then why is science always at odds with all religions that have a creator god ?
too many examples to talk about, so lets just talk about this Adam and Eve..............all the people are supposedly from them. right ?
if so, how come got people of so many colours..............plus geneti differences ?
also, all the people are then from incestuous relationships liao, eh ?
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Come on. U can do better that this.
Can and Will is another thing. Can do and Will do something is different. Can doesnt mean WIll, Will means Can, but doesnt mean He cant.
If God really created something he cant lift and or move, what is stopping Him from creating something to LIFT what he cant lift and or move. lol
Well said, although I'm not Christian.
God can make something too heavy for himself to carry.
He can then make himself stronger to be able to carry. Nothing stopping him too.
It can be a never-ending process then.
Originally posted by As romanista2001:then why is science always at odds with all religions that have a creator god ?
too many examples to talk about, so lets just talk about this Adam and Eve..............all the people are supposedly from them. right ?
if so, how come got people of so many colours..............plus geneti differences ?
also, all the people are then from incestuous relationships liao, eh ?
No. Science is not always at odds with religions that have a creator god.
Like Darwinian theory, it may not be the truth, but it is true in respect of the mappings and the evolution of the various species on this planet.
It is a mising link. And there will be other theories to fit into these missing links. Thats why to me science n religion can stand side by side, to give us all a better understanding.
Those of us that have a brain, and the ability to entertain possibilities will continue to pursue the understanding of a Creator and how science will seek to explain it to us due to our limited understanding and intelligence.
Why think so limited ?
Why not the possibilities ?
If u really want to know about Adam n Eve, u can always use your own brain to find the answers u want. To research. To challange urself. To ask . To learn. To seek. Thats all. N when u die, u die knowing that you tried to seek understanding on this earth in such a limited way and time available that you are not just a sheep. Believing in a God and believing there is NO God is definately easier then people like me that believes in God AND Science.
But the choice is yours. However, I will respond when there is an extremely one-sided argument presenting itself.
Originally posted by eagle:Well said, although I'm not Christian.
God can make something too heavy for himself to carry.
He can then make himself stronger to be able to carry. Nothing stopping him too.
It can be a never-ending process then.
Thats why I dont understand why they keep saying its a "Paradox" or keep on using such infant logic. More like they created such a paradox.. but to call it a paradox is also laughable, because the statements themselves are self-contradictory and incoherent and doesnt make sense.
Its like asking what happens when an Irresitable Force meets an Unmovable Object.
Thus, trying to answer the question is so baffling, because the question itself is incoherent and flawed, not because there is anything illogical about God's existence
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:No. Science is not always at odds with religions that have a creator god.
Like Darwinian theory, it may not be the truth, but it is true in respect of the mappings and the evolution of the various species on this planet.
It is a mising link. And there will be other theories to fit into these missing links. Thats why to me science n religion can stand side by side, to give us all a better understanding.
Those of us that have a brain, and the ability to entertain possibilities will continue to pursue the understanding of a Creator and how science will seek to explain it to us due to our limited understanding and intelligence.
Why think so limited ?
Why not the possibilities ?
If u really want to know about Adam n Eve, u can always use your own brain to find the answers u want. To research. To challange urself. To ask . To learn. To seek. Thats all. N when u die, u die knowing that you tried to seek understanding on this earth in such a limited way and time available that you are not just a sheep. Believing in a God and believing there is NO God is definately easier then people like me that believes in God AND Science.
But the choice is yours. However, I will respond when there is an extremely one-sided argument presenting itself.
after reading your lengthy reply, there is still no direct answers to As romanista's questions :
if so, how come got people of so many colours..............plus geneti differences ?
also, all the people are then from incestuous relationships liao, eh ?
can you go straight to the points ?
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:after reading your lengthy reply, there is still no direct answers to As romanista's questions :
if so, how come got people of so many colours..............plus geneti differences ?
also, all the people are then from incestuous relationships liao, eh ?
can you go straight to the points ?
Do I look like I am GOD ? Am I some extremely learned scientist ? Even with all the limited accumulation of knowledge I have, I keep such bold statements out.
What do u think I am doing ?Am i not in the journey of searching these answers ? I know it is futile quoting Bible verses to people who does not want to believe.
So if u cant disseminate the meaning to find, seek and serve/ And the concept of having a brain, what more can i say ?
Didnt i already say its extremely difficult for people like us to satisfy believers and non-believers alike to a succint and logical answers for your comprehension ?
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Thats why I dont understand why they keep saying its a "Paradox" or keep on using such infant logic. More like they created such a paradox.. but to call it a paradox is also laughable, because the statements themselves are self-contradictory and incoherent and doesnt make sense.
Its like asking what happens when an Irresitable Force meets an Unmovable Object.
Thus, trying to answer the question is so baffling, because the question itself is incoherent and flawed, not because there is anything illogical about God's existence
one more question, like to hear your view. i have been asking many christians, no one knows the answer. instead as romanista answer me. i agree with her answer but would like to hear them from christians. is it you all also have no idea. or you can help to ask your pastor. i am very curious.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Do I look like I am GOD ?
so, you are saying you also do not know the answers and very puzzled just like us.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Do I look like I am GOD ? Am I some extremely learned scientist ? Even with all the limited accumulation of knowledge I have, I keep such bold statements out.
What do u think I am doing ?Am i not in the journey of searching these answers ? I know it is futile quoting Bible verses to people who does not want to believe.
So if u cant disseminate the meaning to find, seek and serve/ And the concept of having a brain, what more can i say ?
Didnt i already say its extremely difficult for people like us to satisfy believers and non-believers alike to a succint and logical answers for your comprehension ?
didn't you guys ask your pastors if you don't understand. i think these questions do not need God to answer. they are very basic questions. if these questions cannot be solved how to proceed further ? i can understand non believers are unable to answer but how come you guys also can't answer.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:so, you are saying you also do not know the answers and very puzzled just like us.
The answers in the Bible is clear. Blind faith will say I believe in every single word. Literally. And that yes, Adam and Eve were the first.
However, just as much as our limited comprehension to such literal interpretations, one such as myself find somethings to our current knowledge impossible and illogical. But who am I, a man of such limited capacity to understand, fathom the workings of the impossible and the illogical ?
One will be more inclined to believe in science. To satisfy our doubt. But, science too does not seem to be seeking that truth, but only its understanding of the mysteries of the universe.
Put it simply, how did bipedal primates like us become the dominant species when there are obviosly other courins of the homo sapiens around ? Maybe God.. decided to give us particular intelligence and/or wisdom. Did we suddenly evolve ?
Am I wrong to question ? Or is it simply easier to accept it instead of making it harder for oneself. But we are humans. We are creatures of autonomy. And there is a reason to such a concept of free will.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:didn't you guys ask your pastors if you don't understand. i think these questions do not need God to answer. they are very basic questions. if these questions cannot be solved how to proceed further ? i can understand non believers are unable to answer but how come you guys also can't answer.
We are not omniscience. All God asked was a little faith. Is it so hard ?
But of course it is hard for many of us.
The language and skin colour was explained in the Tower of Bebl if I am not mistaken.
I am not a theologian myself.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:one more question, like to hear your view. i have been asking many christians, no one knows the answer. instead as romanista answer me. i agree with her answer but would like to hear them from christians. is it you all also have no idea. or you can help to ask your pastor. i am very curious.
From: Good News Bible (Today’s English Version)Matthew 17:12 “But I tell you that Elijah has already come and people did not recognize him, but treated him just as they pleased. In the same way they will also ill-treat the Son Of Man.”Matthew 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.Matthew 11:14 and if you are willing to believe their message, John is Elijah, whose coming was predicted.Is it not clear enough that even Jesus talked about reincarnation?
unfortunately, the Good News Bible is really not a very good version.
this is an analogy using Elijah as an example to demonstrate the role of John the Baptist, John 11:14, in NIV reads like this: And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
funny thing is.... non-Christians expect Christians to have all the answers....all the time. Nothing can be further from the truth. Christians do not have all the answers, Christians merely have the faith to believe in Jesus.
If at the end of times, it is false.... no one will be wiser.
If at the end of times, it is true... also no one else knows, except for the Christian who now have eternal life.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:after reading your lengthy reply, there is still no direct answers to As romanista's questions :
if so, how come got people of so many colours..............plus geneti differences ?
also, all the people are then from incestuous relationships liao, eh ?
can you go straight to the points ?
one thoery is that the skin color is derived from the 3 sons of Noah, who went separate ways after the flood.
... but i guess, those who are really interested could also have gone to a church to ask the pastors, or at least do some research first.
instead of thinking that forum members are theological students and pastors.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:one thoery is that the skin color is derived from the 3 sons of Noah, who went separate ways after the flood.
... but i guess, those who are really interested could also have gone to a church to ask the pastors, or at least do some research first.
instead of thinking that forum members are theological students and pastors.
i did ask the pastor but not satisfied with the answers. i think you and badzmaro can answer better than that pastor i asked. anyway, your answers still did not solve the puzzles. i just want to know what other pastors may say, could be something different from that pastor i asked.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:after reading your lengthy reply, there is still no direct answers to As romanista's questions :
if so, how come got people of so many colours..............plus geneti differences ?
also, all the people are then from incestuous relationships liao, eh ?
can you go straight to the points ?
round and round and round and round.
Merry go round is fun mah
Originally posted by Dondontan:round and round and round and round.
Merry go round is fun mah
yeah, you are right. i am convinced now that i will not get an answer. swear will not ask again because no one on earth knows the answer.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:yeah, you are right. i am convinced now that i will not get an answer. swear will not ask again because no one on earth knows the answer.
just read einstein's quotes. he said it all already. would you not concurred with what he said?
Originally posted by Rooney9:just read einstein's quotes. he said it all already. would you not concurred with what he said?
yeah, i concur with what he said. he is a great man with great mind. he solves my puzzles. thanks for sharing this great article. i will cut and paste and save them in my file.
If u really want to understand Einstein quotes , get the book.
It is a very good book to understand what Einstein meant what he did. His view on a cosmic god instead of a personal god.
He is not aetheist nor is he a pantheist.
What he meant by "Science without religion is lame, and Religion without science is blind"
Once u read the book you will understand what i mean about science and religion and what he meant about it.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:one thoery is that the skin color is derived from the 3 sons of Noah, who went separate ways after the flood.
... but i guess, those who are really interested could also have gone to a church to ask the pastors, or at least do some research first.
instead of thinking that forum members are theological students and pastors.
Noah and family is the only family that survived right ? so........
1) his sons got different colors............so Noah got 3 racially different wives ah ?
2) even so, how come facial features and genetics also different leh ?
3) if only noah's family survived, how his sons gonna have babies with who ?
4) so end of day, still incest lah ?
***) oh yeah, there are more than just 3 different races in case you don't know....................so Noah got many many sons hor ?
so without any logical answers that even the Pope can give for my questions.....................are you christians gonna use that old favourite..................?
'' God works in mysterious ways ''.........................LOL
THAT'S WHY I SAY SCIENCE IS ALWAYS PROVING WRONG ALL THESE GOD-BASED RELIGIONS...........
This thread made me find this to watch... Interesting video series.
Checking it out.
N regarding races and skin colour. There are lengthy explainations to it but are extremely long n detailed. The Tower of Babel. Here n here . I going to small read and make comparison with archeological and scientific evidence. The scientific explaination to the genepool has substantial possibility it happening.
also, one thing very funny leh.............since at the time of Jesus, China has the biggest population (God don't know meh?)................but instead of sending Jesus there, he sent him to you know where..........so mah end up much more people NOT going to heaven ?
and of course since God is obviously racist as well and practice favouritism....................maybe there's apartheid in heaven also don't you think ?
why the favouritism towards jews when supposedly he created everyone ?
i bet the christian religion would have been long gone if jesus was a black African, eh ?
makes no sense at all...............no wonder more and more Angmohs leaving for Eastern religions lah..........
***) what about those children that were born handicapped or deformed...........? or those small kids that died in tragic accidents or were murdered ?
***) or those evil people enjoying wealth and luxury while the good people suffer ?
the usual ''God works in mysterious ways'' bullcrap again ?.........................makes no sense.............
Boring God God god!