NS: By Law, Even NCC Kid MUST Address REC(NS) "Sir", Right?
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Hhaha speaking of salute,i remember when i was in service,my unit RO publish something like we have to salute to officers even NCC ones!!!!
HHahaha but do you think we will,well i don't even salute to officers that i don't know in unit.(in BMT have lah)
Anyway got tag or don't have also nvm lah,durning my time we nsfs also don't have the tag
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i can see ur love for ncc, by ur S/CLT rank... getting this rank requires lots of dedication...Originally posted by pr0n:First of all, i'm a S/CLT from NCC.
I do not deny that a number of cadets from our side tend to think that wah, just because i put on an army uniform and do some basic army stuff, i must be respected as any other soldier. Most of us will never get to understand what a real NSF goes thru until BMT.
I also agree that a large number of cadets tend to put us in the wrong limelight like doing loads of stuff that obviously should not be done such as plaing LAN in No.4, or blasting MP3 in public areas. I make sure my own cadets do not behave in such ways.
But I refuse to be dismissed as a mere kid who should be denied the Singapore tag, or even the uniform, just because some bugger who went thru NS thinks he deserves respect for being put under lots of crap for 2 years, and later feels its a waste of time anyway.
In NCC, we do not train like NSF. Instead of digging trenches, we do paintball. Instead of doing proper camoflage, we try to stuff as much leaves in our pockets, hide somewhere and hope not to be seen. Instead of combat simulations using live ammo, we lay prone and fire 20 rounds once or twice our whole NCC time in few years.
But we learn to be leaders in our corps, just like officers and specs learn to be leaders of men(although what we learn definitely doesnt stack up to them). We learn not to complain when the going gets tough, just like recruits going thru their BMT. Most of all, we learn TO TAKE PRIDE IN OUR NATION, just like EVERY SINGLE NSF, NSMEN OR REGULAR IS EXPECTED TO.
Granted, what we do is a small fraction of the real SAF, and we may not deserve as much respect as SAF personnel do. But that does not mean we should be shunned as kids who know nuts about serving their nation, because contrary to what many believe, the things we do in a way still does contribute to the nation, albeit being limited to age-friendly activities. And we learn to love and respect, and serve the nation as much as any SAF personnel or even Singaporean should. I daresay, on a personal note, that even in my age, should Singapore go to war, I'll gladly drop my studies and volunteer for early service(I am of age for voulntary service), as I love and want to fight for it as much as any grown personnel would. Call me immature and naive if you will.
I do not have the Singapore tag on my uniform, but I would like to get it as soon as I can, because I take as much pride as any other SAF personnel serving Singapore in my own way. Do I deserve the tag? You be the judge.
P.S Some things for your clarification:
1) NCC cadets and cadet officers such as cadet lieutenants are lower in rank then any SAF personnel. Please do not salute any CLTs. Cadet officers can be differentiated from NCC Teacher Officers by the white stripe on their epaulettes.
2) I'm not sure what the instruction is for SAF personnel, but NCC cadets and cadet officers are to salute NCC officers.
3) With regards to personal bearing in public, NCC cadets are expected to follow the same guidelines as SAF personnel, and I believe that MPs can catch these cadets should they violate the guidelines.
u haf not been thru NS, so do not overestimate AND underestimate NS training...
"Instead of doing proper camoflage, we try to stuff as much leaves in our pockets, hide somewhere and hope not to be seen. Instead of combat simulations using live ammo, we lay prone and fire 20 rounds once or twice our whole NCC time in few years."
during BMT, most likely u'll undergo those camouflage lesson (5min to camou w leaves n hide) onli once (not toking abt infantry based vocatns), most NSFs olso stuff leaves n hide aniwhere.... onli difference is having camou paint on ur face
except for range, i dun tink there r ani combat simulations using live rounds... it's either bang bang bang or use blanks....
except for infantry vocations, in fact many nsfs r not realli familiar with IFC
dun dismiss nsf/nsmen who tinks ns is a waste of time as buggers...u haf not been thru it
many CLTs hope to go to ocs... hope u get wat u want -
the clts in my BMT and sispec platoon tend to be the most cockup and unlikable as they are antisocial and not team players and they tend to be very yaya..even instructors got irritated by them...Originally posted by khk:i can see ur love for ncc, by ur S/CLT rank... getting this rank requires lots of dedication...
u haf not been thru NS, so do not overestimate AND underestimate NS training...
"Instead of doing proper camoflage, we try to stuff as much leaves in our pockets, hide somewhere and hope not to be seen. Instead of combat simulations using live ammo, we lay prone and fire 20 rounds once or twice our whole NCC time in few years."
during BMT, most likely u'll undergo those camouflage lesson (5min to camou w leaves n hide) onli once (not toking abt infantry based vocatns), most NSFs olso stuff leaves n hide aniwhere.... onli difference is having camou paint on ur face
except for range, i dun tink there r ani combat simulations using live rounds... it's either bang bang bang or use blanks....
except for infantry vocations, in fact many nsfs r not realli familiar with IFC
dun dismiss nsf/nsmen who tinks ns is a waste of time as buggers...u haf not been thru it
many CLTs hope to go to ocs... hope u get wat u want
..the ones that could be depended on were the smokers..hahahahhaa
but honestly..i'd rather the kids wear the NCC tag on their breast pocket instead of the Singapore tag....just not right -
Serving an organization is different from serving the nation.
This is coming from an ex ncc cadet, waiting for enlistment. -
+1 to thatOriginally posted by Rockhound:the clts in my BMT and sispec platoon tend to be the most cockup and unlikable as they are antisocial and not team players and they tend to be very yaya..even instructors got irritated by them...
But don't worry, there's a shift in all the C&B in HQ. And perhaps you were unlucky to meet with such ex-CLTs. Being a CLT myself, I can assure you that I'm more concerned with getting things done and avoiding any punishments than to worry bout scoring points big time and being high profile like some superstar. -
anybody got bad experience with an ex-clt during BMT?? care to share?
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Hey...not getting confrontational...but are u like trying to slam the CLT corp. or something? Ps. if you are against a particular person, please shoot your arrows at that person and not unleash a cloud of arrows hitting those whom are not like that.Originally posted by sg mata:anybody got bad experience with an ex-clt during BMT?? care to share? -
Talking bout NCC CLT's. Anyone know Gary Neo?
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aiyah. I've come to the conclusion that since their going to have the tag anyway, let's just quit arguing and close this thread. We can't change anything anyway, and the rotten apples will sill remain on the ground.
The tag doesn't mean much anyway. It's just a piece of cloth, don't wste anymore of your time arguing.
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+1...moreover I have to change my name tag also...machiam I like the extra work liddat.Originally posted by chanjyj:aiyah. I've come to the conclusion that since their going to have the tag anyway, let's just quit arguing and close this thread. We can't change anything anyway, and the rotten apples will sill remain on the ground.
The tag doesn't mean much anyway. It's just a piece of cloth, don't wste anymore of your time arguing. -
yah loh, waste time n money sewing these shit tags. i wonder who came up w these, imagine how many personnel in SAF n the tax payer's money to make n issue these tags... n personal money, time n effort to sew these tags for god-knows-wat purpose. i haf nothing to say if they spend millions on new weaponry, but spend so much money n trouble on pieces of cloth? somemore reduce camouflage of No.4 uniform... sorry but i dun c the rationale of such policies.Originally posted by SpecOps87:+1...moreover I have to change my name tag also...machiam I like the extra work liddat.
i noe this thread shld close but just to make some ending comments. -
well saidOriginally posted by pr0n:First of all, i'm a S/CLT from NCC.
I do not deny that a number of cadets from our side tend to think that wah, just because i put on an army uniform and do some basic army stuff, i must be respected as any other soldier. Most of us will never get to understand what a real NSF goes thru until BMT.
I also agree that a large number of cadets tend to put us in the wrong limelight like doing loads of stuff that obviously should not be done such as plaing LAN in No.4, or blasting MP3 in public areas. I make sure my own cadets do not behave in such ways.
But I refuse to be dismissed as a mere kid who should be denied the Singapore tag, or even the uniform, just because some bugger who went thru NS thinks he deserves respect for being put under lots of crap for 2 years, and later feels its a waste of time anyway.
In NCC, we do not train like NSF. Instead of digging trenches, we do paintball. Instead of doing proper camoflage, we try to stuff as much leaves in our pockets, hide somewhere and hope not to be seen. Instead of combat simulations using live ammo, we lay prone and fire 20 rounds once or twice our whole NCC time in few years.
But we learn to be leaders in our corps, just like officers and specs learn to be leaders of men(although what we learn definitely doesnt stack up to them). We learn not to complain when the going gets tough, just like recruits going thru their BMT. Most of all, we learn TO TAKE PRIDE IN OUR NATION, just like EVERY SINGLE NSF, NSMEN OR REGULAR IS EXPECTED TO.
Granted, what we do is a small fraction of the real SAF, and we may not deserve as much respect as SAF personnel do. But that does not mean we should be shunned as kids who know nuts about serving their nation, because contrary to what many believe, the things we do in a way still does contribute to the nation, albeit being limited to age-friendly activities. And we learn to love and respect, and serve the nation as much as any SAF personnel or even Singaporean should. I daresay, on a personal note, that even in my age, should Singapore go to war, I'll gladly drop my studies and volunteer for early service(I am of age for voulntary service), as I love and want to fight for it as much as any grown personnel would. Call me immature and naive if you will.
I do not have the Singapore tag on my uniform, but I would like to get it as soon as I can, because I take as much pride as any other SAF personnel serving Singapore in my own way. Do I deserve the tag? You be the judge.
P.S Some things for your clarification:
1) NCC cadets and cadet officers such as cadet lieutenants are lower in rank then any SAF personnel. Please do not salute any CLTs. Cadet officers can be differentiated from NCC Teacher Officers by the white stripe on their epaulettes.
2) I'm not sure what the instruction is for SAF personnel, but NCC cadets and cadet officers are to salute NCC officers.
3) With regards to personal bearing in public, NCC cadets are expected to follow the same guidelines as SAF personnel, and I believe that MPs can catch these cadets should they violate the guidelines. -
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no lar....i wanna noe how sum of the clts behave in BMT to the point that they annoy the rest of the recruits.......Originally posted by SpecOps87:Hey...not getting confrontational...but are u like trying to slam the CLT corp. or something? Ps. if you are against a particular person, please shoot your arrows at that person and not unleash a cloud of arrows hitting those whom are not like that.
you CLT rite? wad intake and district?? if you dont mind me asking.......