No one knows the whole Truth
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John 16:12 (New King James Version)
JESUS SAID-
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
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Jesus wanted to tell his disciples more of the Truth.....but He could not, because they could not bear to know the Truth...
So pastors better tell their flock : "I dont know the whole Truth...because Jesus did not want to tell us yet.... we shall wait for the whole Truth to be made known one day.... "
So let us not argue on matters of religion...because no one knows the whole Truth .....
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Originally posted by idwar:
John 16:12 (New King James Version)
JESUS SAID-
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
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Jesus wanted to tell his disciples more of the Truth.....but He could not, because they could not bear to know the Truth...
So pastors better tell their flock : "I dont know the whole Truth...because Jesus did not want to tell us yet.... we shall wait for the whole Truth to be made known one day.... "
So let us not argue on matters of religion...because no one knows the whole Truth .....
sure ? jesus said that ? is it in the bible ? how come no christians mention it ?
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TS TS TS !! =D, y people always like to quote only 1 verse.. Dun Twarp the message leis.. LOL LOL LOL..
John 16 : 13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
What Jesus say is that, to his disciples, he, cannot tell them what will be in the future, for his death will come.. IF HE TELL THEM, think, if will his disciples stop Judas? The answer is Yes.. And as for why do he want to die. is becoz he want to save us all.. n redeem us from our sin, for the law was given.. and allow those who believe in him, recieve the promises he has already promised..
To TS: do not make such a senseless topic w/o getting ur facts right.. Thank you.. =D
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You get your facts right.
I quote from the Bible. You added your own words, trying to "explain' what you thought Jesus was trying to say.
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Even St. Paul says that our understanding is but a poor reflection, unlike some who claim they understand all the mysteries of God :
1 Corinthians 13:12
12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known
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Originally posted by idwar:
John 16:12 (New King James Version)
JESUS SAID-
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
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Jesus wanted to tell his disciples more of the Truth.....but He could not, because they could not bear to know the Truth...
So pastors better tell their flock : "I dont know the whole Truth...because Jesus did not want to tell us yet.... we shall wait for the whole Truth to be made known one day.... "
So let us not argue on matters of religion...because no one knows the whole Truth .....
That is correct. You don't know the truth, let's not argue on matters of religion.
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TS you take verses out of context...
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You say I quote out of context....you dare speak as if you are right and I am wrong... even God says humans perceive things differently from how HE perceives :
Isaiah 55:8-9 (New International Version)
8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
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how then do you account for Yeshua's narration of John 16:13? all of us here know that we all don't know the whole truth, but the time for restoration is at hand and we are being restored to the truth.
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16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17) [emphasis mine]
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Originally posted by idwar:
You get your facts right.
I quote from the Bible. You added your own words, trying to "explain' what you thought Jesus was trying to say.
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Even St. Paul says that our understanding is but a poor reflection, unlike some who claim they understand all the mysteries of God :
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Nobody claims that he or she understands all the mysteries of God
If there's such person I ask for references otherwise you're basing your argument on a hollow ground. -
You see how many times did Abraham had an experience with God? A mere few times And what about his wife Sarah? hardly! She hardly knew God except what she had been told by Abraham. So did Jacob, Joseph etc. The person who probably had the most experience with God was probably the ancient prophets notably Moses.
That's the whole reason why faith still matters even when the personal knowledge of God is there.
What is not revealed to A was revealed to B so that the bible records the all knowledge about God that's able to be recorded withstanding time the purpose of which so that another person may learn from another person experience with God. Hopefully so that he may experience God himself however little and as a testimony to glorify God. That's the purpose of the bible to bear testament of God's work just like saying "Look people God divided the red sea for the ancient people of Israel!" or "Look people God shifted back the shadows from the sun as a sign of his agreement as requested" -
isn't the King James version compiled and edited by Francis Bacon aka William Shakespeare.................all for political reasons
wouldn't be surprised if he was the actual author of Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.................
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But you don't resent harry potter or Lord of the rings and you must seek the answer to that WHY?
The same reason why some people who don't resent the bible must resent harry potter or Lord of the rings.
Thy must all ask WHY?! -
The only preacher who admitted in the pulpuit that he does not understand how God works was John Wimber of the Vineyard movement. He was honest in his admission.
Which pastor do you know has ever admitted his lack of understanding?
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Originally posted by idwar:
The only preacher who admitted in the pulpuit that he does not understand how God works was John Wimber of the Vineyard movement. He was honest in his admission.
Which pastor do you know has ever admitted his lack of understanding?
many.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
But you don't resent harry potter or Lord of the rings and you must seek the answer to that WHY?
The same reason why some people who don't resent the bible must resent harry potter or Lord of the rings.
Thy must all ask WHY?!what i meant is that the religion is a complete fabrication..................the Roman emperor created the religion for political reasons............
there are over 30 ancient messiahs/saviours all before Jesus's time and they all share the same............
late december birth................virgin birth...............held as messiahs/saviours...............betrayed and killed.............resurrection.................
there was one well-known British Christian historian who admitted that most of the teachings/stories in the bible are very close to those of earlier messiahs/saviours..................some even word for word.............
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The Roman empire persecuted the religion which they viewed as a cult originating from Judea. Again an inaccurate twisting of history which in other words a lie.
And no it's not a fabrication a knowledge which I hold that God is real. The question is not whether God whom I believe in and not whether Christ is real but whether salvation will be mine or ours
I challenge you to name those 30 saviors so that I could look on them on the internet -
Originally posted by idwar:
The only preacher who admitted in the pulpuit that he does not understand how God works was John Wimber of the Vineyard movement. He was honest in his admission.
Which pastor do you know has ever admitted his lack of understanding?
Interesting you did not answer me so which preacher admits that he understands all the mysteries of God?
You try to go around my question by saying that only John Wimber admits that he doesn't know how God works but that's not the answer to my question my question is which preacher claim to know all the mysteries of God?
You go to a service this Sunday a pastor or a priest then ask him whether he knows all the mysteries of God or know how God works exactly in every way.
If you find one which tells you that he does. Send me his email I've got a lot to ask. -
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
The Roman empire persecuted the religion which they viewed as a cult originating from Judea. Again an inaccurate twisting of history which in other words a lie.
And no it's not a fabrication a knowledge which I hold that God is real. The question is not whether God whom I believe in and not whether Christ is real but whether salvation will be mine or ours
I challenge you to name those 30 saviors so that I could look on them on the interneti could name you some institution which could save u, like Institute for Mental Health for one
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Interesting you did not answer me so which preacher admits that he understands all the mysteries of God?
You try to go around my question by saying that only John Wimber admits that he doesn't know how God works but that's not the answer to my question my question is which preacher claim to know all the mysteries of God?
You go to a service this Sunday a pastor or a priest then ask him whether he knows all the mysteries of God or know how God works exactly in every way.
If you find one which tells you that he does. Send me his email I've got a lot to ask.so no preacher/pastor understand the mysteries of god? no wonder for their loony illogical ranting
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Hey.........But kids-they have the key ........
Matthew 18:2-6
2He (Jesus) called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
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another out of context quote?
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I know what u did last summer
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maybe the truth is there is no god. if there is a god, there wouldnt be so many sufferings and miseries in our world.
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Its strange how people shoot down questions that they cannot answer by saying God works in mysterious ways yet assume to know and even teach who goes to hell and who doesnt