Christian Arguments for God’s Existence - Refutations
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Rooney,
I take it as a compliment that you would fault me with possessing a Biblical worldview. The problem with many Christians today is that they lack such a worldview. I am surprised though that you actually hold to the correspondence theory of truth,, that truth means that which corresponds to reality. Perhaps you have forgotten what I have said earlier regarding that? There is ONE reality, with many ways of looking at it, but only ONE worldview will correspond with reality. And I have briefly laid them out as
1. Theism
2. Atheism
3. Pantheism
see what I mean lol. shunt out what you do not want to hear/read/listen and just reply on what you want to reply on
I know -
this is a one way communication. in that case dun bother about replying cos I will be posting what I am saying
and dun expect me to reply to you either 
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
That's just you engaging in personal attack and character assassination. Typical response of atheists. When you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger!
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Originally posted by Rooney_07:
see what I mean lol. shunt out what you do not want to hear/read/listen and just reply on what you want to reply on
I knowRooney,
Are you projecting?
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When one wears a label/ a badge one has already made it into a thing! - be it Islam (Muslim), Hinduism(Hindu), Buddhism(Buddhist), Chrisitianity (Christian) - one is merely a prisoner- one is bound by so many tenents. It limits one in many ways. It is an unfreeing experience, one is in bondage. However, when one is BEING Mohd, Being Krishna(?), Being Buddha or Being Christ - one is flowing and one is relating to oneself and vice versa. One embodies consciousness of being eg Christ or .... one is free and one is longer bound to .... Sadly, in today's organized religion it is more of rituals and rituals. One is no longer flowing one is merely trapped. Real religion is one who is loving, being kind, being grateful and I m sure many of us have across such a person. He or she has arrived. He/she has not alienated the ''God'' within him/herself. Many today are so alienated they go around searching looking for ''God'' (call whatever it may suit u) in a church , temple, mosque or ... When one cannot find ''God'' (or...) within him/herself one cannot find it in a church, temple , mosque or ... whehter one is an atheist, agnositc, theist - it is simply a belief - where did this belief come from - acquired from? To simply parrot something or others or to quote scriptures, sutras or .. is simply propping onself up with the latter. Unless, it is an experience (existential) all is simply mind-games - both psychological and social. The reader is free to reject or whatever suits him/her. PS - GOD is not a person or something that can be found sitting or overlooking - it is a mere projection of the mind's conditioning aka beliefs handed down over the millineum! If there is anything there is only that of experience which is only real to any of us when it is experiental - all esle is merely mired in concepts and trying to use the latter to self-define oneself or one's stance. It is a psychological placebo! It seem that man has created god in his his image and not the other way around - hence the delusion - in other words, man imposes colour on transparency, meaning one's own bigotry, conditionings, prejudices distorts what is.
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Originally posted by Fugazzi:
It seem that man has created god in his his image and not the other way around – hence the delusion – in other words, man imposes colour on transparency, meaning one’s own bigotry, conditionings, prejudices distorts what is.
of course it is. this is a irrefutable fact, which christians chose to ignore. you have to understand why religions occur initially. cos of ignorance and fear.
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Originally posted by Rooney_07:
of course it is. this is a irrefutable fact, which christians chose to ignore. you have to understand why religions occur initially. cos of ignorance and fear.
How about love and sharing ? Again I see personal hatred towards the Abrahamic religions. How about the 50 other kinds of religion out there that does not spread fear and ignorance, but faith and belief to be connected in some way with their creator ?The message of love and all that good stuff. Where do you think your laws come from ? You guys talk as if religions is so bad that if there was no religion at all, there would have been world peace and all that good stuff that follows. Come on.. really ?
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xtianity is the point of discussion here, not Islam or Judaism..
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So what are u doing here. Are u a Christian ?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
So what are u doing here. Are u a Christian ?
BadMaroz
Engaging nonchristians is always good.
Just like how christians should also engage muslims, hindus etc.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
So what are u doing here. Are u a Christian ?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BadMaroz
Engaging nonchristians is always good.
Just like how christians should also engage muslims, hindus etc.
As far as i can see, i do not think engagement is their intentionThey are hell bent to troll other forumers
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BadMaroz
Engaging nonchristians is always good.
Just like how christians should also engage muslims, hindus etc.
Sharing of religious belief is good, only with an open mind. what is engage? before getting married?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Sharing of religious belief is good, only with an open mind. what is engage? before getting married?
sgdiehard.
If you are telling me you dont know the meaning of engage, then it really spoils your credibility of your answers...
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard.
If you are telling me you dont know the meaning of engage, then it really spoils your credibility of your answers...
abt to say that too... -
Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard.
If you are telling me you dont know the meaning of engage, then it really spoils your credibility of your answers...
I know my definition of engage, it just mean to contact and to know, understand but not necessarily agree, accept it as your opinion but I dont' have to accept it to be mine. How does that spoils my credibility?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I know my definition of engage, it just mean to contact and to know, understand but not necessarily agree, accept it as your opinion but I dont' have to accept it to be mine. How does that spoils my credibility?
Lol you didnt seem to know the meaning of engage. Maybe you just checked it up
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Lol you didnt seem to know the meaning of engage. Maybe you just checked it up
Obviously my definition is different from yours. What is "engage" to you?
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In this case, do we use Oxford dictionary, Articles 15 or Coxford Singlish to define?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
BadMaroz
Engaging nonchristians is always good.
Just like how christians should also engage muslims, hindus etc.
I am glad you know that, but there are boundaries and respect. You cannot be condencending. And where there are differences, must know where you are when the differences are immediate. And where you are when you are making such statements. Same goes for me. Same goes for everyone. I dont have any of these problems in real life when discussion with christians and non-christians alike.
When our differences are evident e.g your understanding of Truth vs my Truth. Then at that point we both agree that we agree in disagreeing. Especially when we have made valid points and both side, have stood on each other's side and understood what it means in each other's context.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
I am glad you know that, but there are boundaries and respect. You cannot be condencending. And where there are differences, must know where you are when the differences are immediate. And where you are when you are making such statements. Same goes for me. Same goes for everyone. I dont have any of these problems in real life when discussion with christians and non-christians alike.
When our differences are evident e.g your understanding of Truth vs my Truth. Then at that point we both agree that we agree in disagreeing. Especially when we have made valid points and both side, have stood on each other's side and understood what it means in each other's context.
Yea I agree.
But everytime we ask a question about the bible (might be offending, but still many are sincere questions), you guys think we are bashing or that we are trolling. Then how can there be true engagement?
Only when you have given us answers OR say that you don't know, then at that point, we can agree to disagree.
But sometimes you guys dont even wanna give answers and just divert attention by saying that we are trolling or bashing
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Originally posted by laurence82:
In this case, do we use Oxford dictionary, Articles 15 or Coxford Singlish to define?
there are many other dictionaries where you can put and paste....but what really is important is what come out of your mind.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
there are many other dictionaries where you can put and paste....but what really is important is what come out of your mind.
Like this ah, then i prophesise BIC mind to be ....empty! -
Originally posted by laurence82:
Like this ah, then i prophesise BIC mind to be ....empty!it is easy to say nothing.....as expected, ....empty.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
it is easy to say nothing.....as expected, ....empty.
u can start pouring things into his brain, bet there is leakage elsewhere