Originally posted by Jacky Woo:not only arrogance, but deluded and extreme and fundamentalist too. enough said
What an apt self-description of yourself, Jacky!
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:And so just because i have choosen not to think and so i am labelled? However what gives you the right to start labelling others as thinkers/non thinkers? The truth is still the same in that you have authorised yourself over others and authorised yourself to label others to be way below you just because ppl have not pondered over things you have pondered or i should say "things you feel ought to be pondered'.
Anyway from all your posts and interactions, even if i explain myself you wouldn't have accepted it anyway. i do not hold god in that almighty position you hold and i do not believe he has all the answers. Explaining/answering to you will only result in you putting down more of my beliefs.
You stuck the free-thinker label on yourself, I am merely saying that in terms of label the non-thinker is a better fit. I no more authorised myself anymore than you authorise yourself to be a judge over me. In an exchange of views and arguments you should expect your views to be subjected to critical thinking and scrutiny. The same goes for mine. If the theist has the better argument just concede that instead of going for character assassination accusing your opponent of arrogance. It only ends up being a clash of personalities instead of debating beliefs and ideas.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
You stuck the free-thinker label on yourself, I am merely saying that in terms of label the non-thinker is a better fit. I no more authorised myself anymore than you authorise yourself to be a judge over me. In an exchange of views and arguments you should expect your views to be subjected to critical thinking and scrutiny. The same goes for mine. If the theist has the better argument just concede that instead of going for character assassination accusing your opponent of arrogance. It only ends up being a clash of personalities instead of debating beliefs and ideas.
i dont think he is christian and that he is a representative of christ
he is just a troll
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:its no wonder everyone calls you deluded. Knocking sense into you is just a waste of time. You may continue to think you have the upper hand. All non thinkers non believers like me will burn in hell. Is ok. You’ve enlightened me alot about who christians are really are and you’ve strengthen my resolve to, in your terms, go to hell.
Fact is, atheists think that EVERY religious person is deluded, not just the Christian. Why else would "The God Delusion" becomes a best seller for weeks?
But in what way have I not been making sense? I only think I have the upper hand in the sense that my arguments for theism are better than the atheist's arguments for atheism. My debates with atheists is my way of "knocking sense" into them to reject atheism.
BTW, I never said non-thinkers will go to hell. And it's not the fault of Christians who think that nonbelievers will burn in hell if they continue their rejection of God's offer of salvation. That's what the Bible teaches. That's what Jesus taught. But if you choose to strengthen your resolve to go to hell, then you can't blame me or anyone or God if you get what you want eventually.
Or perhaps you might prefer to meet some Christians who believe in universalism? They believe that EVERYONE will go to heaven because God is so loving.
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:Your god only offer salvation to your own ppl. How fair is that? you really think very highly of yourself. Blind to the fact tat neither can prove their point.But you still think yours is higher and that only yours is right. Essentially atheism can be fully refuted only when you can prove yours. Otherwise all talks are talks. No one is having the upper hand. Oh otherwise since you think you are all so good, prove big bang theory is not true then. Refute all the answers that science have proven to anything explained by religion.
I essentially think im definitely going to hell if i become like you. For now, i do not think i made my foot there yet.
Wrong. God offers salvation to ALL people. Read the Bible please.
The Big Bang is easily dismantled. It ain't rocket science, really. The BBT is a piece of philosophy because underlying it is the worldview known as naturalism.
See http://creation.com/dismantle-the-big-bang-and-rediscover-gods-universe
LOL
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:Christian source to support/to revoke something against christian. =DDD
So you are dismissing it because it is a Christian source? That would be to commit the genetic fallacy. Badzmaro is right, there is a lack of critical thinking skills, on the part of atheists! How about I also disregard all your sources because you are using non-Chrustian or secular sources to attack Christianity? You OK with that?
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
So you are dismissing it because it is a Christian source? That would be to commit the genetic fallacy. Badzmaro is right, there is a lack of critical thinking skills, on the part of atheists! How about I also disregard all your sources because you are using non-Chrustian or secular sources to attack Christianity? You OK with that?
Thats dumb
using christian source to support ur arguments, why dont you take the shortcut and write the stories to support your novels?
Originally posted by laurence82:Thats dumb
using christian source to support ur arguments, why dont you take the shortcut and write the stories to support your novels?
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Some ignorant atheists just do not know what the genetic fallacy is. Tsk tsk.
No no, pls dont conveniently avoid my point
Your previous post was really dumb and meaningless
Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:its no wonder everyone calls you deluded. Knocking sense into you is just a waste of time. You may continue to think you have the upper hand. All non thinkers non believers like me will burn in hell. Is ok. You’ve enlightened me alot about who christians are really are and you’ve strengthen my resolve to, in your terms, go to hell.
imdestinyz,
I was like BIC a few years back. Extreme, and no one could talk sense into me.
I thought I was always right about morals, god and spirituality. I thought my religion was superior.
What changed me was when I started reading the bible thoroughly and OBJECTIVELY.
BIC needs to do that to be able to wake himself up.
thanks tcmc for sharing
but do note the difference between being able to talk sense to people and people who trolling
i strongly believe BIC is in the troll category, looking from his posts, because he avoid people questions and refutations
Originally posted by Tcmc:
imdestinyz,
I was like BIC a few years back. Extreme, and no one could talk sense into me.
I thought I was always right about morals, god and spirituality. I thought my religion was superior.
What changed me was when I started reading the bible thoroughly and OBJECTIVELY.
BIC needs to do that to be able to wake himself up.
few years ago you were like BIC, really lol. good for you that you have awoke from your delusion. better late than never, for some people.
Originally posted by Jacky Woo:few years ago you were like BIC, really lol. good for you that you have awoke from your delusion. better late than never, for some people.
Lol. Yes i was fervently converting teenagers outside schools, and very against all other religions
I also believed that all other gods are false, very much like BIC now.
I also went onto forums to criticise atheists and other religions and argued in circles liek BIC.
A few years ago.
Originally posted by Tcmc:
imdestinyz,
I was like BIC a few years back. Extreme, and no one could talk sense into me.
I thought I was always right about morals, god and spirituality. I thought my religion was superior.
What changed me was when I started reading the bible thoroughly and OBJECTIVELY.
BIC needs to do that to be able to wake himself up.
Well, I've read the Bible thoroughly and objectively (as have many others) and we do not come to the conclusion that we need to abandon ship. Having said that, I doubt that Tcmc read the Bible thoroughly and objectively. I mean, just look at the number of failed theology that I exposed about Tcmc.
Originally posted by Tcmc:Lol. Yes i was fervently converting teenagers outside schools, and very against all other religions
I also believed that all other gods are false, very much like BIC now.
I also went onto forums to criticise atheists and other religions and argued in circles liek BIC.
A few years ago.
So now you just switch sides and criticise Christianity lah?
What's the real diff? You just changed religion only. Behaviour not any different.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Well, I've read the Bible thoroughly and objectively (as have many others) and we do not come to the conclusion that we need to abandon ship. Having said that, I doubt that Tcmc read the Bible thoroughly and objectively. I mean, just look at the number of failed theology that I exposed about Tcmc.
Objectively means when you see a contradiction or an error which cannot be explained away, you dont try to explain it with nonsense and admit that it is an error.
Or when you see "god" commanding to kill babies, you begin to question and not defend.
That is objective reading
Originally posted by BroInChrist:So now you just switch sides and criticise Christianity lah?
What's the real diff? You just changed religion only. Behaviour not any different.
BIC,
Actually no. When i was a christian i criticised all other religions, even OTHER christian denominations other than mine.
Now as an atheist, i really can appreciate many religions and their teachings (apart from the superstitious elements) and also i became more tolerant of many christian denominations!
i am just wondering, who gave the judge the rite to command a criminal to be killed? when the excutioner hangs the criminal(singapore context), isnt he guilty of killing too?
Originally posted by despondent:i am just wondering, who gave the judge the rite to command a criminal to be killed? when the excutioner hangs the criminal(singapore context), isnt he guilty of killing too?
despondent
Excuse me, but human judges dont kill babies, toddlers and children.
ANd please keep in mind that not everyone supports the death penalty
tats not my pt but it ok...:)