Death during AHM 2007
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putting it in another perspective, they are trying to reassure the public that the best possible medical coverage was around, and even then, accidents do happen. It may not be the intention for people to 'wash their hands' off the incident... although it seems compelling to believe so
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the reports did exaggerate the numbers a little. there weren't as many medics as mentioned, probably half of what was given. equipment weren't hospital standard obviously.Originally posted by sir sickolot II:putting it in another perspective, they are trying to reassure the public that the best possible medical coverage was around, and even then, accidents do happen. It may not be the intention for people to 'wash their hands' off the incident... although it seems compelling to believe so
i found out from the medics who were at the scene that even though the casualty was brought to the resuscitation point in 30 seconds, his heart had already stopped. 4 to 5 MOs attended to him in addition to many senior warrant medics, all giving CPR and administering drugs to revive him.
in addition it was found that his spinal cord (neck down) was severely damaged for some unknown reason.
the reason why it took 20 minutes before sending him to the hospital is because the medics determined that it was too risky as his heart wasn't beating, so CPR had to be done immediately. Defibrillators weren't used because his pulse was completely zero all the way.
the unofficial reason why they sent him to the hospital was just to pronounce the poor guy dead.
i don't doubt the medics who worked hard to revive him. in fact, the medics were the busiest people during AHM due to the constant flow of patients.
my condolences to the family
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Why does SG alway have such incidents that soldiers die in run ,training,it sad
It is just a run it doesn't matter whether you are fast,slow,completed or not,it is just a simple run,to give up a human life for a run!!!!
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I think the event organiser already try their best and everything needed to done has implace... Please don't try to question their working ethics. Btw,this is not the first time such things happen. 2 years ago,an Indian sgt also die similarly during his IPPT. There seems to be a trend of such incident happen.
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defib not given why? no pulse supposed to give defib wad....i think defib wasnt given is because hes too sweaty, risk of electric shock.Originally posted by PointBlue:the reports did exaggerate the numbers a little. there weren't as many medics as mentioned, probably half of what was given. equipment weren't hospital standard obviously.
i found out from the medics who were at the scene that even though the casualty was brought to the resuscitation point in 30 seconds, his heart had already stopped. 4 to 5 MOs attended to him in addition to many senior warrant medics, all giving CPR and administering drugs to revive him.
in addition it was found that his spinal cord (neck down) was severely damaged for some unknown reason.
the reason why it took 20 minutes before sending him to the hospital is because the medics determined that it was too risky as his heart wasn't beating, so CPR had to be done immediately. Defibrillators weren't used because his pulse was completely zero all the way.
the unofficial reason why they sent him to the hospital was just to pronounce the poor guy dead.
i don't doubt the medics who worked hard to revive him. in fact, the medics were the busiest people during AHM due to the constant flow of patients.
my condolences to the family -
why not u try being a medic? being a non medical trained soldier n given 2 mths of basic training, u cant expect SCDF standard. Non medic do not understand the feeling when u see a patient unconscious or a seriously injured patient in front of u , i have experienced that n its -_-"", i beleive the medics would have done their best but there is a limit to which a medic can do.Originally posted by Saint`:the thing that bothers me is that when some1 dies .. the media will always focus their reports on how "efficient" the medical assistence is .. in short they r more focus on wayanging and covering their asses as some1 died in service ..
n btw do u know if a patient get into trouble, the medic will be the 1st to be invesigated 1st, n if found u didnt follow protocols or make a minor mistake, u r in deep trouble -
Yeah agree with you,i can't comment on the medical services provided since i did not participate the run this yr,but from how the article reported "reaching the officer within 30 seconds"really wayang loh,don't tell me the reporter saw what happened and take a stopwatch and calculated the timing haha or estimated,if estimated should put estimated 30 second mah and it really hard to believe.Originally posted by Saint`:the thing that bothers me is that when some1 dies .. the media will always focus their reports on how "efficient" the medical assistence is .. in short they r more focus on wayanging and covering their asses as some1 died in service .. -
They shouldnt even organise such a event. Mara, triathlon is a very risky sport. I believe a average person (even if he does train for it) shouldnt even be running competitvely in such a event. For leisure run yes but competitive no.Originally posted by Gordonator:it's probably due to lack of sleep. i seriously think the AHM committee should really consider postponing the run to a later time like for example 7am. cos seriously i think it's stupid to start a run at 5.30am in the morning.
the runners not only have little time to sleep, they also don't have time to eat as well.
N u know if SAF organise such a event, many regulars, nsfs are obliged, encoruaged and even forced to join to show face. Many of these are not well trained in such a event. Yes they can clock gold for 2.4km but over 21km is no joke. I beleive there are alot of fainting at finishing point n thats why there is alot of MO n senior medics.
IMO, for such a high risk event, they should ask SCDF to sent some staff to standby not just MO, medics -
poor thing. 25 years old quite young. Too bad he didnt train enough.
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Originally posted by KenPlus:
If you were at the scene, you will testify to the fact that he was attended to in less than 10 seconds.
Yeah agree with you,i can't comment on the medical services provided since i did not participate the run this yr,but from how the article reported "reaching the officer within 30 seconds"really wayang loh,don't tell me the reporter saw what happened and take a [b]stopwatch and calculated the timing haha or estimated,if estimated should put estimated 30 second mah and it really hard to believe.[/b]
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defib not given why? no pulse supposed to give defib wad....i think defib wasnt given is because hes too sweaty, risk of electric shock.
Defib is supposed to be given only if the patient's cardiac monitor showed ventricular fibrillation or unstable ventricular tachycardia. In his case, I think it was asystole, defib would not have helped.
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i think that's a pretty insensitive comment.Originally posted by HyuugaNeji:poor thing. 25 years old quite young. Too bad he didnt train enough. -
This is probably one of those cases where the mind pushes the body to extremes, and even though he crossed the finishing line, the body collaspe. Its really sad and scary to think that people can drop dead just like that. Makes u really wanna treasure life even more.
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this type of thing no one can predict so cant be helped. all that could be done was done so its wiser for us to draw a lesson from this incident and move on. lesson learnt? trasure those around you for you will never know when fate may take them away from you. dont push yourself too hard. and recognise his contributions to society,saf,his famliy and etc.
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erm anyone here knows how much compensation $ will the cpt family get?
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but i think it's what we always hear "push urself. push urself. u can do it"Originally posted by nanren4ever:This is probably one of those cases where the mind pushes the body to extremes, and even though he crossed the finishing line, the body collaspe. Its really sad and scary to think that people can drop dead just like that. Makes u really wanna treasure life even more. -
The army personel is really pitiful n his vocation is a Guards officer. He got sposnored to study economics by army scholarship.
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It could have been worse. Luckily it was not a NSF forced to run and drop dead.Originally posted by will4:The army personel is really pitiful n his vocation is a Guards officer. He got sposnored to study economics by army scholarship. -
I second it. The AED would not shock a patient if the cardiac pattern shows asystole, which means no heart movement. Its known as a "non-shockable rhythm". Forcibly delivering shocks is beyond the capabilities of the paramedics. Not that it would have helped too.Originally posted by kensongs:Defib is supposed to be given only if the patient's cardiac monitor showed ventricular fibrillation or unstable ventricular tachycardia. In his case, I think it was asystole, defib would not have helped.
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if im nt wrong,he was given a military funerall tdy
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I third that.Nothing could have been done at the scene if he was in a state of asystole.The AEDs presents would have been useless and even CPR would not be of much use because it does not supply enough oxygen to the brain.Originally posted by EXCO:I second it. The AED would not shock a patient if the cardiac pattern shows asystole, which means no heart movement. Its known as a "non-shockable rhythm". Forcibly delivering shocks is beyond the capabilities of the paramedics. Not that it would have helped too.
Moral of the story is please know your limits!Its your own body after all.
Every year at the AHM I see people fainting at the finish line.
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the words army and economics are oxymoronsOriginally posted by will4:The army personel is really pitiful n his vocation is a Guards officer. He got sposnored to study economics by army scholarship.
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Medics pls simplify some of the terms. Paiseh, I not medic, dun understand certain terms
So, if i didnt infer wrongly, he had a suspicious spinal injury and his heart had already stopped. Thus rendering CPR and all that useless isist? The defrilbrilator was useless as well because of?
I also read from ST that he was from ngee ann poly. In that case, how did he go to OCS, I thought OCS must have A-level certification? -
Huh .. you mean diploma grads cannot be officers?Originally posted by ouchtthurt:I also read from ST that he was from ngee ann poly. In that case, how did he go to OCS, I thought OCS must have A-level certification? -
that's not true. poly grads can also be selected for OCS either during NS or signing on.Originally posted by ouchtthurt:I also read from ST that he was from ngee ann poly. In that case, how did he go to OCS, I thought OCS must have A-level certification?
anyway isn't diploma of higher qualification than A level?