the REAL reasons young people become Christians.
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Seriously.. if you guyswanna troll, at least make it sound funny
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
young people join Church becoz it's seen as the coolest FALSE religion out there...............
1) will they go to temple and join the aunties and uncles to burn joss-sticks ? HELL NO..............
2) will they have the discipline to kneel and chant ? FARKING HELL NO...............
3) will they become muslims and give up pork chops ? GOD-FARKING HELL NO...............
will young people want to be christians if they have to do the above 3 things ?.............HECK NO...........they'll not want to be caught dead holding joss-sticks............though i'm sure the girls would appreciate the muslim circumcision rule.............LOL
the truth is Christianity is the ''easiest'' religion...............plus the most important thing is ...........it is considered a Western or ''ANGMOH'' religion..................
if the fabricated Jesus character is a BLACKIE from say Bangladesh..............or Nigeria, you think young people still wanna join this religion..............NO FARKING WAY...............
well, guess what ? according to historians, men that lived in Jesus's time and place DON"T wear their hair long.............they're certainly not fair-skinned and absolutely not blonde with blue eyes..........
Another distorted history lesson from your warped mind.
Don't be sad that Buddha was born in Nepal(next to India) or that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Israel.
It's good karma that Christianity flourished everywhere but bad karma that the East declined.
Bad karma can be reversed. Look at CHC and NCC, for example. Facts speak for themselves.
In India, Christians treat their women better. There's no female foeticide among Christians who live in tribal areas.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
oic. you are bitter because you couldn't find a girlfriend in church. You couldn't bear to see other youngsters who are successful.
They are successful because they join the church for the right reason. As for you, you are bitter because of your disrespect for the higher power.
so join church will get girl for sure lah ? and get rich lah ?
so these are the reasons why young people go church.......................only when got benefit lah.............
now i know why so many pedophiles masquerade as priests............and Dong Kee, the City Harvest Church pastor get so rich...........and how come her horse-face wife, Sun Whore can start her singing career despite sounding like a crow with sore-throat..................
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
so join church will get girl for sure lah ? and get rich lah ?
so these are the reasons why young people go church.......................only when got benefit lah.............
now i know why so many pedophiles masquerade as priests............and Dong Kee, the City Harvest Church pastor get so rich...........and how come her horse-face wife, Sun Whore can start her singing career despite sounding like a crow with sore-throat..................
You answered your own question.....and then you ask the same question again?! Well done!
First. If you're not handsome, get an ordinary girl lah. Why become so bitter?
Do you know that when you die. there is a paradise where there are virgins waiting, boys or girls of your choosing. Don't be bitter in this life. Your next life is very promising.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Another distorted history lesson from your warped mind.
Don't be sad that Buddha was born in Nepal(next to India) or that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Israel.
It's good karma that Christianity flourished everywhere but bad karma that the East declined.
Bad karma can be reversed. Look at CHC and NCC, for example. Facts speak for themselves.
In India, Christians treat their women better. There's no female foeticide among Christians who live in tribal areas.
so you saying that becoz people think Jesus is not a black guy, people join lor..............anyone living in and around the middle east isn't white with blonde hair and blue eyes............
so commercialization of the churches is good lah....................
and weren't most of the major wars fought by and started by christians ?...............not to mention the numerous in-fighting among them as well...................
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
You answered your own question.....and then you ask the same question again?! Well done!
First. If you're not handsome, get an ordinary girl lah. Why become so bitter?
Do you know that when you die. there is a paradise where there are virgins waiting, boys or girls of your choosing. Don't be bitter in this life. Your next life is very promising.
when did i ever complain i can't get a girl.....................if there's a paradise where there are many virgins for me to choose from, then it must be hell for these virgins................then is this paradise heaven or hell leh...........
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
so you saying that becoz people think Jesus is not a black guy, people join lor..............anyone living in and around the middle east isn't white with blonde hair and blue eyes............
so commercialization of the churches is good lah....................
and weren't most of the major wars fought by and started by christians ?...............not to mention the numerous in-fighting among them as well...................
christianity is declining in europe, even the pope says so, and europe grows stronger politically, economically and its standard of living is increasing
whereas it is popular in latin america, the philippines and the likes...but look at the state of their countries
what he says does not make sense
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
when did i ever complain i can't get a girl.....................if there's a paradise where there are many virgins for me to choose from, then it must be hell for these virgins................then is this paradise heaven or hell leh...........
agogoboy musta thought that the only reason going to church is wooing girl
how sad
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Since when you see people being successful and say "I am taoist / buddhist?" -- Hell no right? What about Christians? Yes. As same as the completeness of family.
I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't teach the Christians to shout out to the world "I'm a Christian" when they become successful.
Since when you see people became crazy when become a christian? Not really right? I am pretty sure you see some youths ended up jump down from 9 storey flat in Bedok Resevoir (And die) right? What was the cause? Believing in Taoism or rather, Taoist who believe that after their death can become excorist. Crap! They should have watched D-Grey Man (Even though I am no anime fan)
Where is your source? Or is this an assumption? So you claiming that IMH is Christian-free?
What about Taoist / Buddhist? Taoist I am not very sure, but Buddhist says Karma (Was it the right term?). In short, of my limited knowledge, it appears that that has to do with my past life or whatever? Hell who knows if such exist and even if so (Against Chrisitian belief), it is quite unfair because now things should now settle, dont later come and claim. (Like refund good policy also got like 2 weeks, 15 days or 30 days one right? How can one say o, u last 20 years bought a TV and now spoilt, ask for refund?!)
Karma doesn't necessarily involve past life, it's like the concept of do to others what you would want others to do to you which can be found in Abrahamic religions too.
And being Atheist as you claim to be one doesn't justify being ignorant, I'm not religious but when I lack the knowledge of a certain religion, I do research.
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seems that people go church for personal selfish gains.................to gain wealth, pleasure, etc etc............
if Jesus said that there's no wealth or sensual pleasures to be gained, i wonder if the pope would be the 1st to leave...............LOL
like i've always said, there are religions that are based on reward and those on fear...............whether it makes sense or not, people instinctively will know even if they refuse to accept it..............
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as long as people still crave for an eternal life, there'll be false religions promising them that with heaven and such, all full of pleasures........so the religious leaders can gain great wealth and power..........
it is this craving for an eternal life that allow false prophets/messiahs (not that there are any real ones at all) to start religions...............
people simply cannot accept that there's no eternal after-life because they'll feel their present lives have no meaning ! they refuse to accept that their existence on earth for that several decades has no significance...............
ultimately, there's also the fear of death............so they choose to think that after their death, they can have an after-life somewhere far far better than their previous life.............
for whatever religions, they never pause to think why should their Gods look like humans.............why they act like humans..............and have human traits like anger, jealousy, favouritism..................
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't teach the Christians to shout out to the world "I'm a Christian" when they become successful.Well, although no, but neither one got see a lot of such successful people from non-Christian either from many areas, not only being $$ rich, but can be in may forms.
Originally posted by RoyFang:
Where is your source? Or is this an assumption? So you claiming that IMH is Christian-free?It is not really an assumption, but it is quite clear that there are people die for religion. This is fact. Not so much on Christian compared to others (Since just now give a Chinese religion, and everyone knows about terrorism is about using suicide squads tactics that mess up with countries globally), although I give you 1 example, refer to the thread on Mastarbation sinful thing? where one committed suicide due to some talks with the pastor or whatever. More details there and I wont repeat.
Originally posted by RoyFang:
Karma doesn't necessarily involve past life, it's like the concept of do to others what you would want others to do to you which can be found in Abrahamic religions too.And being Atheist as you claim to be one doesn't justify being ignorant, I'm not religious but when I lack the knowledge of a certain religion, I do research.
This one, I wont comment as I agree especially on the need of research, but unfortunately, the concept does not seemed to be this way to me either. Afterall, I wont condemn Karma concept if that happened to the present life, such as if you unfilal to your parents by sending them overseas or whatever dont acknowledge them (That is in the precondition that if one's parents have do their duty as parents, unlike some neglect their child, which is an obvious exception, even by law) etc, and in the end, one is kena dumped by their child 30 years later. More similar example can be quoted, but main thing is that cause and effect only make sense to me in present life ONLY.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Well, although no, but neither one got see a lot of such successful people from non-Christian either from many areas, not only being $$ rich, but can be in may forms.
Can link me to your source that there aren't a lot of successful people who are non-Christian?
It is not really an assumption, but it is quite clear that there are people die for religion. This is fact. Not so much on Christian compared to others (Since just now give a Chinese religion, and everyone knows about terrorism is about using suicide squads tactics that mess up with countries globally), although I give you 1 example, refer to the thread on Mastarbation sinful thing? where one committed suicide due to some talks with the pastor or whatever. More details there and I wont repeat.
Yes, some people are willing to die for religions...yet, in that example as you cite the boy died because he is a Taoist....refer back to the part I explained Buddhism in China and Chinese community...Taoism without Chinese folk religion doesn't teach that one can become exorcist by dying.
Terrorism isn't only about using suicide squads...
This one, I wont comment as I agree especially on the need of research, but unfortunately, the concept does not seemed to be this way to me either. Afterall, I wont condemn Karma concept if that happened to the present life, such as if you unfilal to your parents by sending them overseas or whatever dont acknowledge them (That is in the precondition that if one's parents have do their duty as parents, unlike some neglect their child, which is an obvious exception, even by law) etc, and in the end, one is kena dumped by their child 30 years later. More similar example can be quoted, but main thing is that cause and effect only make sense to me in present life ONLY.
Well, it's your view on Karma and I expressed mine.
Btw does bearing the burden of the sin of your ancestors (the curse of Adam and Eve) make sense to you?
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People become Christians because they need Salvation in their lives and they want to know GOD and include GOD into their lives.
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GOOGOOMUCK say i can get wealth and virgins of my choosing wor................hmmm, i'm starting to see the light of becoming a Christian..............
me have seen the light liao..............why should i pass up a wonderful eternal after-life ?
GOOGOOMUCK, brudder................if i wanna be a christian, how do i go about it ah ?
also, where can i get meself a 2nd hand bible ah ? me can no afford me a new one leh.............
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how, Dondontan...............wanna join me boh ? Googoomuck can be our guiding light mah...............
we can share the cost of the 2nd hand bible mah..............lower our cost of entry..........
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Even if one has to go after the murderer later, also not after the murderer had committed suicide (Pity) or kena same reason and died. At least this applies to the law of almost any country, including Singapore. But sure, if one committed suicide for any reason, their body will be caned regardless of gender.
Even I know that Buddhism and Taoism are different, but they are quite commonly practiced by Chinese (Many Indians also practice Buddhism, where Taoist no) and on top of that (Which is not really a reason due to place of origin and the history developments), they do share certain in common, more than the common point in between of any other religions.
you have the misconceptions that retributions (karma, cause and effects) will only happen in the next life time. in fact, many happen within the same life time. jack neo is one good example. many more if you were to observe people around you. in office, relatives, friends or even strangers from the newspaper.don't be too happy if your wish to become successful and rich is granted by heavenly gods and goddess. if one does not deserve it (no good karma), there is a trade off and the worst trade off is your life span. thus, to paly safe, do good deeds sincerely. don't believe, start observing now.
reasons for stopping me in believing in christianity, mainly are as follows :
1) god is not so cruel to create animals who bleed and feel like humans for consumptions for he is a loving god.
2) many questions unanswered that lead to creations.
3) he is a loving god, why people still suffer.
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u forgot being christian need to spend a lot of money
u need to give $$ to the church monthly
u nid pray before u eat ur food
u nid to pray for this and that, and every weekend nid to go church pray
i also a youngster never become christians. why? because i follow my parents religion which is taoism.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Cannot say like that lah. Coz, since when Taoist (Not so for Buddhist, maybe?) can see good marriages one (Or even meet your gf, no need first, any term also can)?
No right? Even yes, later also kena divorce one, almost can be sure, almost especially sure to those vegetarians due to these religions. (And almost sure that for people who say no and boos on me regarding this, is because they are not married or even have a relationship once in their entire lifetime, no ---- secretly in love or one sided love / puppy love does not count). Ok, you can hate me for that, but this is what I see with almost no exception. Sure, you can claim that chrisitans also got extra marital scandal (More famous one like JN, etc) and neither is that a complete family either, but the first thing is if you join Taoism especially, you are not given a damn chance!
Since when you see people being successful and say "I am taoist / buddhist?" -- Hell no right? What about Christians? Yes. As same as the completeness of family.
Since when you see people became crazy when become a christian? Not really right? I am pretty sure you see some youths ended up jump down from 9 storey flat in Bedok Resevoir (And die) right? What was the cause? Believing in Taoism or rather, Taoist who believe that after their death can become excorist. Crap! They should have watched D-Grey Man (Even though I am no anime fan)
What is the reason for not able to be rich, hippy or whatever (No boy/girl friend lah)....?
In one of the "hippy" Chrisitan area in Suntec level 3, although I cant remember the full thing, but to summarize it is basically it means that God believes that you (one) is not yet up to it /cannot handle it. He does not wish you to become a sucker (Like a vampire drama series, cant remember the name) to leech out of your date. He will give it to you when you are really ready such that it is the best for you.What about Taoist / Buddhist? Taoist I am not very sure, but Buddhist says Karma (Was it the right term?). In short, of my limited knowledge, it appears that that has to do with my past life or whatever? Hell who knows if such exist and even if so (Against Chrisitian belief), it is quite unfair because now things should now settle, dont later come and claim. (Like refund good policy also got like 2 weeks, 15 days or 30 days one right? How can one say o, u last 20 years bought a TV and now spoilt, ask for refund?!)
In summary, in seems like the Christianity's explanation can "heal" those lost people without hurting their pride much. It gives them a power to go up and requesting the need more so that god (He) will give it at a suitable time. Whether is it true or not, I have never seen it, I just think that personally, I am atheist, who ban religion, but among those religion, I still can accept more on christian, not because of Ang Mo one but because the way they phrase it looked more suitable and appealing in the perspective of psychology, even if they have missed out certain fundamental facts. (Such as how does human created after Adam & Eve because the records got some error or not complete enough lol!)
just curious. what is the explanation that you consider logical for people who were born poor (in poor family or poor countries).
europeans, americans and british are mainly christians but their divorce rate is very high. thus, your observation that completeness of family for christians is not correct.
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
Can link me to your source that there aren't a lot of successful people who are non-Christian?
I admit, no, despite I see generally those successful people may need to go more hurdles than Christians afterall.
Yes, some people are willing to die for religions...yet, in that example as you cite the boy died because he is a Taoist....refer back to the part I explained Buddhism in China and Chinese community...Taoism without Chinese folk religion doesn't teach that one can become exorcist by dying.
Terrorism isn't only about using suicide squads...
This one I agree on Taoism / Buddhism issue. But, Terrorism also about spreading their extremism ideology due to their grivenance and mainly using suicide squads in the name of holy war. Did you see they mainly use elections to be on power? Most of them no, except notable exception in Middle East, Palestine. The rest apart of the 2 extremes is a rebel military force either.
Well, it's your view on Karma and I expressed mine.
Btw does bearing the burden of the sin of your ancestors (the curse of Adam and Eve) make sense to you?
No, neither. Afterall the story of Adam and Eve in the first place dont make sense to me either. (Some people condemn a pastor for condeming LGBT people, which the rebuttal was how was the humans continued after the 2 sons of Adam and Eve, unless incest because that will turn into LGBT (Anyway, humans are not to be reproduced in LGBT way either), which from start, I already stated there is a major flaw there OR certain records inaccuracies / incomplete.
I try not to OT, but from start my point is that why would youngsters join Christian as topic, is because of "higher failure of life rates" and also the way of explanation is something more like the youngsters wana to listen instead of bashing non-Chrisitians religion in the name of Atheist. (PS: Like the below forumer, who said he from young follwed his / her Taoist parents etc, but for my case, was initally a Taoist mum who converted to Buddhist at a later time --- Primary 5 or 6 where now I am in Poly 2. This had never accepted by me either, but personally, I still hate Taoist more than Buddhism because the latteral do make sense to me somehow while the former almost no. In the name of fairness, and be "secular" so as to avoid conflicts, I put myself a name of Atheist either)
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Anyway, I try to stick to topic, maybe some forumers pointed out that Westerners do have higher divorce rates is also logical rebuttal.
Anyway, it just that all religions also want to benefit the people. There are people who try to look appealing to young so that the religioncan continue and benefit more people (At least on their view).
On chrisitans, we saw hippy pastors and few even there dancing and singing praises to Him.
On Buddhist, we saw few monks can sing and dance as well, though formally no temple like those hippy "dancing areas" like the above. However, do you think most young people will accept being botak or rather appealing to them --- Hell NO! (Not me, since I am used to it)
On Islam, I am not sure, but what is certain is that I saw some mosques in the East & West side of Singapore do have banners outside their mosques featuring the youngs (Malay, obviously) and while not so hippy, but at least they have a sense of belonging and mentioned things like enhace the wisdom with them or sort of? (Better than none at all)
Others not sure either.
Just like in any MLM, franchise or business, there are people who success and fail. There are always iconic representatives from each and whatsoever.All these excludes outlawed business as well as outlawed religious groups.
The business (Esp. MLM) can always say this and that fabulous things, making people to believe what they say and certain products they sell are placebo effect either. To me, religion also like that, regardless Christian, or whatever. These really can solve problems? Maybe, after you have being hypnotized by them. I dont fully agree on Christian, but my point has been trying to point out why is Christian more appealing to young, from my point of view, even though it ended up to certain extent to be bashing up Taoism especially and Buddhism, since I may have got heated up when the moment I have thought of it.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Anyway, I try to stick to topic, maybe some forumers pointed out that Westerners do have higher divorce rates is also logical rebuttal.
Anyway, it just that all religions also want to benefit the people. There are people who try to look appealing to young so that the religioncan continue and benefit more people (At least on their view).
On chrisitans, we saw hippy pastors and few even there dancing and singing praises to Him.
On Buddhist, we saw few monks can sing and dance as well, though formally no temple like those hippy "dancing areas" like the above. However, do you think most young people will accept being botak or rather appealing to them --- Hell NO! (Not me, since I am used to it)
On Islam, I am not sure, but what is certain is that I saw some mosques in the East & West side of Singapore do have banners outside their mosques featuring the youngs (Malay, obviously) and while not so hippy, but at least they have a sense of belonging and mentioned things like enhace the wisdom with them or sort of? (Better than none at all)
Others not sure either.
Just like in any MLM, franchise or business, there are people who success and fail. There are always iconic representatives from each and whatsoever.All these excludes outlawed business as well as outlawed religious groups.
The business (Esp. MLM) can always say this and that fabulous things, making people to believe what they say and certain products they sell are placebo effect either. To me, religion also like that, regardless Christian, or whatever. These really can solve problems? Maybe, after you have being hypnotized by them. I dont fully agree on Christian, but my point has been trying to point out why is Christian more appealing to young, from my point of view, even though it ended up to certain extent to be bashing up Taoism especially and Buddhism, since I may have got heated up when the moment I have thought of it.
i think i will choose a religion that tells me how to take control of my fate and how to change my fate than leave my fate to someone else or the unknown.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
I admit, no, despite I see generally those successful people may need to go more hurdles than Christians afterall.
How so? Would you like to name some examples?
This one I agree on Taoism / Buddhism issue. But, Terrorism also about spreading their extremism ideology due to their grivenance and mainly using suicide squads in the name of holy war. Did you see they mainly use elections to be on power? Most of them no, except notable exception in Middle East, Palestine. The rest apart of the 2 extremes is a rebel military force either.
The act of threatening to destroy religious building belonging to another religion in one's country is also an act of terrorism while the use of suicide squads is the most common covered by the medias. Palestine is an example of "failed" democracy.
I try not to OT, but from start my point is that why would youngsters join Christian as topic, is because of "higher failure of life rates" and also the way of explanation is something more like the youngsters wana to listen instead of bashing non-Chrisitians religion in the name of Atheist. (PS: Like the below forumer, who said he from young follwed his / her Taoist parents etc, but for my case, was initally a Taoist mum who converted to Buddhist at a later time --- Primary 5 or 6 where now I am in Poly 2. This had never accepted by me either, but personally, I still hate Taoist more than Buddhism because the latteral do make sense to me somehow while the former almost no. In the name of fairness, and be "secular" so as to avoid conflicts, I put myself a name of Atheist either)
Yes, I agree. Young people want to listen to good things rather than the bad as I'm a young adult myself I would rather listen to one preaching about the love of God than one preaching about God's jealousy, wrath and violence. But yet the preaching of half the story just bothers me. But I understand what you're saying.
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
The act of threatening to destroy religious building belonging to another religion in one's country is also an act of terrorism while the use of suicide squads is the most common covered by the medias. Palestine is an example of "failed" democracy.
Ok, people may tend to see things not covered fully.
How so? Would you like to name some examples?
For this, there are successful people ended up failure because of their wrong doings, you reap what you seow as a saying, similar to Karma which is logical in the case of people caught by police and charged by the court for real criminal offenses (Instead of political supress in anywhere world) or people like Tigers and Jack. This can be quite subjective and people view it differently. To me, I see it as people who fight for their request and suffered for almost 30 years or slightly more but had finally reached the goals they want is a success, while people who have fight for about 22 years but still under oppression and no sign of real changes and progress despite both getting sympathy from else where in the world is still a failure because their objective had not met and how long could a person live? Lol, this can be subjective and political and possibly not so much on religion because that also depends on who the opressor is and full history context which is OT but, my point is, success to me = my objective had reached and failure = my objective had not met or need some amendments to it (Still better than nil afterall)
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
The act of threatening to destroy religious building belonging to another religion in one's country is also an act of terrorism while the use of suicide squads is the most common covered by the medias. Palestine is an example of "failed" democracy.
Ok, people may tend to see things not covered fully.
How so? Would you like to name some examples?
For this, there are successful people ended up failure because of their wrong doings, you reap what you seow as a saying, similar to Karma which is logical in the case of people caught by police and charged by the court for real criminal offenses (Instead of political supress in anywhere world) or people like Tigers and Jack. This can be quite subjective and people view it differently. To me, I see it as people who fight for their request and suffered for almost 30 years or slightly more but had finally reached the goals they want is a success, while people who have fight for about 22 years but still under oppression and no sign of real changes and progress despite both getting sympathy from else where in the world is still a failure because their objective had not met and how long could a person live? Lol, this can be subjective and political and possibly not so much on religion because that also depends on who the opressor is and full history context which is OT but, my point is, success to me = my objective had reached and failure = my objective had not met or need some amendments to it (Still better than nil afterall)