Originally posted by BroInChrist:There's nothing wrong with attacking worldviews and ideas per se, but we should try to refrain from attacking people. I know it is hard to do that, but at least we should try. Agree?
well... i agree and i din really follow through all your long posts. Not sure when it had become a personal attack. But u said that there is nth wrong attacking worldviews. But u said it is wrong for atheist to attack christian world views. So which is which? im confused!
Originally posted by sgdiehard:you know what you know, you don't know what you don't know.
Actually it was said that Jesus went to China, where he taught the Chinese what is righteousness, 義，it is a lamb covering me, indicating that we are made righteous because of the sacrifice of the lamb, Jesus, on the cross, so the word 義 should be written with the word lamb 羔 on top of the word me, 我.
He also taught them the story of Noah, so the word ship, 船，should be writen as a boat, 舟， with 8 persons, Noah's family of 8, 八�. That is how the word 船 is written.
You do know that there is no biblical (or any other) evidence whatsoever for the idea that Jesus went to China (or India), right? Nor did he ever speak of China in his teachings.
Furthermore:
As Carl Sagan noted, “It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.” We should keep an open mind for various possibilities, but we must always examine claims with a critical eye.
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
LOL... and when china was the origin of chinese words? u refuse to take a look at that? hahaha... posted a link and u can take a look at it. I believe you claimed TCMC has a closed mind? hmmm.... pot calling kettle black =D
you still think that the ç¹�é«”å— of å…« is 扒?
The written chinese of 一，二，三，四，五，å…，七，八，ä¹�，å��， is 壹ã€�è´°ã€�å��ã€�肆ã€�ä¼�ã€�陆ã€�柒ã€�æ�Œã€�玖ã€�拾. One is numeric, the other is written language, just like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10，is written as One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten.
You want to get involved in name calling? leave me out.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:you still think that the ç¹�é«”å— of å…« is 扒?
The written chinese of 一，二，三，四，五，å…，七，八，ä¹�，å��， is 壹ã€�è´°ã€�å��ã€�肆ã€�ä¼�ã€�陆ã€�柒ã€�æ�Œã€�玖ã€�拾. One is numeric, the other is written language, just like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10，is written as One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten.
You want to get involved in name calling? leave me out.
Eh you purposely ignore my question ah?
Originally posted by reasonable.atheist:You do know that there is no biblical (or any other) evidence whatsoever for the idea that Jesus went to China (or India), right? Nor did he ever speak of China in his teachings.
Furthermore:
- Putting aside why Mary and Joseph would want to bring Jesus to China, Travelling overland across Asia was an epic journey in those days. It would have taken many years, and the chances are that the travellers would have died. Marco Polo undertook his famous journey in a similar route, but that was 1,000 years later.
- Animal sacrifice was common in China in the ancients times, long before Jesus was born. I think the traditional character for 牺 is 犧, which you'll notice contains both a cow and a lamb, as well as no "我".
- It's not important that the traditional version of å‡ , is å¹¾. Tcmc's point remains that the correct way of writing 船 is not with a å…«. In addition, Chinese characters came into their modern form about 200 BCE, so the word 船 may actually predate Christ.
As Carl Sagan noted, “It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.” We should keep an open mind for various possibilities, but we must always examine claims with a critical eye.
hahaha...I dont want to discuss about Jesus going to China, the same way I don't want to discuss about Jesus going to India. I just want to show how easy that anybody can make a simple assumption and get everybody scramble to prove it right or wrong. We can continue to discuss about chinese words, sacrifices in the views of the chinese, and christians...but I am not entering in any discussion about Jesus being a Hindu monk, like you said, with a fallen out brain.
I accept fully what you said.
"You do know that there is no biblical (or any other) evidence whatsoever for the idea that Jesus went to China (or India), right? Nor did he ever speak of China in his teachings."
Thank you.
Originally posted by Tcmc:Eh you purposely ignore my question ah?
refer to my post to reasonable.atheist.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:you still think that the ç¹�é«”å— of å…« is 扒?
The written chinese of 一，二，三，四，五，å…，七，八，ä¹�，å��， is 壹ã€�è´°ã€�å��ã€�肆ã€�ä¼�ã€�陆ã€�柒ã€�æ�Œã€�玖ã€�拾. One is numeric, the other is written language, just like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10，is written as One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten.
You want to get involved in name calling? leave me out.
oh and i tink i posted a reply saying that we are all wrong. Mayb u can read properly first.
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
well... i agree and i din really follow through all your long posts. Not sure when it had become a personal attack. But u said that there is nth wrong attacking worldviews. But u said it is wrong for atheist to attack christian world views. So which is which? im confused!
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
oh and i tink i posted a reply saying that we are all wrong. Mayb u can read properly first.
What is wrong?
wrong when i said 八 is 扒 and wrong when u said 八 is the most original version. No older version of it.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:I don't look for evidence to prove a miracle.
What are the muslim miracles, the buddhist miracles, the taoist miracles?
1. But the bible says you got to be well equipped to provide answers for nonchristians. Wouldnt it be better you think, if you look for the evidence for the miracles? Either that or there's no evidence. It's very clear cut. Got evidence - You should find. No evidence - Just say no evidence. What's so hard?
2. According to the quran - Muhammed ascended into heaven, just like Jesus did. Muhammed was also illiterate but yet he wrote most the quran himself, "inspired" by angels, like how the bible is "inspired" by God.
If you speak to taoists in singapore, they will tell you how their prayers were answered by the Gods. And how taoist mediums are able to help them speak to the spirits. These are miracles to them. Also some taoists believe that the Jade Emperor created humans from clay, like in the Genesis book in the bible.
What do you think of these miracles?
Originally posted by sgdiehard:refer to my post to reasonable.atheist.
1. It was you who brought up the issue that jesus went to china. Now when we showed you that you are wrong, you say "hahaha...I dont want to discuss about Jesus going to China,"................. Wow.
2. Anyway you have not explained to me why you say that å‡ is å…«? The å‡ on the 船 has always been a å‡ and not a å…«. You have not explained
Originally posted by Tcmc:1. It was you who brought up the issue that jesus went to china. Now when we showed you that you are wrong, you say "hahaha...I dont want to discuss about Jesus going to China,"................. Wow.
2. Anyway you have not explained to me why you say that å‡ is å…«? The å‡ on the 船 has always been a å‡ and not a å…«. You have not explained
lols... persistent sia u!
Originally posted by Tcmc:1. It was you who brought up the issue that jesus went to china. Now when we showed you that you are wrong, you say "hahaha...I dont want to discuss about Jesus going to China,"................. Wow.
2. Anyway you have not explained to me why you say that å‡ is å…«? The å‡ on the 船 has always been a å‡ and not a å…«. You have not explained
"I just want to show how easy that anybody can make a simple assumption and get everybody scramble to prove it right or wrong."
"I accept fully that .....there is no biblical (or any other) evidence whatsoever for the idea that Jesus went to China (or India), right? Nor did he ever speak of China in his teachings."
Need to explain å‡ and å…«?
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:
lols... persistent sia u!
How can he make a wrong statement and then refuse to admit and just say "hahahaha i dont wanna talk about jesus going to china" when he was the one who brought up the issue first?
Plain irresponsible
Originally posted by sgdiehard:"I just want to show how easy that anybody can make a simple assumption and get everybody scramble to prove it right or wrong."
"I accept fully that .....there is no biblical (or any other) evidence whatsoever for the idea that Jesus went to China (or India), right? Nor did he ever speak of China in his teachings."
Need to explain å‡ and å…«?
Previously you said å‡ is å…« on the 船.
Now do you still think å‡ is å…« on the 船?
I have shown you that they are different
Originally posted by Tcmc:1. But the bible says you got to be well equipped to provide answers for nonchristians. Wouldnt it be better you think, if you look for the evidence for the miracles? Either that or there's no evidence. It's very clear cut. Got evidence - You should find. No evidence - Just say no evidence. What's so hard?
2. According to the quran - Muhammed ascended into heaven, just like Jesus did. Muhammed was also illiterate but yet he wrote most the quran himself, "inspired" by angels, like how the bible is "inspired" by God.
If you speak to taoists in singapore, they will tell you how their prayers were answered by the Gods. And how taoist mediums are able to help them speak to the spirits. These are miracles to them. Also some taoists believe that the Jade Emperor created humans from clay, like in the Genesis book in the bible.
What do you think of these miracles?
Non Christian uses the Bible to tell the Christians how to teach the non Christians about the Bible?....hehehehehehe..
I respect what the muslim and the taoist believe, what do I think? they can believe in what they believe, I believe in what I believe...what do you believe?
Originally posted by sgdiehard:Non Christian uses the Bible to tell the Christians how to teach the non Christians about the Bible?....hehehehehehe..
I respect what the muslim and the taoist believe, what do I think? they can believe in what they believe, I believe in what I believe...what do you believe?
1. You have not replied. You like to avoid the question and say irrelevant things. Got evidence or not?
2. I think the muslim and taoist miracles are as real as the christian miracles! You say you respect. Do you think they are as real as the christian miracles?
Originally posted by Tcmc:1. You have not replied. You like to avoid the question and say irrelevant things. Got evidence or not?
2. I think the muslim and taoist miracles are as real as the christian miracles! You say you respect. Do you think they are as real as the christian miracles?
If there are no miracles in other religions like Islam, Taoism and Buddhism, do you think there will still be so many followers for thousands of years till today? Of course, there are miracles in all religions and not just Christianity.
Sorry, this question should be directed to"sgdiehard".
Originally posted by Tcmc:1. You have not replied. You like to avoid the question and say irrelevant things. Got evidence or not?
2. I think the muslim and taoist miracles are as real as the christian miracles! You say you respect. Do you think they are as real as the christian miracles?
Your question 2. christianity teaches that anything is not of God is satanic. So I am not sure if other christians view those miracles from other religions as satanic.
miracles? are you even sure if they are miracles?
code of magic will reveal to you thats not magic. similarly so called miracles may not be miracle after all.
Originally posted by winsomeea:Your question 2. christianity teaches that anything is not of God is satanic. So I am not sure if other christians view those miracles from other religions as satanic.
Oh no. thats not nice...
Originally posted by Pinknutri:If there are no miracles in other religions like Islam, Taoism and Buddhism, do you think there will still be so many followers for thousands of years till today? Of course, there are miracles in all religions and not just Christianity.
Sorry, this question should be directed to"sgdiehard".
Christians believe supernatural power exists, and the power can do many things that man cannot explain or comprehend. In the Bible we read of supernatural power besides Jesus, but Jesus performed miracles to glorify God.
Therefore it is not against Christianity in the belief in supernatural power!
People are converted to Christianity not because of the work of supernatural power, or else they will change their faith everytime they see something they cannot explain. I believe the same goes for the muslims and the buddhists, you don't see them focus on miracles in their religious life. On the contrary, some Christians pay much attention to asking for miracles, such as divine healing. There is more to religion than just miracles.
Originally posted by Lucifer_tan:miracles? are you even sure if they are miracles?
code of magic will reveal to you thats not magic. similarly so called miracles may not be miracle after all.
that is very true.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:Christians believe supernatural power exists, and the power can do many things that man cannot explain or comprehend. In the Bible we read of supernatural power besides Jesus, but Jesus performed miracles to glorify God.
Therefore it is not against Christianity in the belief in supernatural power!
People are converted to Christianity not because of the work of supernatural power, or else they will change their faith everytime they see something they cannot explain. I believe the same goes for the muslims and the buddhists, you don't see them focus on miracles in their religious life. On the contrary, some Christians pay much attention to asking for miracles, such as divine healing. There is more to religion than just miracles.
Agreed.
Many people convert to Buddhism or Islam too because of the teachings, the experiences that they felt with their beliefs.
Same for cChristians.
Religions can be good.