PM's son's army gaffe and why we have to worry
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i read the full mail, with all due respects, i felt 2LT Li was full of arrogance and anger while he was writing the mail
i may not know wat had really happen behind all these, but one thing for sure is this certain 2LT Li should really not send it up to Mr Teo and General Desmond etc, tat is so so wrong
if my memory serves me right, the officer who went AWOL is a regular officer. and it reflects alot of 2LT Li to send this email and defer for studies, meaning he will not be in service for some time
p/s: please get the surname of 2LT Li correct -
I don't give a f u c k at all, i am no longer serving the NS, and i don't have to serve reservist at all
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there's implications, much more den meets the eyeOriginally posted by allentyb:I don't give a f u c k at all, i am no longer serving the NS, and i don't have to serve reservist at all
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what happened to the common law? elites above the laws?
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huh? that fellow is just another white horse, imagine this news was to reach the public ears, how would you think the public would react to this, this will only embarrasses his father, didn't that dumb moron imbecilic piece of s h i t ever understand about hierarchyOriginally posted by casshern:there's implications, much more den meets the eye
so now, do you think i care about what is going on, in the NS? -
As far as I am concerned, he may have broken the Chain of Command by emailing his grievances to CDF et al.
Problem here is, what would you have done in his shoes, if you had faced the situation you were in? Granted that perhaps he felt that his position could protect him sufficiently if he were to blow the whistle.
Would any of you had done otherwise? Do think about it.
Still, if he has the guts to fire away, he should have the guts to accept any punishment that he may have to undergo. I don't care if he's the PM's son or anything, if favoritism is shown, then it is very regrettable.
Heck, these things happen all the time in the States as well. -
You are soooo wrong. MP's sons get punished ALL the time in the military 'cos their supervisors are told to go by the book. *By the book* - meaning little or no leniency allowed.Originally posted by Ionlytalknoaction:First of all,
2Lt Lee Hong Yi is the son of PM Lee
That means in Singapore he cannot be touched.
2nd of all, I was stunned that the military actually punished 2Lt Lee Hong Yi.(If it were true)
I mean who would have the guts to punish a PM Lee's son???
3rd of all,
2LT Lee retaliates by violating military law.(If it was true)
4th of all,
No military charge is imposed on 2LT Lee. Only a speech was given the next day to educate them of the chain of command.
Lee family can be called Gods of Singapore for sure now.
This is a demonstration of prolong control by the PAP and it's strong hold of the system in singapore.
In this case he was wrongly punished...so...hehe. -
I read the entire mail from the blog
http://tomorrow.sg/archives/2007/07/11/pms_sons_army_gaffe_and_why_we_h.html
think he is just not happy about the punishment received by that LTA in comparision to a cpl who also awol
But i think that he may be biased against that LTA too for not doing his duty and he had to cover it,as well as the punishment he had.
Sigh,this type of problem happened almost everyday one leh in army(duty problem,awol issues,extra given but not serve)
small problem shoot until soooo top,white horse is certainly different from us small fry
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sorry my Lordz, i choose to differ, i'm definitely matured enough to take the appropriate actions instead of screwing someone's career up, dust my backside and go sian charbos in universityOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Problem here is, what would you have done in his shoes, if you had faced the situation you were in? Granted that perhaps he felt that his position could protect him sufficiently if he were to blow the whistle.
Would any of you had done otherwise? Do think about it. -
if i am the CO, i would court martial his ass
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Still which Supervisors would touch the Gods of Singapore????Originally posted by Stoat:You are soooo wrong. MP's sons get punished ALL the time in the military 'cos their supervisors are told to go by the book. *By the book* - meaning little or no leniency allowed.
In this case he was wrongly punished...so...hehe.
It's like a man trying to beat up a God.
lol
I am still Stunned and speechless when the PM Lee's Son was punished.
even if it's small punishment, I am still stunned.
The worst case scenario is when Sg becomes thailand and is ruled by a military government. (Only a thought, Nothing more) -
Hold on - Li left the camp with no DO around, upon only the promise that the next guy would turn up on time?
What kind of f*cked-up officer is that? He's got some nerve telling people about bad leaders when he's a sloppy and irresponsible dickhead himself. -
Oh well, so he definitely would deserve to have the book thrown at him.Originally posted by Gedanken:Hold on - Li left the camp with no DO around, upon only the promise that the next guy would turn up on time?
What kind of f*cked-up officer is that? He's got some nerve telling people about bad leaders when he's a sloppy and irresponsible dickhead himself. -
Neither is it the fact that he is being given favourable treatment on two counts: first, the lack of punishment for his offence, and second, his pending disruption from the army (which he mentioned in the article), despite not being bonded under a government scholarship, which, as far as I know, is the only official way of obtaining disruption.
Not a very important point, but official scholarship isn't the only legitimate reason for disruption. I don't know how long is the disruption for though.
Also, those entering Faculty of Medicine at NUS are allowed to disrupt as well and come back as MOs or whatever. Provided they want to that is. -
there's always the degree of punishment, so just how much is exertedOriginally posted by Ionlytalknoaction:I am still Stunned and speechless when the PM Lee's Son was punished.
even if it's small punishment, I am still stunned. -
It was rhetorical.Originally posted by casshern:sorry my Lordz, i choose to differ, i'm definitely matured enough to take the appropriate actions instead of screwing someone's career up, dust my backside and go sian charbos in university
I know some people would have done the same thing.
Me? I wouldn't be that kancheong to shoot emails around the place to good ol' Bak Chye. If I have a job to do, I'd just do it.
That's what being a decent, responsible soldier is about, not to mention one who is using his common sense to know that while you may hope to get things done by jumping upstairs, there is something called military discipline that does not vanish overnight. -
Omg you silly geese... 2Lt Lee fought for the justice and equality of most people in his unit and this is what he gets from you. Apparently he must have been well brought up by his father to be so staunch in getting rid of corruption. A less upright character will just close one eye or even accept the bribe.Originally posted by LazerLordz:As far as I am concerned, he may have broken the Chain of Command by emailing his grievances to CDF et al.
Problem here is, what would you have done in his shoes, if you had faced the situation you were in? Granted that perhaps he felt that his position could protect him sufficiently if he were to blow the whistle.
Would any of you had done otherwise? Do think about it.
Still, if he has the guts to fire away, he should have the guts to accept any punishment that he may have to undergo. I don't care if he's the PM's son or anything, if favoritism is shown, then it is very regrettable.
Heck, these things happen all the time in the States as well.
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I thought someone resulted being charged through this incident or are there other incident? I was told that 2 LTA LEE actually filed a complained against his superior negeliance of duties and worst still AWOL.. How true is this?
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If u ask me, being a scholar officer doing such a thing, the more we need quality control on SAF officersOriginally posted by LazerLordz:It was rhetorical.
I know some people would have done the same thing.
Me? I wouldn't be that kancheong to shoot emails around the place to good ol' Bak Chye. If I have a job to do, I'd just do it.
That's what being a decent, responsible soldier is about, not to mention one who is using his common sense to know that while you may hope to get things done by jumping upstairs, there is something called military discipline that does not vanish overnight. -
duplicated.
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go to the above webbie to see a clearer pictureOriginally posted by soulwinner:I thought someone resulted being charged through this incident or are there other incident? I was told that 2 LTA LEE actually filed a complained against his superior negeliance of duties and worst still AWOL.. How true is this? -
The 'Royal Prince' speaks !
Nobody will dare to touch him.
Nobody touches the Prince. -
From me?Originally posted by Stoat:Omg you silly geese... 2Lt Lee fought for the justice and equality of most people in his unit and this is what he gets from you. Apparently he must have been well brought up by his father to be so staunch in getting rid of corruption. A less upright character will just close one eye or even accept the bribe.
Doesn't everyone have the right to be skeptical?
Look, the aim may be noble, but there's a reason that regimentation is there in the first place.
I acknowledge his gumption, but it's not something we should encourage because an Army does not run on jumping over people's heads. -
Well, looks like he's fit to follow in Daddy's political footsteps. He made scant mention of that fact in that overwrought tirade of his.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Oh well, so he definitely would deserve to have the book thrown at him.
The fact is that every man in the SAF, right down to your average recruit, has it drummed into him that he is not to leave his post until relieved. He goes swanning out of camp on the word of another guy, and he wants to crap on about poor soldiering? He can pull the other leg - bloomin' hypocrite. -
that is nothing... i got a copy of a reply to him from one Bn CO who CCed to my friend who is an OC at that Bn...I think you read that reply email, ur balls shaking.. he dun care who he is sia..he really let it all off..risking promotion..
