SAF Officer sentenced to jail in JB for not choping passport
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actually if a terrorist or anyone from singapore wants to escape into malaysia, all they have to do is clear the singapore side of the customs. in malaysia, you could just drive straight through without stopping and no one would blink an eye, especially if you're on a malaysian registered vehicle.Originally posted by the Bear:here, from what is being said, he went through the immigration counters without stopping.. that makes him an illegal immigrant..
however, there is a responsibility of duty on the part of the immigration fellas in malaysia to not allow a counter to be open where a car can just drive past without anyone knowing...
so, if a terrorist decides to go into malaysia, that's the way to go huh? -
Wah. can those customs officer strip search me for no valid reason, with no court issued warrant or anything?
If so, I'd turn my car around and go back to Singapore than to kena this kinda nonsense for no reason man. -
And that sums up to you being cheap in making comments in SGF...Originally posted by stooki:no leh.... but m'sia got many good shopping places n attractions, n everything very cheap n food very sedap.....
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Wrong. I know everything doesn't work by the book. However, as the need to use the phrase "by the book" suggest, you and I know that there are rules that are supposed to be followed and that there are consequences for not following them. The fact that things do not always do by the book doesn't mean the law is never going to be enforced.Originally posted by nismoS132:i take it from your response you're not a regular visitor across the causeway. you're too naive to believe that everything there works like in singapore - by the book.
You do the crime, now do the time. Fair cop as far as I am concerned. Sympathy for him, yes but not to the extent that I think he should be let off or that this is not his fault. -
on one hand they are trying to encourage singaporeans to visit malaysia, on the other they keep doing things that works exactly the other way.
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they got so many illegal immigrants. if everyone jail 3 months, you think they got enough place to put meh?
this is selective enforcement lar. the saf officer is wrong but 3 months is too harsh lar.
do you guys think at the point when they arrested him they know he is saf officer? -
Donkey years ago my buddy (also an SAF officer) threw a cigarette butt at JB bus terminal suddenly a man standing next to him showed his warrant card and told him to report to the Police Post which also happen to be a tailor shop(undercover operation)
At the tailor shop there were cops and they demanded that he pay a fine of 10 ringgit.He was furious and told them that he is also a govenrment servant in SIngapore....suddenly the fine shot up to $50 sing dollars.We all got into a heated argument then they wanted to cuff and detain him cuz now they dont want money when I realised it would be smarter to renegociate.Ended up $20 dollars poorer and cursing Malaysia all the way back.Got receipt some more!! -
that is why it is naive for you to think that way especially when you have not been a regular visitor. this argument is pointless because you insist on implementing the singaporean way of things in a malaysian system.Originally posted by scabstermooch:Wrong. I know everything doesn't work by the book. However, as the need to use the phrase "by the book" suggest, you and I know that there are rules that are supposed to be followed and that there are consequences for not following them. The fact that things do not always do by the book doesn't mean the law is never going to be enforced.
You do the crime, now do the time. Fair cop as far as I am concerned. Sympathy for him, yes but not to the extent that I think he should be let off or that this is not his fault. -
I respect your guts. Technically, i believe if you tell them you are government agent from Singapore, they also don't give a damn. Even if you say you are ISD, they also don't blink an eye (though you might have problems with ISD for exposing your status when you return home haha).Originally posted by Short Ninja:Donkey years ago my buddy (also an SAF officer) threw a cigarette butt at JB bus terminal suddenly a man standing next to him showed his warrant card and told him to report to the Police Post which also happen to be a tailor shop(undercover operation)
At the tailor shop there were cops and they demanded that he pay a fine of 10 ringgit.He was furious and told them that he is also a govenrment servant in SIngapore....suddenly the fine shot up to $50 sing dollars.We all got into a heated argument then they wanted to cuff and detain him cuz now they dont want money when I realised it would be smarter to renegociate.Ended up $20 dollars poorer and cursing Malaysia all the way back.Got receipt some more!!
Let's put it this way. Supposing you are governmant servant, and you whipped out your pistol (assuming you have lah) and shot the policeman. You think Singapore government will rescue you?
Contrast that to the time when a certain sultan from johor came to singapore, got stopped by a TP, and shot the TP. apparently he got away scot-free.
So basically, SG government servant in MY no big deal. -
No stamping on passports of s'porean visitors are done deliberately.Originally posted by Gordonator:Reported in Zao Bao today. for those who understand chinese, the article is below.
for those who don't, here's a brief summary. a 28 years old officer and his girlfriend was caught by malayisan police for not having their passports chopped at the JB check point. he was sentenced to 3 months of jail while his grilfriend is fined S$1315.
something fishy going on here. bias...
This is one very easy way for immigration officers to find ways
to earn extra income. Their tricks have been highlighted many
times in local press - so used to hearing it.
While the mistakes are done deliberately, it is the responsibility
of the visitors to get their passports stamped. -
I do not think so. In fact, I think your argument is pointless because, well, because you do not seem to be making much of a coherent point!Originally posted by nismoS132:that is why it is naive for you to think that way especially when you have not been a regular visitor. this argument is pointless because you insist on implementing the singaporean way of things in a malaysian system.
Are you telling me that malaysia is completely lawless? That in Malaysia the law is never enforced?
You really ought to stop reading the Strait Times and Lianhe Wanbao! Remember, all you need is 56 rapes/murders a year to have a report on a rape every week. If I owned a newspaper, I could make Singapore look like the rape/murder capital of the world! -
because of that i always make it a point to check that my passport is stamped before i walk away from the immigration booth.Originally posted by ninefold9:No stamping on passports of s'porean visitors are done deliberately.
This is one very easy way for immigration officers to find ways
to earn extra income. Their tricks have been highlighted many
times in local press - so used to hearing it.
While the mistakes are done deliberately, it is the responsibility
of the visitors to get their passports stamped. -
i don't even live in singapore anymore. the point is that i used to be a regular visitor to malaysia, going over at least once a week. to say that johor is lawless isn't an overstatement, singaporeans are regularly targetted for crimes there, and the police are in cahoots with them. have you ever seen a money changer located directly infront of a police station being robbed?Originally posted by scabstermooch:I do not think so. In fact, I think your argument is pointless because, well, because you do not seem to be making much of a coherent point!
Are you telling me that malaysia is completely lawless? That in Malaysia the law is never enforced?
You really ought to stop reading the Strait Times and Lianhe Wanbao! Remember, all you need is 56 rapes/murders a year to have a report on a rape every week. If I owned a newspaper, I could make Singapore look like the rape/murder capital of the world! -
Yes scabster youve made some good points here about the officer who didint check his passport ,it is in fact our sole responsibily to ensure that our passports get stamped.The story that I told has no relation to this case and the last time I was in Johor for a quickie was like 10 years ago but I firmly believe that such things are still going on over the other side of the border making SIngaporeans prone to unforeseen trouble.Sure there is rape and murder that are not fully reported by the press but law enforcement people setting up the unsuspected to filll their own pockets is almost unheard of in SIngapore.Not saying that SIngapore is boleh but just saying that Malaysia is tak boleh.
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So what is your point? That this guy is not at fault because in malaysia things are not always done 'by the book'?Originally posted by nismoS132:i don't even live in singapore anymore. the point is that i used to be a regular visitor to malaysia, going over at least once a week. to say that johor is lawless isn't an overstatement, singaporeans are regularly targetted for crimes there, and the police are in cahoots with them. have you ever seen a money changer located directly infront of a police station being robbed?
Or? -
You are right that JB almost certainly has a higher crime rate than Singapore! I just do not like the way some posters are arguing: Crime is high in Malaysia, There is corruption, therefore when a Singaporean gets caught doing something illegal, and is sent to jail, it is Malaysia that is at wrong.Originally posted by Short Ninja:Yes scabster youve made some good points here about the officer who didint check his passport ,it is in fact our sole responsibily to ensure that our passports get stamped.The story that I told has no relation to this case and the last time I was in Johor for a quickie was like 10 years ago but I firmly believe that such things are still going on over the other side of the border making SIngaporeans prone to unforeseen trouble.Sure there is rape and murder that are not fully reported by the press but law enforcement people setting up the unsuspected to filll their own pockets is almost unheard of in SIngapore.Not saying that SIngapore is boleh but just saying that Malaysia is tak boleh.
That is simply absurd and IMO is an eg of how nationalist feelings can blind even the most rational people. -
noted. i'll be extra careful if i were to go malaysia next time.Originally posted by ninefold9:No stamping on passports of s'porean visitors are done deliberately.
This is one very easy way for immigration officers to find ways to earn extra income. Their tricks have been highlighted many times in local press - so used to hearing it.
While the mistakes are done deliberately, it is the responsibility of the visitors to get their passports stamped.
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can summarised wat happened?
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hmmz most pple discussing about whether its wrong to punish the guy but for me i don't know the full story and don't want to comment too much but i'm more interested in the differing punishments for the male and female for the same offence
but then again we all know that the MY system is screwed........ -
actually i think the singapore customs also can do thatOriginally posted by Shotgun:Wah. can those customs officer strip search me for no valid reason, with no court issued warrant or anything?
If so, I'd turn my car around and go back to Singapore than to kena this kinda nonsense for no reason man.
makes one wonder if such powers should be given to these pple though -
i think the Malaysian ISD will detain you instead... heh.Originally posted by LetterboxMind:I respect your guts. Technically, i believe if you tell them you are government agent from Singapore, they also don't give a damn. Even if you say you are ISD, they also don't blink an eye (though you might have problems with ISD for exposing your status when you return home haha).
Let's put it this way. Supposing you are governmant servant, and you whipped out your pistol (assuming you have lah) and shot the policeman. You think Singapore government will rescue you?
Contrast that to the time when a certain sultan from johor came to singapore, got stopped by a TP, and shot the TP. apparently he got away scot-free.
So basically, SG government servant in MY no big deal. -
technically, the guy is at wrong. but it is wrong to punish him. punishing him will not solve the problem of corrupt and lazy immigration staff and police officers.Originally posted by scabstermooch:So what is your point? That this guy is not at fault because in malaysia things are not always done 'by the book'?
Or? -
(from Sin Chew Daily)
TAN CHAI HO: A SINGAPOREAN COUPLE SENTENCED TO IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT HAVING THEIR PASSPORTS STAMPED
MORE CONVINCING EVIDENCE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO COURT
(Petaling Jaya-2
On the matter that a Singaporean couple was sentenced to imprisonment for illegal entry as their passports were not stamped, Deputy Home Affairs Minister Datuk Tan Chai Ho said if the couple has more convincing evidence, they should submit it to court.
He said court lays great stress on evidence. The court focused on whether or not the couple's passports were stamped when it made a ruling.
Meanwhile, Tan Chai Ho also denied the accusation made by the male accused that Malaysia's immigration counter was not manned by any officer when they drove through the Malaysian checkpoint.
He said immigration officers are working shifts round-the-clock. It is impossible that immigration counters are not manned.
He pointed out that the Immigration Department or prosecutor would not have brought the couple to court if they had not made thorough investigations and had a complete understanding of the whole matter.
"If the couple had taken out their passports, why their passports were not stamped? That's a doubt."
He said it remains a mystery as to how the couple got into Malaysia or whether they had produced their passports.
Nevertheless, he said media reports over this matter can help heighten the people's vigilance. Also, he urged people to check if their passports are stamped when they come in and out of Malaysia in order to avoid the recurrence of such incident.
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i think the prosecutor has never actually gone there to take a look -
As I said, nationalism is an ugly thing to behold.Originally posted by nismoS132:technically, the guy is at wrong. but it is wrong to punish him. punishing him will not solve the problem of corrupt and lazy immigration staff and police officers. -
Originally posted by the Bear:
This Tan Chai Ho seems to be a fool. How does someone get to his position by being so un media saavy? He should have kept his mouth shut and let the thing blow over. Mr Tan, the Public has a very very very short attention span and given some time, they will forget the matter.
(from Sin Chew Daily)
[b]TAN CHAI HO: A SINGAPOREAN COUPLE SENTENCED TO IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT HAVING THEIR PASSPORTS STAMPED
MORE CONVINCING EVIDENCE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO COURT
(Petaling Jaya-2 On the matter that a Singaporean couple was sentenced to imprisonment for illegal entry as their passports were not stamped, Deputy Home Affairs Minister Datuk Tan Chai Ho said if the couple has more convincing evidence, they should submit it to court.
He said court lays great stress on evidence. The court focused on whether or not the couple's passports were stamped when it made a ruling.
Meanwhile, Tan Chai Ho also denied the accusation made by the male accused that Malaysia's immigration counter was not manned by any officer when they drove through the Malaysian checkpoint.
He said immigration officers are working shifts round-the-clock. It is impossible that immigration counters are not manned.
He pointed out that the Immigration Department or prosecutor would not have brought the couple to court if they had not made thorough investigations and had a complete understanding of the whole matter.
"If the couple had taken out their passports, why their passports were not stamped? That's a doubt."
He said it remains a mystery as to how the couple got into Malaysia or whether they had produced their passports.
Nevertheless, he said media reports over this matter can help heighten the people's vigilance. Also, he urged people to check if their passports are stamped when they come in and out of Malaysia in order to avoid the recurrence of such incident.
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i think the prosecutor has never actually gone there to take a look
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Here endeth the lesson fool.