I think he has the right to say whatever he wants in his church, it is a private not public compound. Moreover the audience chose to sit there and listen out of their own freewill, if they don't like what they hear, they can always leave, nobody is forcing them to stay and listen isn't it? Also, i don't think he is inciting anything against buddhism, merely stating his views about the concepts of buddhism. Why doesn't anyone say anything when people mock the teachings of Christianity about eternal life in Jesus Christ but start a big hoo-haa when Christians raise doubts about other religion's teachings? Double standards or hypocritical? ^.-
so christans can deride other religions and members of other religions have to shuddup?
what double standards or hypocrisy is this?
besides, people making seditious remarks in public should be arrested and hung like chicken
Hi Laurence, I guess u missed the point.. He was saying those stuff in his church, not a public place. Throughout the internet space, you find forum threads and articles of people mocking Christianity and challenging the teachings of Christianity openly and freely. I don't see why the pastor can't state his views in the privacy of his own church to a willing audience?
Haha. This show that he is a Pastor who don't do research. Did he research on his members testimony before sharing it? Like is it what Buddishm actually teach? And then comment it and making remarks. This is pretty unacceptable, even to me. A converted Christian. Obviously, that 2 members are speaking more like a cult, not a religion.
Oh, and something I forgot to add.. Laurence, by saying, "besides, people making seditious remarks in public should be arrested and hung like chicken", isn't that a seditious remark in itself? So erm.. should someone be hung like chicken here? hmmm..
nope, church and online forums are not private place
not only logically but legally
as seen by legal rulings against racists bloggers and people who hand out chick's tracts in their so called private ways
he made seditious remarks to a congregation
such people should be arrested, hang and quartered
Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:I think he has the right to say whatever he wants in his church, it is a private not public compound. Moreover the audience chose to sit there and listen out of their own freewill, if they don't like what they hear, they can always leave, nobody is forcing them to stay and listen isn't it? Also, i don't think he is inciting anything against buddhism, merely stating his views about the concepts of buddhism. Why doesn't anyone say anything when people mock the teachings of Christianity about eternal life in Jesus Christ but start a big hoo-haa when Christians raise doubts about other religion's teachings? Double standards or hypocritical? ^.-
Next you will be saying Islamic extremists have the rights to preach their extreme ideas in Mosques because the audience can choose to listen or leave...
Saying another religion is rubbish, demonic, false religion, craps, satanic, blind leading the blind and etc is not inciting anything against Buddhism? Hello?!Then why do Christians get angry when some people state their views on the concepts of Christianity in here? Double standards?
If someone hold a gathering and preach that Christianity is satanic, false and demonic and maybe to you it's all legal and certainly not hostile or inciting anything towards Christianity, is it your view?
Funny that you said that no one is saying anything what people mock Christianity when it's obivious there are people defending. Stop trying to portray Christians as victims...
Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:Oh, and something I forgot to add.. Laurence, by saying, "besides, people making seditious remarks in public should be arrested and hung like chicken", isn't that a seditious remark in itself? So erm.. should someone be hung like chicken here? hmmm..
its not a seditious remark
i think we as singaporeans should fight against such people
we already did successfully in the AWARE saga, and should continue carrying our civic duties
Originally posted by RoyFang:Next you will be saying Islamic extremists have the rights to preach their extreme ideas in Mosques because the audience can choose to listen or leave...
Saying another religion is rubbish, demonic, false religion, craps, satanic, blind leading the blind and etc is not inciting anything against Buddhism? Hello?!Then why do Christians get angry when some people state their views on the concepts of Christianity in here? Double standards?
If someone hold a gathering and preach that Christianity is satanic, false and demonic and maybe to you it's all legal and certainly not hostile or inciting anything towards Christianity, is it your view?
Funny that you said that no one is saying anything what people mock Christianity when it's obivious there are people defending. Stop trying to portray Christians as victims...
from my first day here in sgf till now, and comparing the amount of times members of other religions got attached by christans, you are right, its kinda annoying christans like to portray themselves as victims when they are the one who incite such provocations
even the ones who agree such actions are wrong also shrugged their shoulders and adopt a apathetic attitude
hence it always look like non christans who are flaming christans but i think we have to defend ourselves lest we get taken over, just like what happened in AWARE
he thinks that christianity is the true religion and other religions are false and satanic. how wrong he is. he is trapped in his own paradigm. you should feel sad for these fundamentalist people.
lol.. you people are over reacting.. comparing what he said to islamic extremists? i don't tink he even went anywhere near "u shd strap bombs on yourself and blow up those infidels (aka buddhism here)" hahahahaha.. rather tickling comparison.. hey hey don't get all worked up ya.. i guess since centuries ago, people have been openly denouncing Christianity? Its a 2 way thing really, there are as many people criticising Christianity as compared to Christians criticising other religions.. In fact, i don't even remember any Christian getting all worked up and hostile when I challenged the teachings of Christianity..
anyway where is the proof that god and satan exists? if he is so smart, tell him to proof it, or else put up or shut up.
Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:lol.. you people are over reacting.. comparing what he said to islamic extremists? i don't tink he even went anywhere near "u shd strap bombs on yourself and blow up those infidels (aka buddhism here)" hahahahaha.. rather tickling comparison.. hey hey don't get all worked up ya.. i guess since centuries ago, people have been openly denouncing Christianity? Its a 2 way thing really, there are as many people criticising Christianity as compared to Christians criticising other religions.. In fact, i don't even remember any Christian getting all worked up and hostile when I challenged the teachings of Christianity..
we can never over-react
why should we adopt an apathetic attitude towards such nonsense?
by the way, i see christians get worked up, i wonder why you dont
Originally posted by laurence82:we can never over-react
why should we adopt an apathetic attitude towards such nonsense?
by the way, i see christians get worked up, i wonder why you dont
They cannot tolerate Christianity kena critise ma... God, religion and all related stuff is a debatable theology. These are often challenged against. If one really belive in their religion, they will be acting on faith and belive, not theology
look at the history of christianity and the bloodshed. in ancient times, if you do not agree or dare to defy them, you will be persecuted and killed. look no more than copernicus? what did the church do to him?
Originally posted by Dark_Zero:They cannot tolerate Christianity kena critise ma... God, religion and all related stuff is a debatable theology. These are often challenged against. If one really belive in their religion, they will be acting on faith and belive, not theology
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At least it's funny nonsense, I didn't waste exactly waste the 20 minutes watching the videos!
How many people were there in the crowd? They totally lost their inhibitions and rationality!
Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:lol.. you people are over reacting.. comparing what he said to islamic extremists? i don't tink he even went anywhere near "u shd strap bombs on yourself and blow up those infidels (aka buddhism here)" hahahahaha.. rather tickling comparison.. hey hey don't get all worked up ya.. i guess since centuries ago, people have been openly denouncing Christianity? Its a 2 way thing really, there are as many people criticising Christianity as compared to Christians criticising other religions.. In fact, i don't even remember any Christian getting all worked up and hostile when I challenged the teachings of Christianity..
Centuries ago, you will be executed for being a heretic by denouncing Christianity or just being a non-believer in Europe...lol?!
And I'm not comparing what he said to Islamic extremists, it's about your view on his speech.
Well, I do experienced Christians getting all worked up and hostile when I challenged the teachings of Christianity. Funny that you don't, since you're posting in here.
thats the thing with religion. people usually lose their rationality and is like an opiate. fundamentalism and extremism were a result of brainwashing. humans just needed another excuse to wage wars and create unrests in the name of religion. thats human nature for you. we humans can be the opposite spectrum of good and evil.
倘若生气ä¸ä»–计。。。
Originally posted by Hello Kitty:倘若生气ä¸ä»–计。。。
Kitty is so wise. yes but true. we all know how fundamentalists are by now haven't we. there are a lot of his kind already in Singapore.
hi rooney, thks for praisin me again.
dun waste our tax $$$ & national resourses.
no nit to call mother, call police & all these lubbish lah.
say ppl no religious tolerance; ownself canot xhibit tolerance got wat use.
Originally posted by Hello Kitty:hi rooney, thks for praisin me again.
dun waste our tax $$$ & national resourses.
no nit to call mother, call police & all these lubbish lah.
say ppl no religious tolerance; ownself canot xhibit tolerance got wat use.
my pleasure kitty.
these people is only soiling themselves. when u spit at the heavens, the saliva only come back to you. you have to pity him, cause he ownself did not realise that. he is akin to being in jail, imprisoned by his set of belief systems.
juz like the facebook fiasco.
dos ppl are beri pathetic loh.
mk ppl no like dem more nia.
dis is my fave racist joke of all time:
An Italian, a Scotsman, and a Chinese fellow were hired at a construction site. The foreman pointed out a huge pile of sand and told the Italian guy, "You're in charge of sweeping." To the Scotsman he said, "You're in charge of shoveling." And to the Chinese guy, "You're in charge of supplies."
He then said, "Now, I have to leave for a little while. I expect you guys to make a dent in that there pile."
The foreman went away for a of couple hours, and, when he returned, the pile of sand was untouched. He asked the Italian, "Why didn't you sweep any of it?" The Italian replied, "I no hava no broom. You said to the Chinese fella that he a wasa in a charge of supplies, but he hasa disappeared and I no coulda finda him nowhere." Then the foreman turned to the Scotsman and said, "And you, I thought I told you to shovel this pile."
The Scotsman replied, "Aye, ye did lad, boot ah couldnay get meself a shoovel! Ye left th' Chinese gadgie in chairge of supplies, boot ah couldnay fin' him either." The foreman was really angry by now and stormed off toward the pile of sand to look for the Chinese guy.
Just then, the Chinese guy jumped out from behind the pile of sand and yelled...
"SUPPLIES!!"