I am sure other people of other faiths or even free thinker will get approached by overzealous christians, either as friends, family, relatives, colleagues or even strangers telling you that your religion is false and satanic. you are going to hell if you do not accept Jesus. How about the idol you are praying is made of wood and clay?
Is this stated in the bible, pls put the record straight once and for all, christians.
a real one won't...
he'll live his life right in the way God meant it to be.. which will be an inspiration to others to want to be like him, thereby joining the faith...
evangelism by example...
if it is not stated in the bible, why so many christians, including pastor rony tan go around saying this?
do you mean that those christians who go around telling people these are not practising evangelism? what they are doing is spreading intolerance, bigotry and disharmony in the society at large?
because they read what they want to read... taking phrases and bits and pieces from the bible and interpret them the way they want to... to rationalise their own behaviour...
if they had taken the whole context correctly, where each line came from and what they were supposed to mean, they'd be wrong...
just like the "fundamentalists" (read as "fanatics") in the various religions... since when was murder condoned? since when was terrorism in the holy scriptures of whichever religion they profess to be "fighting for"?
they were all for personal gain and political gain...
the whole premise of the bible is that God is love... God loves us and wants to be with us even when we are flawed and have sinned... and He loves us so much that instead of abandoning the poor sinners, He sent His son to suffer and die for us so that we have a route to salvation...
i'm sure each religion has their own routes to salvation, and most have a "code of conduct"
and i don't think any have a code of conduct which says they have to go out there and sow discord with others, to hate others, and to condemn others...
sure as heck isn't in the bible coz the only one who can judge the spirituality of each person is not another person, but God...
Originally posted by the Bear:a real one won't...
he'll live his life right in the way God meant it to be.. which will be an inspiration to others to want to be like him, thereby joining the faith...
evangelism by example...
yes my church believed in a change life will affect others to join you.
thats how my parents believed in Jesus. I totally gave up on swearing after i go church. they r happy.
My frenz grandma chant gua ying name everyday . her grandson changed less temper and better personality and she went over to christianality on her own accord.
My church even believe if u do wear a cross pls be careful of ur actions, might affect how ppl see christianality. example dun go buy toto or play mahjong.
Originally posted by Rooney9:I am sure other people of other faiths or even free thinker will get approached by overzealous christians, either as friends, family, relatives, colleagues or even strangers telling you that your religion is false and satanic. you are going to hell if you do not accept Jesus. How about the idol you are praying is made of wood and clay?
Is this stated in the bible, pls put the record straight once and for all, christians.
Nope changed life lead to better result.
my parents and other relatvies are saved due to that. they chsoe to believe themselves.
my church have more testimonial on that.
There's a case whose mental illness gt cured and parents decided to join the church.
All the thanks to God.
Originally posted by Rooney9:I am sure other people of other faiths or even free thinker will get approached by overzealous christians, either as friends, family, relatives, colleagues or even strangers telling you that your religion is false and satanic. you are going to hell if you do not accept Jesus. How about the idol you are praying is made of wood and clay?
Is this stated in the bible, pls put the record straight once and for all, christians.
I have posted verses from the bible about it. Go read it.
Originally posted by the Bear:because they read what they want to read... taking phrases and bits and pieces from the bible and interpret them the way they want to... to rationalise their own behaviour...
if they had taken the whole context correctly, where each line came from and what they were supposed to mean, they'd be wrong...
just like the "fundamentalists" (read as "fanatics") in the various religions... since when was murder condoned? since when was terrorism in the holy scriptures of whichever religion they profess to be "fighting for"?
they were all for personal gain and political gain...
the whole premise of the bible is that God is love... God loves us and wants to be with us even when we are flawed and have sinned... and He loves us so much that instead of abandoning the poor sinners, He sent His son to suffer and die for us so that we have a route to salvation...
i'm sure each religion has their own routes to salvation, and most have a "code of conduct"
and i don't think any have a code of conduct which says they have to go out there and sow discord with others, to hate others, and to condemn others...
sure as heck isn't in the bible coz the only one who can judge the spirituality of each person is not another person, but God...
Only God can judge. YAH
but we sometimes have tobear with the temptation of slander other ppl's religion.
because sometiems we becoem arrogant.
Originally posted by the Bear:a real one won't...
he'll live his life right in the way God meant it to be.. which will be an inspiration to others to want to be like him, thereby joining the faith...
evangelism by example...
Do you mean evangelism by living example?
I have met humble, kind , nice christians, they exist. WE need more of these people around to bring the good name of the religion Christianity and for the sake of harmony and peace with non christians.
Originally posted by Dondontan:
Do you mean evangelism by living example?I have met humble, kind , nice christians, they exist. WE need more of these people around to bring the good name of the religion Christianity and for the sake of harmony and peace with non christians.
but right it should be like this.
But sometimes we dun do it we wanna slander them.
got to give up on slandering.
Originally posted by Rooney9:I am sure other people of other faiths or even free thinker will get approached by overzealous christians, either as friends, family, relatives, colleagues or even strangers telling you that your religion is false and satanic. you are going to hell if you do not accept Jesus. How about the idol you are praying is made of wood and clay?
Is this stated in the bible, pls put the record straight once and for all, christians.
sorry abt the slandering i have done in sgforums buddhism forum.
Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:Nope changed life lead to better result.
my parents and other relatvies are saved due to that. they chsoe to believe themselves.
my church have more testimonial on that.
There's a case whose mental illness gt cured and parents decided to join the church.
All the thanks to God.
there are many cases like what you mentioned, illnesses (like late stage cancer) got cured, happen in other religions too (e.g. Buddhism). thus, it does not happen to christians only. thus, there is nothing to be arrogant about.
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:there are many cases like what you mentioned, illnesses (like late stage cancer) got cured, happen in other religions too (e.g. Buddhism). thus, it does not happen to christians only. thus, there is nothing to be arrogant about.
Yes other religion gt healing.
we dun say they r nt healed.
I have one observation to add here.
When I was little, there were many people on the street wanting to preach to me.
Now, as a honky tonk old man now, no people wants to share gospel to me.
I guess they want prey on impressionable young minds.
Just my opinion.
laffin
Originally posted by laffin123:I have one observation to add here.
When I was little, there were many people on the street wanting to preach to me.
Now, as a honky tonk old man now, no people wants to share gospel to me.
I guess they want prey on impressionable young minds.
Just my opinion.
laffin
haha.
my church has many old ppl.
u sure ?
aiyah................i already started a thread ''why young people join christianity''................
you want me to start another thread ''why old people join christianity'' ?
becoz i know the answer...........many join becoz their children join so that when these old people conk off, they think it's easier to arrange their funeral...........
why easier leh ? no need for band, no need to burn this and that, no need to chant ,etc etc.............
whether what i said is true or not, you people all know lah ah................no need to argue lah............
Originally posted by Rooney9:
Is this stated in the bible, pls put the record straight once and for all, christians.
is this ever possible.... putting the record straight?
Originally posted by As romanista2001:you want me to start another thread ''why old people join christianity'' ?
becoz i know the answer...........many join becoz their children join so that when these old people conk off, they think it's easier to arrange their funeral...........
why easier leh ? no need for band, no need to burn this and that, no need to chant ,etc etc.............
you have evidence to prove your observation? or is this merely an assumption?
nana na poot poot
Originally posted by Chin Eng:you have evidence to prove your observation? or is this merely an assumption?
observation from many many old people who say their friends and themselves do this................my ma's old friends also like this.................
think about it lah, the non-English-educated old folks normally are Taoist all their lives...........then towards the end of their lives, they become christians ..............and only when they have christian children.............so you say lor ??
many of these folks don't even go to church............in fact, they have no wish to go there even.............this apply only to the Chinese old folks...............
Originally posted by As romanista2001:observation from many many old people who say their friends and themselves do this................my ma's old friends also like this.................
think about it lah, the non-English-educated old folks normally are Taoist all their lives...........then towards the end of their lives, they become christians ..............and only when they have christian children.............so you say lor ??
many of these folks don't even go to church............in fact, they have no wish to go there even.............this apply only to the Chinese old folks...............
there is a thing called anecdoctal evidence and there is a thing call factual evidence.
if you want anecdoctal evidence, then many of us are quite stupid when our parents refer to us as 傻仔。
my point is, sometimes you need to read beyond the actual meaning... many old folks say things like that because they do not want to be seen as being swayed by a supposedly "western" religion and may seem to feel a lose of face to them.
but it is interesting, what you said that "many of these folks don't even go to church", then I ask, how so can one become a Christian, if they do not go to church?
... and why is it that i see many old folks attending my church.... without their children?
... and many of these old folks are also very good counsellors to young people....
but it is funny....
church population decline? oh, people have seen thru the falsehood....
church population improve? oh people clinging to false hope....
young people attend church? oh these people are looking for the opposite sex....
old people attend church? oh these people follow their children....
poor people attend church? oh these people want free things....
rich people attend church? oh these people want to network to get richer....
.... maybe, just maybe... perhaps these people found something that they think is true?
Originally posted by Chin Eng:but it is funny....
church population decline? oh, people have seen thru the falsehood....
church population improve? oh people clinging to false hope....
young people attend church? oh these people are looking for the opposite sex....
old people attend church? oh these people follow their children....
poor people attend church? oh these people want free things....
rich people attend church? oh these people want to network to get richer....
.... maybe, just maybe... perhaps these people found something that they think is true?
isn't it the same as the people who commit all kinds of things "in the name of God" ?
they're all rationalising in order to shape whatever they see to suit them... facts be damned...
which is why i say they're cut from the same cloth...