Death during AHM 2007
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it means that you can't shock a person unless he has an irregularly weak pulse. If his heart does not display any activity, defibs have no use. CPR should be used instead to pump blood to the brain since the heart cannot do so.Originally posted by ouchtthurt:So, if i didnt infer wrongly, he had a suspicious spinal injury and his heart had already stopped. Thus rendering CPR and all that useless isist? The defrilbrilator was useless as well because of? -
ThanksOriginally posted by PointBlue:it means that you can't shock a person unless he has an irregularly weak pulse. If his heart does not display any activity, defibs have no use. CPR should be used instead to pump blood to the brain since the heart cannot do so.
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isn't that what they always encouraged before and during any runs??Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Quite a few cases of young people collapsing and dying during runs recently... They must have pushed themselves beyond their physical limits.
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trueOriginally posted by cyberr1981:isn't that what they always encouraged before and during any runs?? -
what else can they do? more den enuff medical coverage was indented for, he was rushed to the hospital in the shortest time possible.Originally posted by Ponders:I dunno if i should say it here..
but it is quite disappointing that the event officials including the ministers who took part...
sounded quite insincere saying condolences for the family but in the same sentence mentioned they already put in place all necessary medical personnel.
sounds they are washing their hands
if they dun express condolences, pple KPKB say no care from the management. give sincere condolences say pple are washing hands.
understand the situation in a broader perspective. i feel the pain for the victim's family, but its just that some things have to happen -
wait a min, i thought defibs are used only if no pulse is detected? if u say he has a irregular weak pulse, Defib cant be used rite?Originally posted by PointBlue:it means that you can't shock a person unless he has an irregularly weak pulse. If his heart does not display any activity, defibs have no use. CPR should be used instead to pump blood to the brain since the heart cannot do so.
But if the runner pulse has not been detected, why defib not given? -
this is interesting, remember there is also a case of someone about 1-2 years back, where the person crossed/almost cross the finishing line and then died?Originally posted by nanren4ever:This is probably one of those cases where the mind pushes the body to extremes, and even though he crossed the finishing line, the body collaspe. Its really sad and scary to think that people can drop dead just like that. Makes u really wanna treasure life even more.
That person also has a history of long distance running.
I remember replying to the thread as well. I think the factors to death are the following:
1). Someone who has ran before marathons, and am confident. But they have less than 4 years continuous training on the marathons
2). They passed on/collapse at the finishing line ==> they tried to overwork their heart by running faster to get a better timing.
3). On point 2, it might be a wrong technique that runners have used to breathe during the last couple hundreds of meters to get better timing. This could be due to improper guidance of training ==> since most runners arent professional, but amateurs, who have developed their own technique of running and sprinting at the last meters.
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Its not about pulse, its about the beating of the heart. Even if no pulse is detected, the heart might still be beating, just that the rhythm is unable to pump blood to a point where the pulse can be felt.Originally posted by borntolive:wait a min, i thought defibs are used only if no pulse is detected? if u say he has a irregular weak pulse, Defib cant be used rite?
But if the runner pulse has not been detected, why defib not given?
Defibs will not have any effect if the heart has completely stopped. A lot of people have a wrong understanding about defibrillation, no thanks to the movies.
Defibs are used for getting the heart rhythm from a irregular rhythm back to a regular rhythm. Defib in itself cannot "restart" a heart that has stopped completely.
Regarding the last question, there are many answers as to why defib is not given. If the Defib on scene is an AED, chances are that the AED will not allow the shock as the rhythm is non-shockable, in this case no heartbeat at all. If a manual defib is on scene, i.e. Lifepak12, the paramedic will analyse the ECG and deem that defib will not be of use due to the rhythm.
The SAF uses the AED on medical cover, only SCDF will bring out a manual defib to location. -
i'm getting very scared. i'm a regular endurance runner and i love to join such events too.
mayb i'll be next!
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Was this captain guards by vocation? Because I seemed to see his picture in the st once with a sand beret, then I saw again with a red beret? Or my eyes pa jiao?
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wrong...
there are 5 lifepak12 on site at the medical observation tentage when i was there in 2006. even the body cooling unit ( portable bcu) is there, beside the resuscitation site.
for the rest of the med cover points along the route, only basic standard ippt med cover equitment is provided such as the aed and the oxygen tank with mask. and some water points. -
He's a guardsmen. It's your eyes.Originally posted by ouchtthurt:Was this captain guards by vocation? Because I seemed to see his picture in the st once with a sand beret, then I saw again with a red beret? Or my eyes pa jiao? -
Oh well. I muz be getting old.Originally posted by Reveille:He's a guardsmen. It's your eyes.
Anyone else can clearify? -
Why no MO there?Originally posted by PointBlue:i was there as part of the organizers of AHM... 41SAR
the medical platoon came from us, and my medic friend was there to pull him out. the senior medic from kranji mc performed the CPR but sadly, he wasn't revived.
i was told he went unconscious suddenly and fell.
it's so sad, i watched every single one of the OCS people walk past me to form up at the start line, i never thought that one of those unknown faces would die today... -
MO cant be in every single location la... but at finishing point there should be at least a MO wad?Originally posted by croco2006:Why no MO there?
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is marathon a deadly sport ? every run got ppl die , some more half marathon nia
any RIP to the captain