Originally posted by Rooney9:u think those who worship god will live to a ripe old age of 150? so praying to god does not mean living to a ripe old age LMAO.
All religion gt ppl die early de.
How u lead ur lives is more meaningful than living til an old age to me.
Originally posted by -StarDust-:
All religion gt ppl die early de.
whatever happened to your logic? all men die, some die early, some later.
there are those who still believe in the Leviticus standard of food consumption....
to each his own.....
i like my lobsters, and pork ribs.
For those who believe Jesus or God override the food restriction on pork for Christians...
Well, it's what you believe...
Originally posted by Chin Eng:there are those who still believe in the Leviticus standard of food consumption....
to each his own.....
i like my lobsters, and pork ribs.
I like my lobsters and my pork ribs too... but show me where in the bible this Levitical standard was abolished? These foods are still anathema to all who choose to follow the G_d of Avraham, Yitzak and Yakov. Unless you say christians are following another god?
Originally posted by breytonhartge:I like my lobsters and my pork ribs too... but show me where in the bible this Levitical standard was abolished? These foods are still anathema to all who choose to follow the G_d of Avraham, Yitzak and Yakov. Unless you say christians are following another god?
i have already told you before i do not wish to "discuss" theology with you.....
you have you view about scripture and i have mine....
even if i show you, you will have another interpretation anyway, so what's the point?
No point argueing abt such things.
Originally posted by -StarDust-:No point argueing abt such things.
actually no point arguing with Brey.....
he comes from another mindset.... the basis for his argument and mine are different, so it will always lead to the same thing.... been there, done that.
already told him once in a pm that i will avoid entering into a discussion into theology.
uncle chin eng,
its betta to have 1 more frend than 1 more enemy lah...make peace wif brey can?
despondent....
believe it or not.... it's not about making enemies....
i have already made peace with brey via a pm a couple of months back. i have also told him that we can discuss hobbies, our toys, our life etc, but i WILL NOT DISCUSS theology with him.
there is no basis for any discussion.... it's always what he sees in the OT, what disagrees about the NT and what the church has done wrong with the misinterpretation.....
at the end of the day, his view is that the church has gone wrong.... he obviously will disagree with story of the fishing net and Peter (Acts 10).... because he will tell you that the Christian view is wrong... so as I'd said, what's the point....?
in my opinion, this is a clear cut "lifting of the ban".... otherwise why use would God use "food" as an example.... to confuse the heck out of us now?
i know that there will always be the explanation of Acts 11 for people who are still pro-levitical laws....
look at the practicality of the vision.... God cannot show vision of Gentiles ah? must use unclean animals to illustrate a point ah?
obviously those who are pro-levitical laws will continue to look for support, everybody does that.
think about it.... you work your life trying to do good because of the salvation of Christ, and you reach heaven and get hung on a technicality of what you ate??? c'mon....
Originally posted by Chin Eng:there are those who still believe in the Leviticus standard of food consumption....
to each his own.....
i like my lobsters, and pork ribs.
unker,
lobsters and pork ribs, hor, cholesterols very high hor... cannot eat too much har...
Originally posted by vince69:
unker,
lobsters and pork ribs, hor, cholesterols very high hor... cannot eat too much har...
yeah lah, but not religious reasons leh.....
For those of you who are truly seeking.. these two articles provide a very good guide as to what is clean and unclean food according to Yahweh.
http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/cu/understandscripture.htm
http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn11/uncleanmeats.htm
Despondent, CE and I did set aside our differences a while ago. I am not his enemy. Neither is he mine.
I was confirmed a Methodist from Wesley, led in the hearing impaired services, served in YAG, I have also been a full on charismatic pentacostal, listened to all you could possibly listen to, Joyce Meyer, Marylin Hickey, Jessie Duplantis, Kenneth Copeland Joseph Prince, read through Clavin, Martin Luther, etc... why would I turn my back on 20 years of following the church?? Why would I say the church has gone astray? Read the bible for what it is, G_d's word and G_d's instruction for how we are to live our lives.
Salvation is not ours yet, the blood of Yeshua only gives us redemtion, whether we are saved or not really depends on how obedient we are to Him. We will only know that on the last day. It is up to Yeshua to judge us for that is given Him by our Father in Heaven, that is why the bible admonishes us to WORK OUT OUR SAVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING...
Shalom!
Originally posted by vince69:
unker,
lobsters and pork ribs, hor, cholesterols very high hor... cannot eat too much har...
Better cut down on that.
hey brey, sorry... are u saying that salvation is by gd works and nt grace? or are u saying that salvation is by grace for gd works?
Originally posted by despondent:hey brey, sorry... are u saying that salvation is by gd works and nt grace? or are u saying that salvation is by grace for gd works?
Salvation is by grace.
Originally posted by Rooney9:whatever happened to your logic? all men die, some die early, some later.
I meant no matter wad u prayed to , there are ppl who died early.
Irregardless of ur religions. There are ppl who died early.
i noe. but i wanted to noe wad brey meant.
Originally posted by despondent:i noe. but i wanted to noe wad brey meant.
Salvation is by grace for all, but it does not excuse us from keeping the mitzvot of Yahweh. This we ought to do as being obedient children to Him.
But then our salvation is not yet, because we have not finished the race. All those who fall by the wayside, do you think they will be saved??
Salvation in the context of the bible, has always been some thing happening to deliver the savee into a better place, as we are not yet delivered, we still are not "saved" we are redeemed by the blood of Yeshua, for the opportunity of salvation, but because the event of Yeshua's return has not occured yet to deliver us form our circumstances, we are not "saved".
Look to the temple sacrifice to understand the various things that have to take place before we can come into the holy of holies. The blood is not just for salvation, but also for purification, for redemption, for reconciliation, for justification and for restoration.These processes are necessary for us to be able to come before Him. This has always been the way, from time past till now. We need to sanctify ourselves, we need to purify ourselves, we need to reconcile ourselves... all back to Him. Then there can be restoration, then there can be the justification to stand before Him.
Salvation is our hope, so long as we walk with Him in His ways. Be aware that we can loose our hope of salvation. It is very clearly stated in the bible with Yeshua's illustration of the goat and the sheep. Be mindful always.
Originally posted by -StarDust-:Salvation is by grace.
Then what is the next step after that??
brey, i am sure u noe tat not all christians agree that salvation can be lost...i remember tat u urself used to believe in OSAS...this however, is besides the pt...
personally, i agree wif u tat we need to keep doing gd after we have been saved by grace...i dun subscribe to OSAS...some of the non-christians here have misunderstood salvation by grace to be wad christians term as cheap grace...tat explains some of the flaming cos they tink christianity is abt getting saved by grace and then can go round doing evil...i can understand the misunderstanding cos unless u realli have a firm foundation in christianity, one will not understand how we are saved by grace yet gd works is stll necessary BUT at the same time, salvation is NOT by gd works...its the presence of 2 seemingly diff teachings(grace and gd works) that has confounded them, including some christians as well...
Originally posted by despondent:brey, i am sure u noe tat not all christians agree that salvation can be lost...i remember tat u urself used to believe in OSAS...this however, is besides the pt...
personally, i agree wif u tat we need to keep doing gd after we have been saved by grace...i dun subscribe to OSAS...some of the non-christians here have misunderstood salvation by grace to be wad christians term as cheap grace...tat explains some of the flaming cos they tink christianity is abt getting saved by grace and then can go round doing evil...i can understand the misunderstanding cos unless u realli have a firm foundation in christianity, one will not understand how we are saved by grace yet gd works is stll necessary BUT at the same time, salvation is NOT by gd works...its the presence of 2 seemingly diff teachings(grace and gd works) that has confounded them, including some christians as well...
Well put.
I used to believe OSAS, but no longer.. once one has a greater understand of the word, you begin to see things is a very different light. These two teachings of grace and good works are not mutually exclusive, neither are they that confounding. I believe once one understands the word from the original intent of Yahweh, they will be able to see how these two ideas flow.
i agree. Cos for christianity, we noe its a blend of grace and gd works but salvation is by the former not the latter. it can be confusing to those who try to look at christianity from an outsider's perspective.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:i can accept non superstitious reason like some buddhists don't eat meat out of compassion. is there any non superstitious reasons for christians not to eat food which use for offerings ?
You have to avoid such Buddhists as they are evil in front of God including me a disappointed Buddhist.Those food use for offerings taste like shit and Christians are not supposed to eat shit.