PM's son's army gaffe and why we have to worry
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Ah, the wonders of the internet. Let's all thank Al Gore.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You know what's the sheer funny thing here? It's that a simple thing like being unable to carry out your damned regimental duties can end up being such a sensational headline in the national blogosphere.
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hey..the dude has PSC scholarship..pls edit first post ot prevent misunderstanding. The original author changed it too..
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Sargen say go I just go lor. Sargen say can book out early who dun wan?!?!?!Originally posted by Gedanken:Don't tell me if you are on guard duty until 0800 and your sargeant tells you that you can leave at 0500 with nobody to relieve you that you will just go.
If later got problem of cus is Sarjen kenna charge rite. Cos he is the one in CHARGE!!! -
His scholarship also his father gib him oneOriginally posted by Xtrider:hey..the dude has PSC scholarship..pls edit first post ot prevent misunderstanding. The original author changed it too.. -
No lah its cos kuan yew's grand kid little bit buay song shoot out email to all the beeg shot and all over whole SAF stir the biggest shit ever and all the beeg shot not happy wid him small fuck 2LT also cannot do farkall to him cos he is our whitest horse BAYBEE...Originally posted by LazerLordz:You know what's the sheer funny thing here? It's that a simple thing like being unable to carry out your damned regimental duties can end up being such a sensational headline in the national blogosphere.
its damn farney
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my mum was just telling me yday to continue study immediately after ord. i say no $. den dunno hw we end up talking abt lee family and hw rich they r. she said: aiya if yr dad got money, u dun want work also can. yr dad can buy for u any kind of cert u want.
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Wrong.Originally posted by John Wong:Sargen say go I just go lor. Sargen say can book out early who dun wan?!?!?!
If later got problem of cus is Sarjen kenna charge rite. Cos he is the one in CHARGE!!!
Handing over Regimental Duty is different from going off-barracks.
Oh sure, jolly good, if you think your sergeant's the only bugger that will be in hot soup, you definitely had too many shrooms. -
its not about unable to carry out duties, this LTA Rxx had jolly AWOL-ed from his duty. and its a very serious offence IMO.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You know what's the sheer funny thing here? It's that a simple thing like being unable to carry out your damned regimental duties can end up being such a sensational headline in the national blogosphere. -
How many private soldier here ever been briefed to disobey sergeant when he say book out early even when on guard duty?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Wrong.
Handing over Regimental Duty is different from going off-barracks.
Oh sure, jolly good, if you think your sergeant's the only bugger that will be in hot soup, you definitely had too many shrooms. -
I trained that guy while he was a recruit, he was actually quite an okay soldier that didn't put on airs and was not treated any specially. In fact I must add that being a ultra White Horse actually worked against him as it meant that he HAD to do at least one of the things that some recruits could avoid (like weekend duties) just to remove any suspision that he was being treated specially.
As for what happened after BMTC, I can't say much but he was a good recruit who didn't wayang or slack back and was well liked by his platoon mates.
So there, an ex-BMTC instructor giving his two cents. -
In any case I made my post to point that that if any of us have entertained the thought that this was a person who was a snotty, prideful and stuck-up elite then we ought to get rid of them. As much as I differ with the ruling party's ideas at times, and no doubt people do treat him differently due to his family ties, he was a proper soldier when I served as the role of his instructor in the three months he was in BMTC.
And yeah, he even foiled my attempts to steal his rifle at night, which is quite a feat given I was the rifle-stealing Subject Matter Expert in my company. -
Your posts are bordering on the fine line between humour and unappreciated idiocy.Originally posted by John Wong:How many private soldier here ever been briefed to disobey sergeant when he say book out early even when on guard duty?
Which sergeant will order his men to leave their post while they're on duty, knowing that it will be illegal?
Secondly, being a PTE or any lower ranking soldier does not mean that you have undergone a lobotomy or lacking in simple intelligence. -
Its on CNA website now
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/287836/1/.html
MINDEF takes PM Lee's son to task for contravening orders
By S Ramesh/Gamar Abdul Aziz, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 12 July 2007 2348 hrs
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SINGAPORE: The Defence Ministry has formally charged and reprimanded a full-time National Service officer after he contravened orders by broadcasting a letter of complaint to other servicemen.
Second Lieutenant Li Hongyi, who is a son of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, had apparently sent an email to the Defence Minister to lodge a complaint against another serviceman.
2LT Li is believed to have copied the email to other servicemen who are not directly under his command and are not in an official capacity to deal with the matter.
His action has been a subject of several on-line discussions here.
MINDEF says there are proper channels within the SAF to address grievances or concerns.
And in this incident, 2LT Li is said to have written a complaint against another officer whom he alleged had been absent without leave on two occasions.
According to a statement by MINDEF, 2LT Li had also said in his letter that he had reported the matter to the officer's supervisors but disciplinary action had not been carried out.
MINDEF adds that arising from 2LT Li's complaint, an investigation was conducted and appropriate disciplinary action has been meted out to the officers concerned.
The officer who was found to have been absent without leave will be court-martialled.
Two supervising officers have been issued warning letters for poor judgement in administering inappropriate disciplinary action.
MINDEF says to maintain organisational discipline, all SAF servicemen with complaints or grievances should take them up through proper channels for redress.
This is to ensure due process and to protect confidential information.
All complaints which are not anonymous are investigated and dealt with properly. - CNA/ir -
He's actually quite a nice chap, and if you didn't know his Dad is PM, sometimes you could not tell from looking or just interacting with him.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:In any case I made my post to point that that if any of us have entertained the thought that this was a person who was a snotty, prideful and stuck-up elite then we ought to get rid of them. As much as I differ with the ruling party's ideas at times, and no doubt people do treat him differently due to his family ties, he was a proper soldier when I served as the role of his instructor in the three months he was in BMTC.
And yeah, he even foiled my attempts to steal his rifle at night, which is quite a feat given I was the rifle-stealing Subject Matter Expert in my company. -
Justice is served...Originally posted by Guile:Its on CNA website now
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/287836/1/.html
MINDEF takes PM Lee's son to task for contravening orders
By S Ramesh/Gamar Abdul Aziz, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 12 July 2007 2348 hrs
Photos 1 of 1
SINGAPORE: The Defence Ministry has formally charged and reprimanded a full-time National Service officer after he contravened orders by broadcasting a letter of complaint to other servicemen.
Second Lieutenant Li Hongyi, who is a son of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, had apparently sent an email to the Defence Minister to lodge a complaint against another serviceman.
2LT Li is believed to have copied the email to other servicemen who are not directly under his command and are not in an official capacity to deal with the matter.
His action has been a subject of several on-line discussions here.
MINDEF says there are proper channels within the SAF to address grievances or concerns.
And in this incident, 2LT Li is said to have written a complaint against another officer whom he alleged had been absent without leave on two occasions.
According to a statement by MINDEF, 2LT Li had also said in his letter that he had reported the matter to the officer's supervisors but disciplinary action had not been carried out.
MINDEF adds that arising from 2LT Li's complaint, an investigation was conducted and appropriate disciplinary action has been meted out to the officers concerned.
The officer who was found to have been absent without leave will be court-martialled.
Two supervising officers have been issued warning letters for poor judgement in administering inappropriate disciplinary action.
MINDEF says to maintain organisational discipline, all SAF servicemen with complaints or grievances should take them up through proper channels for redress.
This is to ensure due process and to protect confidential information.
All complaints which are not anonymous are investigated and dealt with properly. - CNA/ir -
where got?Originally posted by Stoat:Justice is served... -
Seems pretty much like what MINDEF could realistically do in this heated climate.Originally posted by John Wong:where got? -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:He's actually quite a nice chap, and if you didn't know his Dad is PM, sometimes you could not tell from looking or just interacting with him.
wah.... You all hoping fer wad? Get lower lumber when balloting for hdb?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:In any case I made my post to point that that if any of us have entertained the thought that this was a person who was a snotty, prideful and stuck-up elite then we ought to get rid of them. As much as I differ with the ruling party's ideas at times, and no doubt people do treat him differently due to his family ties, he was a proper soldier when I served as the role of his instructor in the three months he was in BMTC.
And yeah, he even foiled my attempts to steal his rifle at night, which is quite a feat given I was the rifle-stealing Subject Matter Expert in my company. -
Hey, why would I need that at all?Originally posted by John Wong:wah.... You all hoping fer wad? Get lower lumber when balloting for hdb? 
So what if I happen to know how he's like anyway? Do you have a beef with frank words? -
Originally posted by John Wong:His scholarship also his father gib him one
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how much may i ask? no doubt the LTA Rxx had been court martialled which should be the way for AWOL, how about our 2LT Li? i would like to know the punishment melt out, not just for 2LT Li but for LTA Rxx, also.Originally posted by Stoat:Justice is served... -
Siao, if anything I will probably be kenna marked, considering how much sai kang I gave them during their BMT.Originally posted by John Wong:wah.... You all hoping fer wad? Get lower lumber when balloting for hdb? -
Here is the Straitstimes Version.
July 13, 2007
PM Lee's son in NS reprimanded by SAF
By Sandra Davie
WRONG PROCEDURE: 2nd Lt Li Hongyi contravened the General Orders of the Ministry of Defence.
PRIME Minister Lee Hsien Loong's son Li Hongyi, who is serving his national service, has been reprimanded by the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) for not following proper procedures in e-mailing a letter of complaint to many other servicemen.
Second Lieutenant Li Hongyi had alleged that another officer from his unit had been absent without leave or AWOL on two occasions.
In the June 28 e-mail, which was sent to the Defence Minister and senior SAF officers, among others, 2nd Lt Li also stated that he had reported the matter to the officer's superiors, but no disciplinary action had been taken.
In a statement yesterday, Colonel Benedict Lim, director of public affairs at the Ministry of Defence (Mindef), said:
'2nd Lt Li was found to have contravened the General Orders of Mindef by broadcasting his letter of complaint to many other servicemen - almost all of whom were neither directly under his command, nor in an official capacity where they could deal with the matters contained in his letter of complaint.'
Col Lim added: 'He has been formally charged and administered a reprimand after a summary trial.'
The Straits Times understands that a summary trial deals with less serious military offences and is normally presided over by a senior disciplinary officer who may serve with the soldier's own unit or is appointed to oversee the trial from another unit.
Penalties include being warned by the senior disciplinary officer, forfeiture of days off or shouldering extra duties.
In the statement, Mindef added that following 2nd Lt Li's complaint, an investigation was conducted and the officers concerned have been disciplined.
The officer who was found to have been AWOL will be court-martialled and two supervising officers have been issued letters of warning for poor judgment in administering inappropriate disciplinary action.
A court martial, which deals with more serious offences, can result in a range of penalties for misconduct. These include discharge from service, detention in the SAF detention barracks, a reduction in rank, forfeiture of seniority, fines and reprimand.
Mindef issued the statement yesterday in response to media queries about the Internet chatter on 2nd Lt Li's e-mail.
Several sites were abuzz with details of the e-mail and comments on how the authorities would respond.
Col Lim stressed that the SAF takes a serious view of misconduct by any serviceman.
'To maintain organisational discipline, all SAF servicemen with complaints or grievances should take them up through proper channels for redress, to ensure due process and to protect confidential information.
'All complaints which are not anonymous are investigated and dealt with properly.'
2nd Lt Li, who is the third of PM Lee's four children, has received a Public Service Commission scholarship to study economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the United States. -
Wrong. You would also get charged for going AWOL. The sargeant's punishment would be more severe than yours, but you won't get away scot-free either.Originally posted by John Wong:If later got problem of cus is Sarjen kenna charge rite. -
How many private soldiers here ever been briefed to OBEY the sergeant when he say book out early even when on guard duty?Originally posted by John Wong:How many private soldier here ever been briefed to disobey sergeant when he say book out early even when on guard duty?