SAF Officer sentenced to jail in JB for not choping passport
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What immigration fellow? The guy drive through knowing that something was wrong! Then the fool sort of showed his passport to the toll-collector. The toll-collector is not an immigration official so naturally he would not have known why this joker is showing him the passport.Originally posted by sbst275:If that's the case, why the immigration fellow did not even remind?
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Originally posted by scabstermooch:What immigration fellow? The guy drive through knowing that something was wrong! Then the fool sort of showed his passport to the toll-collector. The toll-collector is not an immigration official so naturally he would not have known why this joker is showing him the passport.
So what? That goes to show the working attitude...
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from the news, we know that if anyone drives past an immigration booth in singapore without stopping, the whole bloody checkpoint is locked down immediately and the one who drove through is detained for questioning... and if it was deliberate, the person is charged in court...
here, what happened?
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What working attitude. If I am operating a toll booth, sitting on my arrse for 8 hours a day, and some foreigner shoves his passport onto the counter with the toll, I would take the money and return him the change together with his passport, thinking that this is weird ... then go back to the monotonous task of collecting money.Originally posted by sbst275:
So what? That goes to show the working attitude...
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So that means over at SG, an Malaysian car dun bother to pay the road toll, the immigration officer also blink one eye?Originally posted by scabstermooch:What working attitude. If I am operating a toll booth, sitting on my arrse for 8 hours a day, and some foreigner shoves his passport onto the counter with the toll, I would take the money and return him the change together with his passport, thinking that this is weird ... then go back to the monotonous task of collecting money. -
No. It means that on the SG end, if someone gave the toll-collector his passport, he would almost certainly just hand the passport back and wave im on. Because it is not his job to check passports. Unless the person spoke english/chinese/malay/indian(?), the perhaps he could understand the situation.Originally posted by sbst275:So that means over at SG, an Malaysian car dun bother to pay the road toll, the immigration officer also blink one eye?
You dun seem to understand what happened here.
Guy drove to empty immigration counter. No one at counter. He drove on. He knew something wasn't right. So further on he gave the person at the toll-booth his passport. That person gave him his passport back. He drove on w/o checking his passport. -
You dun even understandOriginally posted by scabstermooch:No. It means that on the SG end, if someone gave the toll-collector his passport, he would almost certainly just hand the passport back and wave im on. Because it is not his job to check passports. Unless the person spoke english/chinese/malay/indian(?), the perhaps he could understand the situation.
You dun seem to understand what happened here.
Guy drove to empty immigration counter. No one at counter. He drove on. He knew something wasn't right. So further on he gave the person at the toll-booth his passport. That person gave him his passport back. He drove on w/o checking his passport.
There's a toll payment machine at the counter which payment is done using a cashcard (For local) or Autopass (Malaysian cars) which is self service
The officer handling with the passport also has to make sure that the toll is paid as well as the passports are properly stamped -
actually, this is something...
finally.. someone is punished for his own stupidity
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Originally posted by the Bear:actually, this is something...
finally.. someone is punished for his own stupidity -
I gather you are talking about the Singapore system? THe issue at hand is Malaysia's system. Do they operate the same system in Malaysia?Originally posted by sbst275:You dun even understand
There's a toll payment machine at the counter which payment is done using a cashcard (For local) or Autopass (Malaysian cars) which is self service
The officer handling with the passport also has to make sure that the toll is paid as well as the passports are properly stamped
I passed through JB checkpoint a few months ago and did not recall the toll-collector asking for my passport, just for my money.
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Alrdy Bear has said what I want to say abt if someone attempts to break thru the checkpoint w/o proper passport clearacnceOriginally posted by scabstermooch:I gather you are talking about the Singapore system? THe issue at hand is Malaysia's system. Do they operate the same system in Malaysia?
I passed through JB checkpoint a few months ago and did not recall the toll-collector asking for my passport, just for my money. -
And how is that relevent except to say that Singapore has tighter immigration controls?Originally posted by sbst275:Alrdy Bear has said what I want to say abt if someone attempts to break thru the checkpoint w/o proper passport clearacnce
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Do you know that in Singapore, that officer would get into trouble if he just allows the person to enter just like that?Originally posted by scabstermooch:And how is that relevent except to say that Singapore has tighter immigration controls?
He is still guilty of illegal entry and or recklessness. Too bad.
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Well things would really be upside down if a judge told an illegal immigrant that although all the evidence points to him doing the crime, it was not in fact his fault but the country's fault and therefore he should be let free...Oh no no no...he should be compensated and be apologized to.Originally posted by sbst275:Do you know that in Singapore, that officer would get into trouble if he just allows the person to enter just like that?
It's only that in Malaysia, things goes upside down...
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the moral of the story, always check your passport of the stamp when crossing any immigration. Also don't be sia lan with the immigration officer, cos they can do something nasty to you as it's within their power. eg strip search. Lastly most of the malaysia immigration officer will let you pass with some nice gratitude.
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you are just protecting that offical who simply refuses to pull the triggerOriginally posted by scabstermooch:Well things would really be upside down if a judge told an illegal immigrant that although all the evidence points to him doing the crime, it was not in fact his fault but the country's fault and therefore he should be let free...Oh no no no...he should be compensated and be apologized to.
What if it was a terrorist? JB would have been bomned -
here, from what is being said, he went through the immigration counters without stopping.. that makes him an illegal immigrant..
however, there is a responsibility of duty on the part of the immigration fellas in malaysia to not allow a counter to be open where a car can just drive past without anyone knowing...
so, if a terrorist decides to go into malaysia, that's the way to go huh?
and by default, think about it... if a terrorist gets into malaysia (looks easy enough after this incident, right? ) and wants to come into singapore, he can just waltz through malaysian side toward singapore... so singapore side has to be bloody vigilant because the other side doesn't seem to give a flying rat's ass...
also, if you are a criminal on the run, you can escape from malaysia and they probably won't know either..
sad state of affairs...
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the way i see it, yes that guy was wrong. he shouldn't drive through eventhough there was one at the counter. it's the same as u went into a department store to buy something and see no one at the counter, u won't exit without paying right? logically speaking one should wait until someone comes back.
but having said that i think the punishment is a bit too harsh. co afterall it's also partly the counter's fault as he or she shouldn't leave the counter until someone replaces him or her. -
Ya clearly whoever vacated the counter ought to have blocked off the road. Btw, criminals on the run in Singapore get away pretty easy too.Originally posted by the Bear:here, from what is being said, he went through the immigration counters without stopping.. that makes him an illegal immigrant..
however, there is a responsibility of duty on the part of the immigration fellas in malaysia to not allow a counter to be open where a car can just drive past without anyone knowing...
so, if a terrorist decides to go into malaysia, that's the way to go huh?
and by default, think about it... if a terrorist gets into malaysia (looks easy enough after this incident, right? ) and wants to come into singapore, he can just waltz through malaysian side toward singapore... so singapore side has to be bloody vigilant because the other side doesn't seem to give a flying rat's ass...
also, if you are a criminal on the run, you can escape from malaysia and they probably won't know either..
sad state of affairs...
but all this matters little to the guy in prison right now...
Our bark is more potent than our bite me thinks. -
What could possibly be solved under $50 ends up with a jail term. This guy could be a damn stubborn guy who just wants to test the system.
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yeah.. well, not all systems are foolproof
but it doesn't help with negligence of people at workOriginally posted by scabstermooch:Ya clearly whoever vacated the counter ought to have blocked off the road. Btw, criminals on the run in Singapore get away pretty easy too.
Our bark is more potent than our bite me thinks. -
something similar to the wireless piggyback-ing case.
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on the controversy. i think he don't know the system. if he had known that $10 or $20 would have settle the thing easily, he would have already done it.Originally posted by KoolKool:What could possibly be solved under $50 ends up with a jail term. This guy could be a damn stubborn guy who just wants to test the system. -
remind the Indonesian Immigration that Singapore Passport REMAINS the PROPERTY of the GOVERNMENT of the Republic of Singapore.Originally posted by Short Ninja:Many Years ago when I was using a Singapore Passport Ive had the pages torn by Immigrasi Indonesia ,not chop a few times by Imigresen Malaysia & even overstayed in Thailand for 10 days.At the very most just pay money or say sorry except for the indonesian case where my Passport was vandalized by an officer becuase I refused to give Ang Pow on Chinese New Year.This story about going to jail is pretty scary man!!maybe more scary than Malaysians paying a fine,going to jail & getting caned!
And vandalising the passport is vandalising Government property..
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i take it from your response you're not a regular visitor across the causeway. you're too naive to believe that everything there works like in singapore - by the book.Originally posted by scabstermooch:Not at all. IMO, people here are too quick to believe him. It is never OK to just enter a country without getting permission to enter. It is called illegal immigration. Singapore regularly sends illegal immigrants to jail and for caning.
It is not as if the customs official took his passport and did not stamp it. The situation is that he did not give his passport to any customs official. He is therefore either very naive, very reckless or very guilty. On all counts, he should be punished as a reminder to him. Perhaps the punishment is a little too harsh but it is their country and they are allowed to make their own laws.