Corporal (CPL) Dave Teo Ming
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Yes, you're probably right. They probably just met her on the streets and gave her some money to book the room under her name so as to avoid detection.Originally posted by Ponders:The "twist" i want to know...
Kanjama
what part did she play in this?
I have a feeling Teo paid her to book the hotel so that he will be out of CID's radar. -
I guess it depends from country to country.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:In peacetime, civil jurisdiction supercedes the military.
Singapore's military is very much intertwined with civilians. And we do not have a well-established military court system as compared to US.
Our JAG is also the AG, we do not have an official Legal Corp and much of the disciplinary system is decentralised to units.
But I personally believe, Teo should have been dealt militarily first before handed over to civilian authorities. -
i think so too.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Yes, you're probably right. They probably just met her on the streets and gave her some money to book the room under her name so as to avoid detection.
like tt will she be punished as well? -
Well military law is really a superset of civilian law, which means a military court martial has the jurisdiction to try him under the Arms Offences Act as well.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:In peacetime, civil jurisdiction supercedes the military.
But in practice, major criminal cases tend to be tried in the civilian courts instead, even if they were to involve military personnel. The Military courts here seem to deal more with petty offences like theft, AWOL etc though theoretically they can even try capital cases. -
IF this logic continues, the 3SG who issued to rifle and ammo to him must be charged also because the 3SG should have guessed his mental state as he was going thru a breakup. The 3SG got no reason not to know because the breakup was made public on his ex's blog.Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:i think so too.
like tt will she be punished as well?
Likewise, the camp's RSM must be charged for rostering guard duty and preparing the necessary equipment to perform guard duty.
So is the BDO and BOS for mounting the guards that day.
The CO for authorising arms to be kept at guard house.
the Mindef for posting CO to the unit. -
Well MINDEF does have its own legal service in charge of prosecution of servicemen in the military courts..Originally posted by Ponders:Our JAG is also the AG, we do not have an official Legal Corp and much of the disciplinary system is decentralised to units.
But I personally believe, Teo should have been dealt militarily first before handed over to civilian authorities. -
And to add, the military allows for caning too.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Well military law is really a superset of civilian law, which means a military court martial has the jurisdiction to try him under the Arms Offences Act as well.
But in practice, major criminal cases tend to be tried in the civilian courts instead, even if they were to involve military personnel. The Military courts here seem to deal more with petty offences like theft, AWOL etc though theoretically they can even try capital cases.
Not sure about death sentence though. -
I don't think so.. Unless she knew that Dave Teo was in illegal possession of the rifle at that time.Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:i think so too.
like tt will she be punished as well? -
If Cpl Teo was court-martialed for what he did, the whole military would accept it.
But it looks like he was thrown to the dogs. -
is this legal service an Official unit and a stand-alone unit?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Well MINDEF does have its own legal service in charge of prosecution of servicemen in the military courts..
i always want to find out..
because my lawyer friend wanted to sign on as such, but recruitment officer was very ambiguous.
Afaik, these ppl in legal service are NSmen who are lawyers. -
Yup, the subordinate military court can sentence a serviceman to death. To quote the SAF Act:Originally posted by Ponders:And to add, the military allows for caning too.
Not sure about death sentence though.
"Scale of punishments, etc.
118. —(1) The punishments which may be awarded by sentence of a subordinate military court under this Act are, subject to section 112 (1) and to this section —
(a) death;
(b) imprisonment;
(c) discharge with ignominy;
(d) dismissal;
(e) special detention for a term not exceeding 3 months in a disciplinary barrack;
(f) detention for a term not exceeding 2 years;
(g) reduction in rank except that an officer shall not be reduced below the rank of second lieutenant and a warrant officer shall not be reduced below the rank of second warrant officer;
(h) forfeiture of seniority of rank and forfeiture of all or any part of his service for purposes of promotion;
(i) a fine;
(j) in the case of an offence which has occasioned any expense, loss or damage, deduction of pay;
(k) reprimand;
(l) such minor punishments as may from time to time be authorised by the Armed Forces Council in regulations made under this Act,
and references in this Act to any punishment provided by this Act are, subject to the limitation imposed in any particular case by the addition of the word “less” are references to any one or more of the punishments.
[20/75;17/78;1/94]" -
wow. military death sentence in Spore..
like nv happen before leh. -
Well, so for some cases, they actually got around the law by decommissioning the Officer?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Yup, the subordinate military court can sentence a serviceman to death. To quote the SAF Act:
"Scale of punishments, etc.
118. —(1) The punishments which may be awarded by sentence of a subordinate military court under this Act are, subject to section 112 (1) and to this section —
(a) death;
(b) imprisonment;
(c) discharge with ignominy;
(d) dismissal;
(e) special detention for a term not exceeding 3 months in a disciplinary barrack;
(f) detention for a term not exceeding 2 years;
(g) reduction in rank except that an officer shall not be reduced below the rank of second lieutenant and a warrant officer shall not be reduced below the rank of second warrant officer;
(h) forfeiture of seniority of rank and forfeiture of all or any part of his service for purposes of promotion;
(i) a fine;
(j) in the case of an offence which has occasioned any expense, loss or damage, deduction of pay;
(k) reprimand;
(l) such minor punishments as may from time to time be authorised by the Armed Forces Council in regulations made under this Act,
and references in this Act to any punishment provided by this Act are, subject to the limitation imposed in any particular case by the addition of the word “less” are references to any one or more of the punishments.
[20/75;17/78;1/94]"
I have known (or at least read in ROs) LTAs decom'ed to PTE.
And also, i don't understand the 3 months max DB.
And what's a subordinate military court? -
Hmm.. not too sure about that.. was reading the SAF Act on a website, found it rather interesting. For instance, i didn't know an Air Force pilot can be court martialled and jailed up to 2 years if he causes unnecessary annoyance when flying his aircraft.Originally posted by Ponders:is this legal service an Official unit and a stand-alone unit?
i always want to find out..
because my lawyer friend wanted to sign on as such, but recruitment officer was very ambiguous.
Afaik, these ppl in legal service are NSmen who are lawyers.
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/
Look under Singapore Armed Forces Act. -
Ya, i don't think so either. Cos all these major cases are tried in the civilian courts.Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:wow. military death sentence in Spore..
like nv happen before leh. -
We are not talking about Ops status here.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:In peacetime, civil jurisdiction supercedes the military.
We are talking about the legal jurisdiction of a particular individual.
Because the SAF Act governs an individual from the date of enlistment till the date of discharge.
Military prosecution should take place first, punishment dealt and served, then the civilian courts. At the time of the offence, he is a soldier first and foremost, a private citizen second. -
suay sia.
and his so called accomplice friend lagi worse..
1 more month to ord..sigh.. now his whole future gone. -
Malaysia won't laugh. Here's why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mau'nahOriginally posted by crusader91:Disgrace to the army!!!!
Our neighbours can jolly well laugh at our security.....
Gun in the heart of singapore -
Originally posted by GIB:Malaysia won't laugh. Here's why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mau'nah
Al-Ma'unah was a militant group in Malaysia made famous by their audacious raid on July 2, 2000 on a Malaysian Army Reserve camp in the early hours of the morning and stealing weapons from the armoury
not shocking to know of such incident in M'sia.
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U are wrong.Originally posted by LazerLordz:We are not talking about Ops status here.
We are talking about the legal jurisdiction of a particular individual.
Because the SAF Act governs an individual from the date of enlistment till the date of discharge.
Military prosecution should take place first, punishment dealt and served, then the civilian courts. At the time of the offence, he is a soldier first and foremost, a private citizen second.
Only drug offences committed outside camp by NSF will be send back to the military and after that DB.
He committed a serious offence and will definitely be charged and sentenced by the civilian court. -
Was that how Malaysia's famous M16 gang came about?Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:quote:
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Al-Ma'unah was a militant group in Malaysia made famous by their audacious raid on July 2, 2000 on a Malaysian Army Reserve camp in the early hours of the morning and stealing weapons from the armoury
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not shocking to know of such incident in M'sia. 
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Hmm.Originally posted by laoda99:U are wrong.
Only drug offences committed outside camp by NSF will be send back to the military and after that DB.
He committed a serious offence and will definitely be charged and sentenced by the civilian court.
I need to read up the SAF Act again..never counted on the possibility of a double charge prohibition in it.. -
no. different gangs. this gang's objective is to overthrow the Malaysian government; not robbing banks.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Was that how Malaysia's famous M16 gang came about? 
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I suppose there can't be double jeopardy for Teo to kena from both Civilian and Military court. Thus I believe in this case, due to the severity of the case, he's dumped to the Civilian court to kena the maximum sentence for the offense.
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Come to think of it,
I remember there is an MP (Manpower) GOM on Jurisdiction.
if any of you still have access to intranet, you should be able to check it out.
I did read it briefly...
there are some offences that Mindef must take jurisdiction over.
The others, up to mindef to release to civilian custody.