Life after 6 years as regular Officer
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can take the MBA route. There are many officers.
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Perhaps but here in the UK, mention of the Singapore Army brings a blank stare. Just as would happen if someone mentioned the cypriot army in Singapore.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You're slightly wrong on that.
In Canada and America, military experience regardless of nationality is counted as relevant job experience by quite a fair number of firms if you're looking to work in related industries like HR, headhunter firms, engineering (if you were a MEO) etc.
If it's an unrelated industry, it'll still be counted as normal work experience.
The point is there are so many ex-officers with a wealth of experience floating around in these countries that 6 years in the SAF, an obscure military organization, would at best be of minimum advantage.
I take your point though - that military experience, wherever it is, is an asset. My point is that most companies would hire locals of equivalent experience and/or with relevant civilian experience over an Ex-SAF officer.
In short, he should go in eyes wide open and do his own risk assessment! -
i advise u keep on renew contract as long as possible...
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in another word, stuck there forever...Originally posted by Stoat:i advise u keep on renew contract as long as possible... -
This guy got a saver plan up to age 42 but no plans in continueing it after 6 years unless by then, the chances of promotion or already promoted to LTC is there. Else, i dont see the point.
Probably do a part time masters at the same time so after 6 years, at least the knowledge is still quite current. Then, from there, planning to go abroad to work or further study.
6 years is a period to save up lots of $$ for that. IN addition, if this guy can be awarded the postgraduate scholarship, i think is worth to go on too.. -
By the way, anyone knows the name or contact of the LTC doing part time in NTU? Will be good to have a chat with him.
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tis is surprisingly true for me!Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:i heard a cpt after his ord, he got a new job. the new boss is one of his cpl.
he need to call the cpl "boss"
so cool...
a few months back, my company started hiring new staff and one of those hire was my company 2IC during NS! the icing of cake was that my boss decided to place him under my charge...of course, without knowing the newly hired was my commander!
i still remember the words my company 2IC said to me when he reported to me..."errr, boss, sorry but i find you very familiar"
my answer..."ahh yea LTA, i'm ur medic in 3SIR"
you should see his face man...
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urbanmonkey, u are the best!!!Originally posted by urbanmonkey:tis is surprisingly true for me!
a few months back, my company started hiring new staff and one of those hire was my company 2IC during NS! the icing of cake was that my boss decided to place him under my charge...of course, without knowing the newly hired was my commander!
i still remember the words my company 2IC said to me when he reported to me..."errr, boss, sorry but i find you very familiar"
my answer..."ahh yea LTA, i'm ur medic in 3SIR"
you should see his face man... -
btw, how's he now?Originally posted by urbanmonkey:tis is surprisingly true for me!
a few months back, my company started hiring new staff and one of those hire was my company 2IC during NS! the icing of cake was that my boss decided to place him under my charge...of course, without knowing the newly hired was my commander!
i still remember the words my company 2IC said to me when he reported to me..."errr, boss, sorry but i find you very familiar"
my answer..."ahh yea LTA, i'm ur medic in 3SIR"
you should see his face man...
did u tekan him? or u give him special care?? -
I am not sure he is still there teaching, I think is LTC Terence Goh, he was my tutor for my tutorial class from Jan 06 to May 06. At that time he is still a regular at SAFTI while part-time teaching at NTU so he is not a full-time staff in NTU. Course is MB106 Fundamentals of Management.Originally posted by cha11enge:By the way, anyone knows the name or contact of the LTC doing part time in NTU? Will be good to have a chat with him.
The rest u have to dig urself liao, dun ask me to help you because I already gave u the heads up and I dun believe in spoon feeding in things where one can search himself. -
LOL GOod management skillOriginally posted by octega:If u acquire good people management skills, that is perhaps one of the things u can take away from SAF.
Seriously though, combat officer + engineering degree and apply for private sector engineering jobs, u start from scratch.
It is not so much of hard to get a job but of the lifestyle u grow accustomed to during the 6 years. The high pay, spending habits, family commitments AKA wife/kids/parents, etc.
Then getting a reality check: Are u willing to forgo the lifestyle or continue on. I have friends from the WOSE side just lan lan continue another 10 years after the first 6 years because they found out that they cannot get a job that can sustain their current lifestyle especially those who are married with kids.
So think smart, is not only 6 years, it could be ur whole life.
Good management skill = good bullying skill???
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maybe can go into politics. Young PAP thingy or etc. or diplomat in the ministry of foreign affairs. was thinking since all of them belongs to the government sectors. SHouldnt be difficult to get in those then
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You will be lucky if your interviewer is another ex-officer. Only they will appreciate that you could be a better bet than an ordinary soldier, for the same salary.
You don't necessarily have to look for a job ...... be an entrepreuner ! -
I assume a regular officer who does not re-up will be in his late-20s, & holds at least a CPT's rank. He's definitely behind his civilian peers, who will be priming to enter middle-management at that point in their careers. But I don't agree that his only options are entry-level jobs or, to be more specific, that he'll necessarily be leaving the military "blind" as per before.
MINDEF now has a DES (D'eXecutive Services) entity that helps facilitate training their regulars for civilian employment, namely the Career Transition Branch (under DES-SAFPSC) for senior officers & the Centre for Management Development (or DES-MCMD) for junior officers.
[While confirming the details, I just found out MCMD even has a E-Prep scheme for NSFs too, with e-credit subsidies available to offset course fees. For now, the individual service branches coordinate for their wospecs, under various MOUs like SAF-ASPRI, RSAF-AAIS & RSN-ASMI.]
The junior officer won't likely have time for part-time studies while with an active unit. But if he's diligent, or ambitious, he could forseeably do so -- possibly even disrupt his bond -- when attached to the school-trainer side. -
If the Government's objective is for its citizens to work beyond 62 years old, then starting out at late 20s and early 30s is definitely OK.
My objective is for an early retirement. So, if TS shares the same objective, don't do another contract. If he starts out later, say 40 years old, he might not be able to achieve early retirement. -
had the urge to do so but decided to be professional about it...besides, wat's in the past is in the past, no point bringing it up...wat's more important is the present and the plans for the future!Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:btw, how's he now?
did u tekan him? or u give him special care??
sure did bring back lots of fond memories reminising those days when we had our initial first few lunches together.. -
e-prep is crap. credits so little and most courses they offer need more credits. DES MCMD! my ex comd is the boss there now.Originally posted by blitzonic:MINDEF now has a DES (D'eXecutive Services) entity that helps facilitate training their regulars for civilian employment, namely the Career Transition Branch (under DES-SAFPSC) for senior officers & the Centre for Management Development (or DES-MCMD) for junior officers.
[While confirming the details, I just found out MCMD even has a E-Prep scheme for NSFs too, with e-credit subsidies available to offset course fees. For now, the individual service branches coordinate for their wospecs, under various MOUs like SAF-ASPRI, RSAF-AAIS & RSN-ASMI.] -
I do not believe they skip basically the program call for a longer PHD program so that it does not stop at a master level.Originally posted by ditzy:So far, the only people I know who get direct admissions to phD, skipping masters after an honours degree are those who scored at least 3.88/4.0 in their GPA. And that was right after their graduation.
And one more thing to note, your experience in management comes from a non profit organisation, or should I say where a regime overrules almost everything. -
counted as no experience unless you are into infotech and some technical departments...
So, once you sign on you basically have to sell yourself to gahmen untill they don't allow you to continue to work there anymore... -
This guy didnt have plans to continue on after 6 years unless on track or already promoted to LTC so as to be comparable to the scholars (ie:SAFOS), otherwise there's no point in working till 42.
Some professors have enlightened him that, it's actually possible to do a PHD even when you are in the 30s, as long as you have the mind to do it. Seems like a good plan to him, doing a part time masters during the 6 years, and then do a PHD in the field of public policy, strategic studies or some forms of management (tapping onto the 6 years of service in the government sector)
Seems good?
Still a long way to go anyway, working abroad might also be a good alternative. -
Abt the LTC who part timed , arent regulars not supposed to moonlight ?
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of cos, he must have got official approval from his superiors.Originally posted by Saint`:Abt the LTC who part timed , arent regulars not supposed to moonlight ?
even there is an official form for saf doctors to practice outside.
moonlighting is meant more for those specialists/riflemen regulars.
e.g. sell insurance policies, MLM,....etc. -
wan lan leh LTC leh .. pay shld be farking gd rite .. mayb with all the appointments can hit 10k + .. i wonder on what grounds he used for approvalOriginally posted by eac:of cos, he must have got official approval from his superiors.
even there is an official form for saf doctors to practice outside.
moonlighting is meant more for those specialists/riflemen regulars.
e.g. sell insurance policies, MLM,....etc.
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[quote]Originally posted by octega:
If u acquire good people management skills, that is perhaps one of the things u can take away from SAF.
Seriously though, combat officer + engineering degree and apply for private sector engineering jobs, u start from scratch.
It is not so much of hard to get a job but of the lifestyle u grow accustomed to during the 6 years. The high pay, spending habits, family commitments AKA wife/kids/parents, etc.
Then getting a reality check: Are u willing to forgo the lifestyle or continue on. I have friends from the WOSE side just lan lan continue another 10 years after the first 6 years because they found out that they cannot get a job that can sustain their current lifestyle especially those who are married with kids.
So think smart, is not only 6 years, it could be ur whole life.[/qu
I would not even count people management skills....in today's corporate world you do not command and control...you have to convince and get people on your side...that's what corporate leaders have to do today...
So I say to all officers(let alone combat officers), you want to come out, better think twice cause you gonna get hell..you will not get used to it...I estimate only about 5% of our middle management(Cpts - Cols)make it in the outside world....else I'd suggest you better henta kaki in your present position and enjoy your cushy life there.....that's what saf is all about right. -
You are quite right on that....there is such a thing called respectOriginally posted by LazerLordz:You're slightly wrong on that.
In Canada and America, military experience regardless of nationality is counted as relevant job experience by quite a fair number of firms if you're looking to work in related industries like HR, headhunter firms, engineering (if you were a MEO) etc.
If it's an unrelated industry, it'll still be counted as normal work experience.