten years, she fought as a man without her true identity being discovered. Her bravery at the front lines and extraordinary fighting skill so impressed her general that he offered this soldier his daughter's hand in marriage. Somehow, the marriage never took place and Mu-Lan returned home and became herself again. A play written in her honor, the Mu-Lan Play ends with the following lines:
She had much fighting ability, and could act the leader. Her body passed through one hundred battles, always at the front, and compared to the fiercest soldiers, she was still better. -
Empress Wu Zetian
Tang Dynasty China (625-705 AD)
In order to challenge Confucian beliefs against rule by women, Wu began a campaign to elevate the position of women. She had scholars write biographies of famous women, and raised the position of her mother's clan by giving her relatives high political posts. She moved her court away from the seat of traditional male power and tried to establish a new dynasty. She said that the ideal ruler was one who ruled like a mother does over her children. -
maternalism!Originally posted by vince69:Empress Wu Zetian
Tang Dynasty China (625-705 AD)
In order to challenge Confucian beliefs against rule by women, Wu began a campaign to elevate the position of women. She had scholars write biographies of famous women, and raised the position of her mother's clan by giving her relatives high political posts. She moved her court away from the seat of traditional male power and tried to establish a new dynasty. She said that the ideal ruler was one who ruled like a mother does over her children.
anyway, yah, her idea would good, too bad, like most male dominated societies, her ideas will be poohed poohed in no time -
on first look, I recognized the first two. I thought you made a typo on Su Wu, shouldn't it be Sun Wu?Originally posted by laurence82:question of whether hero or not is not up to me wor
Ti Ying symbolises filial piety when she defended her father against wrongful accusations before Emperor Han Wen Di
Liang Hong Yu defended Da Song against the Jurchens
Su Wu was captured by the XiongNu, but retained his loyalty to Han and Emperor Wu Di all the way
After reading the above description, I remember him. I always associate him with his emissary staff! -
Actually Yue Fei is overrated. Other than his defiance of the golden tallies, is he really more special than the rest?Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, seems a lot of people dont know a lot of the heroes and villains in Chinese history
Come come, lets talk about your favourite hero or villain
I start with a hero
Yue Fei
There were other generals who fought again the barbarians.
Li Mu (Warring States period)
Huo Qubing (Han Dynasty, I always find his name very funny/special)
Di Qing (Northern Song, his mask .. very cool!) -
since we are talking about heroes, I have a lyrics for everyone.
who can tell me from which drama?
Enjoy!
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Su WuOriginally posted by Icemoon:on first look, I recognized the first two. I thought you made a typo on Su Wu, shouldn't it be Sun Wu?
After reading the above description, I remember him. I always associate him with his emissary staff!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_Wu -
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Actually, Yue Fei did not defiance the 12 golden tallies, he was being setup.Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually Yue Fei is overrated. Other than his defiance of the golden tallies, is he really more special than the rest?
There were other generals who fought again the barbarians.
Li Mu (Warring States period)
Huo Qubing (Han Dynasty, I always find his name very funny/special)
Di Qing (Northern Song, his mask .. very cool!)
these golden tallies was sent out one after another with such a shart interval between them, that there is no way Yue Fei can reach the palace before all 12 was sent out.
remember there is no airmail or DHL back then, and it may take days for the first one to reach the front lines from the palace. -
wah .. then Yue Fei is just like any normal chinese hero mah. Meaning the 12 tallies can be seen as 1 tally and he obeyed the 1 tally?Originally posted by vince69:Actually, Yue Fei did not defiance the 12 golden tallies, he was being setup.
these golden tallies was sent out one after another with such a shart interval between them, that there is no way Yue Fei can reach the palace before all 12 was sent out.
remember there is no airmail or DHL back then, and it may take days for the first one to reach the front lines from the palace.
really overrated lah. if his mum never carve those words on his back, you think he so famous meh? -
Liu Bei is a hero?Originally posted by d3rF:
Don't think so. What did he do for the people? I think he fought more for personal gains. -
Zhuge Liang , my all time fav
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[quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu_Yuan]Qu Yuan[/quote]
Qu Yuan was a minister in the government of the state of Chu, descended of nobility and a champion of political loyalty and truth eager to maintain the Chu state's sovereignty. Qu Yuan advocated a policy of alliance with the other kingdoms of the period against the hegemonic state of Qin, which threatened to dominate them all. The Chu king, however, fell under the influence of other corrupt, jealous ministers who slandered Qu Yuan, and banished his most loyal counselor. It is said that Qu Yuan returned first to his family's home town. In his exile, he spent much of this time collecting legends and rearranging folk odes while travelling the countryside, producing some of the greatest poetry in Chinese literature while expressing his fervent love for his state and his deepest concern for its future. -
Another overrated hero. Without the dragon boat festival, you think he will be so famous?Originally posted by vince69:[quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu_Yuan]Qu Yuan[/quote]
Qu Yuan was a minister in the government of the state of Chu, descended of nobility and a champion of political loyalty and truth eager to maintain the Chu state's sovereignty. Qu Yuan advocated a policy of alliance with the other kingdoms of the period against the hegemonic state of Qin, which threatened to dominate them all. The Chu king, however, fell under the influence of other corrupt, jealous ministers who slandered Qu Yuan, and banished his most loyal counselor. It is said that Qu Yuan returned first to his family's home town. In his exile, he spent much of this time collecting legends and rearranging folk odes while travelling the countryside, producing some of the greatest poetry in Chinese literature while expressing his fervent love for his state and his deepest concern for its future.
But then, his literary achievement seems to be underrated, oh well .. -
yah lor, instead of commiting suicide, he could have gone underground and start a resistance force to counter the invaders.Originally posted by Icemoon:Another overrated hero. Without the dragon boat festival, you think he will be so famous?
But then, his literary achievement seems to be underrated, oh well ..
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ya .. isn't suicide for cowards?Originally posted by vince69:yah lor, instead of commiting suicide, he could have gone underground and start a resistance force to counter the invaders.
