DW Group & EastWing Group - My Experience
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best account i have read so far. i would like to see how the DW people defend themselves from now on.Originally posted by Crazy_Horses:I was in DW. stuck AE and SO for so long. But belief was strong. Blessing in disguise it may be. It came to my horror that they start to change the pay scheme in 2005 after 2 1/2 yrs. Starting 2005 managers and asst jvd cant earn supervisor and manager allowance if sales do not meet 2.5k in a month. No black and white. No one sign agreement. No manager objected (to my disappointment). I guess no JVD fought for the rights of their manager since everyone agrees at that. I was still able to save my supervisor allowance because i was still supervisor. I didnt have the chance to object as i wasnt included in all these management meetings. My friend got promoted to manager in december then jan onwards he never tasted supervisor and manager allowance because he was always put as presenter, never got the chance to build a group.
People are like zombies in there. No one dares to go against joey tan or wilson tan or whatever he decides his name would be. Because everyone was made to believe. Now that i'm out, it all seems very clear. My own jvd sent and appeal to defer reservist, Fat Larry there jots down his application as "Full Time Sales Assistant". What a joke, there you are, people think highly of u as so-called director, but in the outside world, you are full time sales assistant. Open Yellow pages and you'll see only 2 units registered, DW Group (Biomagnetism) Pte Ltd, and Dw Turf Holdings Pte Ltd. Therefore only these 2 would have Pte Ltd Liabilities.
Late night stupid meetings and talks, you wont think it's stupid when you are in there. But when you see the real world, you start to see the picture very well. Car Incentive? My friend threw in so much money, close to 60k sales. One month he missed car incentive by a few hundred and he miss for good. One jvd spilled out to me that car incentive is only downpayment, the rest you settle yourself. Call up an auto car company, you'll find out 1st downpayment for car is negotiable, not worth your 5-digit sales effort.
To any DW sales people who might read this, welcome to Singapore. you need Singapore Quality Class label or at least people developer award here for people to believe the product is good. you based your convincing one one pathetic ISO from japan/china and uk accredition and sell single set at $2380? its a crazy figure. Singapore known worldwide for its quality management. Dont u think its better joey invest in earning quality status for his product or get new products rather than his ferrari, which he doesnt drive and park beside the rubbish dump? Its a time u want to pick up your business but u buy ferrari instead. One complete internal audit will bring DW down, they lack a lot of black and white. There is no black and white even to say that your pay is so and so much of your turnover. They don't even register their managers as managers in their own staff records, if the definition of JVD in fat larry's records is full time sales asst. Getting Listed is more than just 10mil performance in one year, you need good records and clearance from public accountant.
This is all i'll say here, now all that im angered of have been put on this page and i will leave it here and not be thinking of the past anymore. It was just a bad and stupid experience, can't change the past. I was once company MC for their seminars, if those who wonder who i am. The day i quit was the day i hosted the seminar, at capital tower where imperial hit top unit. Best Wishes to all, be it you are in DW, or ex DW or just a curious person reading this. It is just my true account. Thats all -
Well said.. i should say i'm very very disappointed with them... We put in our heart and soul... we put in our trust, however, it turned out that only money matters most to them; only sales matters most to them.. At the end of the day, u'll discover that they only put on a mask to face you....Originally posted by Crazy_Horses:I was in DW. stuck AE and SO for so long. But belief was strong. Blessing in disguise it may be. It came to my horror that they start to change the pay scheme in 2005 after 2 1/2 yrs. Starting 2005 managers and asst jvd cant earn supervisor and manager allowance if sales do not meet 2.5k in a month. No black and white. No one sign agreement. No manager objected (to my disappointment). I guess no JVD fought for the rights of their manager since everyone agrees at that. I was still able to save my supervisor allowance because i was still supervisor. I didnt have the chance to object as i wasnt included in all these management meetings. My friend got promoted to manager in december then jan onwards he never tasted supervisor and manager allowance because he was always put as presenter, never got the chance to build a group.
People are like zombies in there. No one dares to go against joey tan or wilson tan or whatever he decides his name would be. Because everyone was made to believe. Now that i'm out, it all seems very clear. My own jvd sent and appeal to defer reservist, Fat Larry there jots down his application as "Full Time Sales Assistant". What a joke, there you are, people think highly of u as so-called director, but in the outside world, you are full time sales assistant. Open Yellow pages and you'll see only 2 units registered, DW Group (Biomagnetism) Pte Ltd, and Dw Turf Holdings Pte Ltd. Therefore only these 2 would have Pte Ltd Liabilities.
Late night stupid meetings and talks, you wont think it's stupid when you are in there. But when you see the real world, you start to see the picture very well. Car Incentive? My friend threw in so much money, close to 60k sales. One month he missed car incentive by a few hundred and he miss for good. One jvd spilled out to me that car incentive is only downpayment, the rest you settle yourself. Call up an auto car company, you'll find out 1st downpayment for car is negotiable, not worth your 5-digit sales effort.
To any DW sales people who might read this, welcome to Singapore. you need Singapore Quality Class label or at least people developer award here for people to believe the product is good. you based your convincing one one pathetic ISO from japan/china and uk accredition and sell single set at $2380? its a crazy figure. Singapore known worldwide for its quality management. Dont u think its better joey invest in earning quality status for his product or get new products rather than his ferrari, which he doesnt drive and park beside the rubbish dump? Its a time u want to pick up your business but u buy ferrari instead. One complete internal audit will bring DW down, they lack a lot of black and white. There is no black and white even to say that your pay is so and so much of your turnover. They don't even register their managers as managers in their own staff records, if the definition of JVD in fat larry's records is full time sales asst. Getting Listed is more than just 10mil performance in one year, you need good records and clearance from public accountant.
This is all i'll say here, now all that im angered of have been put on this page and i will leave it here and not be thinking of the past anymore. It was just a bad and stupid experience, can't change the past. I was once company MC for their seminars, if those who wonder who i am. The day i quit was the day i hosted the seminar, at capital tower where imperial hit top unit. Best Wishes to all, be it you are in DW, or ex DW or just a curious person reading this. It is just my true account. Thats all
I'm filled with anger and disappointment about DW... too many youngsters hold on to the belief and stayed in that company, but they DESTROYED their dreams.................................... -
See how DW people defend themselves from now on? They've been the subject of insults, critisism, flaming, attacks etc for so long and they're still alive and kicking. You gotta give credit for that. Will YOU be able to take all this? I'm not siding, my point is DW has a share of good and bad points. In life, often only bad points are mentioned. Look at life from all angles
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My fren in Yishun, told me DW people has been going from door to door liao.
He was just visited last week or so.... -
Wa lau, are you serious? Why down-grade themselves?Originally posted by laurence82:My fren in Yishun, told me DW people has been going from door to door liao.
He was just visited last week or so....
Hahahahahahaha...
Stupid Sukers, Who will buy their OVER-PRICED Matress on the spot!!! -
hahaha
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Whats wrong with door to door sales? But then, it can also mean people are no longer going to them.Originally posted by MLM Victim:Wa lau, are you serious? Why down-grade themselves?
Hahahahahahaha...
Stupid Sukers, Who will buy their OVER-PRICED Matress on the spot!!!
When the mountain cannot come to Mohammed, Mohammed must go to the mountain. -
Heard that DW close down alot of Holding .. wat happen ??
i still think that magnetic bed cant last in singapore ...
isit ???
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DW is a company to cheat everyone..
When they recuit ppl, they come for interview.. they staff they try to make friend with them.. cos they wan them to join them and help them earn money...
they say until the company until very good here and there but actually not good...
say what shit.. can earn alot in the company.. what given a car by their boss..
all are shit.. yes get car.. but have to pay for something wan ba..
there is no such thing is free lor..
say what earn 1500+++ or more... all bullshit..
The staff there, no money also will say they have money.. so cham
got sale then have pay... no sale then no pay..
mean in 1 month your group dont have sale.. mean your pay is $0
this DW ppl all very smart to cheat ppl join their trip..
no wonder alot of holding have close down..
even some director have quite DW..
those director or ED who still working in DW they waiting for DW to CLOSE DOWN... cos they with DW very long and dont feel to leave the company hahahaha lol....
those ppl when join that company.. they will ask them to make appointment with their relative.. to close them ask them to buy the product..
b4 go for appointment they will ask them.. how your auntie is.. what kind of person is she.. house got who.. got child or not..
they try to be friend with them.. but actually they are add to be close to them.. cos they wan them to help earn money ma...
say about fighting for the cert.. What have to fight 10k above.. u will get a cert.. OH MY GOD!! what for fight for a cert?? they even cant earn ask much as a cert.. the cert is just like a toilet paper.. is only use in DW not for other company.. paste in the DW wall for ppl to see.. anyway, those cert i dont even care about.. all are toilet paper..
wow fight $10Kabove.. and they just earn $3000.. very stupid.. hahaha lol
say about badge..
they fight so hard get a badge for dirctor and end up also must give back
ppl there think the very smart with that badge... but all nothing..
anyway now just sit and wait to see DW close down... hahahahah lol
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i went to de seminar todae.. for de sake of my frens ..
there are onli total of 12 holdings left .. one of it is new one ...
& total of 4 Executive Directors .. include a new one ...
managing n admin director still de same ...
Mr Andy Chee promoted to Executive Director
Mr Elvis promoted JVD branch out Royal Magnius from Magnius
Mr Wong took over Turf Holding ...
Ms Shane n took over Turf Prestige ...
Mr Richard finally start his own office Turf Elise ...
Remaining Holding
Giant Holding
Turf Holding
Magstorm Holding
LW Holding
Giant Imperial
Turf Prestige
Turf Elise
Turf Pillar
Magnius
Royal Magnius
Honor
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So de_gerl ur friend from which holdings?
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my fren from magstorm holding ~
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Tell u nv nv join DW group. the product maybe gd but the company can't be trusted.
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hais hais.....
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I was from KCG back in early 2003.
Left within a week there. I found their method of selling extremely appalling...
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but if your company have indeed done unethical stuff, u are not even defending them, does it matter whether the info is obsolete or not..Originally posted by specimen_76:why nowadays people got nothing better to do or gonna retrench?
Why so free to gossip on net?
I only come in here few month ago.
by commentting so much you very contented. Think is jus too evil of you to continue a topic when is a long long time ago things. Pls get updated! Dun be hanging on an old topic like an old auntie. -
can u may. pls write.Originally posted by vulpes macrotis mutica:I was from KCG back in early 2003.
Left within a week there. I found their method of selling extremely appalling...
I can write my story here if anyone of you are interested. -
Sorry, it's going to be lengthy. Do bare with me
If i didn't recall wrongly, it was around Feb 2003 when I was around Orchard MRT waiting for my friend to arrive. Got approached by some guy doing a survey for a new start up company looking for staff. I do recall him asking about my future ambitions and saying that they have many posts like admin and IT. I thought that was the last I saw of him, until one month later he called me and asked me if I was free and if I'd like to go over to their office for an interview.
So I went down to Apex Tower for an interview. I do remember waiting quite long for my turn because there were several other people there as well. Prior to the interview, I was taken around the building to their different offices and, yes, to their garage. They also showed me the wall whereby they have all the achievements of the staffs, like top sales for the month ending Jan, etc. My first impression of the office was pretty lively - it was pretty bright and dynamic. The other offices pales a lot in comparison to the KCG office. Perhaps it was the painting.
Anyway, I found the idea of those achievements on the wall pretty dumb. First off, it's not as if it's some kind of recognised award or something mind you, it was just a piece of paper on the office wall where nobody else except the people who work there will see, so what hang those eye sores all over the wall? Also, I found the cars in the garage in pretty shabby conditions. It's not as if they're gleaming and shiny new cars - they look more like 4 years old or 2nd hand cars. Of cause, I didn't really say anything and just smiled when they showed me all those stuff.
I didn't get my interview until almost 2 to 3 hours later. In the meantime, I was shone a presentation and an ancient documentary from TV 12. The tape was in such bad condition that I couldn't really watch anything, so the remaining 2 hours was spent sitting around doing nothing...
The interview was pretty smooth, with Kelvin trying to strike at obvious similarities between the two of us, like religion and family, and doing some business outlook calculations akin to counting your chickens before the eggs hatch. Since it was the holidays and I had nothing better to do, I decided to agree working for fun. Anyway, there wasn't a contractual agreement or anything to sign. I only remember filling a form with my particulars. I recalled them asking if I had any questions and I said no. Then Kelvin mentioned not even the pay, and I said no as well. Then he and the person who surveyed me gawked at each other and ushered me out. Thinking about it now, I supposed they didn't plan to pay me.
The next day, I, and a few others, was given several sheets of paper to list down the names and contacts of my relatives and friends, label our relationship between hot, warm or cold, and attended some kind of a training session (which amazingly took less than an hour) in their already crammed pantry room. The training was conducted by Geoff, and I recall him mentioning the convince, confuse, control and con theory. Also throughout my stay there, they kept reiterating the fact that sales is the toughest job in the world. Perhaps so for bad salespeople. I also recall them promoting competition within the workplace, which contributes largely to the amount of politics in the office.
A typical day at work would be going to the office at 9AM, spend the day making appointments and going out to meet the appointments, debriefing at the end of the day and sitting in the kopi-tiam (which will leave a thick oily smell on your clothes) beside the garage chit chatting. I believe that most, if not all, of the people at KCG smokes. And everyday, I'd see new people sitting outside Kelvin's office waiting to be interviewed, given sheets of paper for contacts and more new faces making phone calls everyday.
Anyway, immediately after the meeting, the group of us, now full-fledged professionals after an hour's training, were told to start making appointments. I can vividly recall that almost everyone I spoke to at the office talking about raising awareness, and closing the sales wasn't as important as raising awareness. I found out the opposite after my first appointment.
My first appointment was with a female friend of mine. I remember the person going along with me to do the sales, I can't remember his name but let's call him Joe, telling me how to choose strategic places in order to "trap" a prospect in place. Joe chose a corner seat inside on of the eateries at Far East with my friend sitting in the corner, with myself sitting next to her and Joe sitting opposite us. Then Joe would wait around outside for my friend to meet up with me first, and I would be supposed to tell this friend of mine that Joe was a busy man and was doing some customer service in the area and would be arriving in 14 minutes time. Truth was Joe was just somewhere outside the eatery watching me build rapport with my friend.
Anyway, Joe came in soon enough and went through the presentation. Long story short, Joe asked me friend if she agreed with the product and she said yes. Joe promptly took out a purchase order slip, wrote down something and asked her to sign it. I was stunned, as was my friend. Joe spent the next 30 minutes trying to get her to sign and I didn't say a word at all. Fact was I felt extremely betrayed by Joe. I can still remember Joe kicking me under the table to get me to convince my friend to sign but I just glared at him. True enough, Joe failed to convince my friend and he tried to confuse her. It didn't work so he tried to control her by using her words against her. In the end, I broke up the entire thing because my friend had to work and was already late. I was totally embarrassed.
Joe was angry of cause, and he asked me when I kept quiet. I rebutted by saying that the main goal was to rise awareness, and that was not the way to do so. And in true salesman form, he retorted what's the point of meeting and using so much time when we never close a sale. I spent the rest of the day at the office hearing the same thing both Kelvin and Calvin. Of cause, I had other plans, but I've already made up my mind by then to leave. I really didn't need the money anyway.
Even before I was allowed to leave, they put me through a barrage of talks on successful people don't give up so easily and such things. But heck, I just nodded my head and said I've made up my mind. Anyway, before I left Christine (if I didn't remember wrongly, the ITE girl?) went out with me and she told me not to give up so easily in life.
With that, she went to the staircase to smoke.
Strangely, after many months I've left DW KCG, Christine called me and asked me for one referral saying she needs one last sales to meet target and get promotion. I said no and that's the last I've heard of them.
I hope this does not come across as flaming post, and more of a neutral one for readers to decide whether or not they should engage in such activities. -
By the way, some of you may find this link of interest.
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Indeed u r luck that abt ur very last no to them.Originally posted by vulpes macrotis mutica:By the way, some of you may find this link of interest. -
I went for an interview there early this year... Didn't join cos I found it fishy... Luckily...
Went there and even before the actual interview, this guy (he claimed he was 17, but he didn't look it) brought me around the whole office (they have 3 floors, if I remember correctly)... Showed me alot of pictures of cars and stuff... Tried to be friendly... I found it quite wierd cos as far as I know, interviews aren't supposed to be like that...
Then after that I went for the actual "interview". It lasted about 1 minute. Basically he asked if I would consider a sales position (I applied for admin), and asked me to come for a second interview the next day...
So I went the next day, and instead of an interview, I ended up in a training / get-to-know-each-other session. During the break, I went up to the presenter and asked why I was there because I was told to come for an interview, not a training session. He said I was going to be a sales person. So I asked if I had to sign a contract or anything, and he said no.
I left at that point, cos I that wasn't the way an interview leading to a proper job was supposed to be...
Just wanted to put this down cos I think most younger people join when they're fresh out of school so they don't know what the interview process is supposed to be like... -
Was it the guy with the spiky hair or the one with center parting and slightly dyed?Originally posted by cimorene:I went for an interview there early this year... Didn't join cos I found it fishy... Luckily...
Went there and even before the actual interview, this guy (he claimed he was 17, but he didn't look it) brought me around the whole office (they have 3 floors, if I remember correctly)... Showed me alot of pictures of cars and stuff... Tried to be friendly... I found it quite wierd cos as far as I know, interviews aren't supposed to be like that...
Then after that I went for the actual "interview". It lasted about 1 minute. Basically he asked if I would consider a sales position (I applied for admin), and asked me to come for a second interview the next day...
So I went the next day, and instead of an interview, I ended up in a training / get-to-know-each-other session. During the break, I went up to the presenter and asked why I was there because I was told to come for an interview, not a training session. He said I was going to be a sales person. So I asked if I had to sign a contract or anything, and he said no.
I left at that point, cos I that wasn't the way an interview leading to a proper job was supposed to be...
Just wanted to put this down cos I think most younger people join when they're fresh out of school so they don't know what the interview process is supposed to be like... -
wah that wong guy took over turf den what happen to that desmond?
they still owe me $$$ esp that china crow...a fat ugly bitch.. den pretend not to know...until now. i think 3 years liao
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