Corporal (CPL) Dave Teo Ming
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i open gate for uOriginally posted by chanjyj:I was planning on driving my Leo out
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your plan works. now its time to mastermind something bigger.Originally posted by wuming78:i remember i used to joke to my frens about the camp security that we can smuggle weapons out by unassembling them and keeping the parts in a bag and just walking / driving out with the bag.
guess that isnt exactly a joke now... -
all NSFs are also barred from going to cineleisure? thats bo liao
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Then all regulars will be barred from going for KTV?Originally posted by martin_lim85:all NSFs are also barred from going to cineleisure? thats bo liao
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why do i need F16 when i have gundams?Originally posted by Ponders:ya man. heard Gordy wanted to "borrow" a F-16 for few hours. -
even you don't open. i think the leo can open the gate.... permanentlyOriginally posted by alvin-ncs:i open gate for u -
wtf. are you serious? and no one has like made noise?Originally posted by Gordonator:yes all RPs are more on the ball now. must check bags of all personals booking out of camp to ensure that except for range and excercise, they do not bring out their rifle and rounds which they are not supposed to, .
all NSFs are also barred from going to cineleisure.
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Sep 17, 2007
Extensive review of SAF camp security triggered by missing NSF
ALL Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) camps have been checked to ensure camp security is adequate, Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean said in Parliament on Monday.
Mr Teo took questions from two MPs who wanted to know how full-time National Serviceman, Corporal Dave Teo Ming, got out of his army camp carrying a SAR-21 assault rifle and ammunition. His disappearance while on guard duty on Sept 2 at Mandai Hill Camp triggered a 20-hour islandwide manhunt that ended with Teo's arrest the next day at Orchard Cineleisure shopping mall.
According to the minister, Teo is believed to have left the camp premises by climbing down from the second floor of his guardroom. There is a 3-metre drop from the concrete parapet outside the second floor of the guardroom to the public carpark outside his camp.
The windows on the second storey of the two-storey guardroom have since been secured with aluminium grilles.
Mr Teo said the incident involving Teo, which is now before the Courts, resulted in a thorough review of the incident by a High Board of Inquiry to assess how it could have taken place.
This was complemented by a a security review of SAF military installations to plug weaknesses in the design of existing camps to ensure military personnel cannot sneak out.
The SAF also reviewed current procedures that govern how arms and ammunition are handled by SAF personnel.
Teo faces three charges: for carrying a firearm in the Orchard Cineleisure toilet where he was arrested, unlawfully possessing eight rounds of rifle ammunition, and possession of a 40cm knife in public in April. -
A more detailed look at what went wrong..
Three lapses in the SAF's systems and procedures have been identified (from the CNA article)
1. Implementation and supervision of guard room procedures at Mandai Hill Camp on that night when Corporal Teo slipped out.
- Guards on patrol duties are also required to make situational reporting to the guard room at half-hour intervals but these were not enforced properly or Corporal Teo's absence would have been detected earlier.
2. There was a flaw in the physical construction of Mandai Hill Camp that enabled him to escape without being detected.
- Investigations showed that Corporal Teo did not leave by the camp gates but absconded by jumping the far corner of the second-floor parapet of the Guard Room onto the carpark outside the camp premises, which was out of the visual scope of the other guards.
3. Mismanagement of the post-incident reporting procedures which require quick reporting of all serious incidents including missing arms and ammunition.
- For serious security incidents such as those involving missing arms and ammunition, the unit's Duty Operations Officer is required to report the incident to the Army's General Staff Operations Centre within 30 minutes.
However, in this case, Corporal Teo, together with his firearm and ammunition, was only discovered missing by the Guard Commander at 11.59pm on 2 Sept but the Army's General Staff Operations Centre was only informed of this incident at 3am the next day.
The Military Police were alerted at 3.30am and when their preliminary investigations showed that the missing firearm and ammunition were no longer on the camp premises, the Police were contacted at 5.45am.
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Full Article below
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/300336/1/.html
The turnaround timing for reporting to GSOC should not have been published, IMHO. -
Originally posted by Ponders:even you don't open. i think the leo can open the gate.... permanently
I'm heading to Changi Airbase tomorrow; going to look at the security firsthand for myself. -
wtf...got link one meh...?Originally posted by Gordonator:yes all RPs are more on the ball now. must check bags of all personals booking out of camp to ensure that except for range and excercise, they do not bring out their rifle and rounds which they are not supposed to, .
all NSFs are also barred from going to cineleisure.
....dave teo is dave teo others is others....y link the two entity together... -
Minister Teo stressed that concrete action by MINDEF and the SAF have been taken to rectify the three lapses.
WHEN can the government ever stop deceiving themselves and the public?
He added that following this incident, the SAF has audited and reviewed the camp guard security of all SAF camps to determine if such non-compliance of orders or procedures exists in other camps.
However, Mr Teo said that the audit revealed that this was a problem
localised to this unit.
Everything it is just to make themselves feel better.
Ain't all new camps a rough copy of each other? The design of the guard room in mandai hill camp is pretty much the same as many other newer camps. -
This one you can die trying.Originally posted by chanjyj:
I'm heading to Changi Airbase tomorrow; going to look at the security firsthand for myself.
The camp is guarded by the fearsome Cisco.
Not a disgruntled FDS Sqn pte. -
This guy should have left the country the moment he took a step outside the camp. He clearly undermined the police.
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http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/pdf/20070918/7071596%20-%2018_09_2007%20-%2000.50.50%20-%2018newsdeskinfographics.pdf
The fact that he is rostered for 4 hour shift is interesting.
And the part that he is allegedly in the huards resting room while doing prowling too. -
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/STIStory_158690.html
Awol corporal triggers major review of SAF camp security
Defence Minister says the recent incident is a localised one; most camps comply with procedures.
By David Boey
ALL Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) camps have been checked to ensure camp security is adequate, following the incident involving an Awol corporal who walked out of a camp with a rifle and ammunition, Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean said in Parliament on Monday.
An audit found that all SAF camps comply with the relevant orders and procedures, and the recent incident is a problem localised to Corporal Dave Teo Ming's unit, said Mr Teo.
"Nonetheless, the SAF has stepped up the frequency of security audits of all SAF camps to ensure compliance with stipulated camp guard procedures," he added.
The Minister took questions from two MPs who wanted to know how Teo, a full-time National Serviceman, got out of his army camp carrying a SAR-21 assault rifle and ammunition. His disappearance while on guard duty on Sept 2 at Mandai Hill Camp triggered a 20-hour island-wide manhunt that ended with Teo's arrest the next day at Orchard Cineleisure shopping mall.
The minister said Teo absconded by jumping off from the second floor of his guard room onto the car park outside his camp.
He said said the criminal case involving Teo, which is now before the courts, led to a thorough review of the incident by a High Board of Inquiry to assess how it could have taken place.
This was complemented by a a security review of SAF military installations to plug weaknesses in the design of existing camps to ensure military personnel cannot sneak out.
The SAF also reviewed current procedures that govern how arms and ammunition are handled by SAF personnel.
Teo faces three charges: for carrying a firearm in the Orchard Cineleisure toilet where he was arrested, unlawfully possessing eight rounds of rifle ammunition, and possession of a 40cm knife in public in April.
The Minister said the inquiry board concluded that although the SAF's systems and procedures were generally adequate, there were three lapses that led to the Cpl Teo incident.
These were:
-Weaknesses in the implementation and supervision of Guard Room procedures at Mandai Hill Camp that night.
-Weaknesses in the physical construction of Mandai Hill Camp also enabled CPL Teo to slip out without being detected.
-There was non-compliance with reporting procedures which require the quick reporting of all serious incidents, such as those involving missing arms and ammunition.
Read the full report in Tuesday's edition of The Straits Times -
I heard from the news last night that out of the 8 bullets, 5 were issue to him for his guard duty. The other 3 bullets were taken from a live firing exercise on the week before his guard duty.
More people are going to get hit soon. -
My hunch was right: He didn't exactly climb "over the wall", but nonetheless it was done stealthily. Still, it was a Sunday night when everybody should be booking in, so no eyewitnesses?
Note that, while he was discovered missing at 2359, it didn't mean he only deserted then. The duty prowlers were on their own since 8pm, & his detail seemingly didn't report back to the guard commander every 30 minutes (supposedly their SOP). Earlier this month, ST had quoted his friend, a Bocky Tan, as saying Teo "called him at about 10pm, just before he went AWOL, and asked if he could stay over that night as he had quarrelled with his family. Mr Tan turned him down." -
i was thinking....
he was taken down wearing a jacket and tie at cineleisure..
given his dressing. I was wondering if he was preparing to commit suicide after doing what he planned to do with his rifle.
plus, note that his jacket and tie was a uniform he got while working previously.
He did not go home after AWOL, means he brought this set of clothes to camp. -
IMO Too much conflicting public info to ascertain whatever his plans was, for now. Sure looks like he had something in mind, though.
When the news broke, CNA TV & then its tabloid reported a Thai woman had earlier booked the Geylang hotel room Teo would spend the early hours on Monday morning in. But ST reported that Teo had booked it himself "for 4 nights -- starting last Friday." They later clarified that it was done "in the name of a Thai woman -- although Teo signed for the room keys & paid the $30 per night room rate. It is believed that the Thai woman, who signed in as 'Kanjama' in the hotel records, has also been picked up by police."
Funny design, today's guardrooms (two-storey buildings). Is the escape route illustrated in the pix correct? Viewed literally, it means the ground-floor door opens OUTSIDE of the camp. If so, how to securely turn out the guards? Or is it meant to imply that the other side of the building (hidden in the picture) also has the same window ledge?
Hmm, what's with the 4-hour shifts? That means, with 12 guards & two pairs always on duty (sentry & prowler), the others get to rest for EIGHT hours. Granted, it was a Sunday, but that's a very long rest period.
Methinks the duty DO may also be charged, but will probably kena only a reprimand or a fine. -
Sunday night, but the camp is ORD-ing, so i guess not many people are booking in.Originally posted by blitzonic:My hunch was right: He didn't exactly climb "over the wall", but nonetheless it was done stealthily. Still, it was a Sunday night when everybody should be booking in, so no eyewitnesses?
Note that, while he was discovered missing at 2359, it didn't mean he only deserted then. The duty prowlers were on their own since 8pm, & his detail seemingly didn't report back to the guard commander every 30 minutes (supposedly their SOP). Earlier this month, ST had quoted his friend, a Bocky Tan, as saying Teo "called him at about 10pm, just before he went AWOL, and asked if he could stay over that night as he had quarrelled with his family. Mr Tan turned him down."
I would say he jumped out before the "wave" of booking-in personnel start streaming. Given it's towards ORD time, ppl booking in would be nearer to 2230 and later.
Report said he disassembled the SAR 21 and put into a field pack. NO way it can be done with the old field pack. So he should be using the new field pack.
HE must have wrapped the rifle with towel and bedsheets to dampen the sound while jumping from 2nd floor.
Regardless, the guard comd must have been busy playing his PSP or sleeping in Spec Mess or back in Bunk playing PS3. Somebody jumping from 2nd floor, no way you can do that soundless. -
4 hour shifts happen when BDO, BOS or even the guard comd want welfare for the soldiers.Originally posted by blitzonic:Hmm, what's with the 4-hour shifts? That means, with 12 guards & two pairs always on duty (sentry & prowler), the others get to rest for EIGHT hours. Granted, it was a Sunday, but that's a very long rest period.
Methinks the duty DO may also be charged, but will probably kena only a reprimand or a fine.
the Normal 2-4-2 duty shifts usually happen on weekdays, the 4-8-4 on Sundays and public holidays.
I am not even sure if this is camp-sanctioned. Sometimes camp allows this when there is severe personnel shortage (enough people for only 2 sets of guards) so 4-4-4.
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I would say he jumped out before the "wave" of booking-in personnel start streaming. Given it's towards ORD time, ppl booking in would be nearer to 2230 and later.
Isn't it SOP for every SAF guardroom to conduct, oh what's it called, you know the formal parade every 10pm? Where all the duty COS's must also physically report, & the duty DO & BOS come down to inspect?
If so, then the gate entrance would be usually crowded between 9:45 to 10:15 too, with the parade inside & those waiting to book in outside. -
aiyah.. all slack la.... many specs were going to ord soon...and also the battalion....Originally posted by blitzonic:Isn't it SOP for every SAF guardroom to conduct, oh what's it called, you know the formal parade every 10pm? Where all the duty COS's must also physically report, & the duty DO & BOS come down to inspect?
If so, then the gate entrance would be usually crowded between 9:45 to 10:15 too, with the parade inside & those waiting to book in outside. -
SINGAPORE: Three lapses in the SAF’s systems and procedures have been identified concerning the recent incident where a full—time national serviceman walked out of Mandai Hill Camp with his rifle and ammunition during his guard duty, said Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean.
20—year—old full—time national serviceman Corporal Dave Teo, who was serving as an infantryman in the First Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment (1 SIR) has been charged with illegally carrying a firearm after escaping from his camp on the night of 2 September and was caught at Cineleisure on Orchard Road after a 20—hour manhunt.
Speaking in Parliament on Monday, Minister Teo said the SAF had convened a Higher Board of Inquiry (HBOI) to determine how the incident took place and while it reviewed that the SAFÂ’s current systems are sound, they rely on people for effective implementation.
In this case, the first weakness the HBOI identified was the implementation and supervision of guard room procedures at Mandai Hill Camp on that night when Corporal Teo slipped out.
It also revealed that there was a flaw in the physical construction of Mandai Hill Camp that enabled him to escape without being detected.
The third lapse was the mismanagement of the post—incident reporting procedures, which require quick reporting of all serious incidents including missing arms and ammunition.
On 2 September, Corporal Teo was assigned patrolling duty and its procedures require it to be conducted on two—hour shifts and in pairs.
Guards on patrol duties are also required to make situational reporting to the guard room at half—hour intervals but these were not enforced properly or Corporal Teo’s absence would have been detected earlier.
The campÂ’s physical security is also in question as it has been designed to prevent unauthorized entry and not unauthorized exit.
Investigations showed that Corporal Teo did not leave by the camp gates but absconded by jumping the far corner of the second—floor parapet of the Guard Room onto the carpark outside the camp premises, which was out of the visual scope of the other guards.
Before doing so, he dismantled his rifle and concealed it in his field pack.
This incident has also brought to light a significant breach of reporting standards.
For serious security incidents such as those involving missing arms and ammunition, the unitÂ’s Duty Operations Officer is required to report the incident to the ArmyÂ’s General Staff Operations Centre within 30 minutes.
However, in this case, Corporal Teo, together with his firearm and ammunition, was discovered missing by the Guard Commander at 11.59pm on 2 September, but the ArmyÂ’s General Staff Operations Centre was only informed of this incident at 3am the next day.
The Military Police were alerted at 3.30am and when their preliminary investigations showed that the missing firearm and ammunition were no longer on the camp premises, the Police were contacted at 5.45am.
When Corporal Teo was arrested, his firearms and eight rounds of ammunition were recovered. All five rounds of 5.56 ammunition which were issued to him for guard duty on 2 September were retrieved.
However, investigations revealed that additional three 5.56 millimetre tracer rounds were used during a section live firing exercise that he participated in two weeks earlier. The police and the SAF are still investigating exactly how he acquired those three tracer rounds.
Minister Teo stressed that concrete action by MINDEF and the SAF have been taken to rectify the three lapses.
He added that following this incident, the SAF has audited and reviewed the camp guard security of all SAF camps to determine if such non—compliance of orders or procedures exists in other camps.
However, Mr Teo said that the audit revealed that this was a problem localised to this unit.
Nonetheless, the SAF has stepped up the frequency of security audits of all SAF camps and will continue to focus on effective training and supervision to ensure that servicemen at all levels know the procedures and how to implement them.
Personnel found to have been negligent in their conduct of duties in this case will also be punished.
During an interview with his Platoon Commander in June this year, Corporal Teo admitted that he was stressed over relationship problems with his girlfriend.
The criminal case against Corporal Teo is pending.