Local church - 310 Million expansion to buy land
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Originally posted by laurence82:
yes thanks for clarification that u wanna snipe me
谢谢
Again you're twisting it.
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dude
dont fark ard with my head leh
cant slp now
i am sooo curious
and playing with my spanking new ifone of cuz
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Again you're twisting it.
u did what u did
by the way this is ur 2nd snipe
i dun appeciate such things, so i will now take u to task for it!
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Originally posted by laurence82:
dude
dont fark ard with my head leh
cant slp now
i am sooo curious
and playing with my spanking new ifone of cuz
Nothing much to think about Laurence at least not based on what you said then. Go sleep then or have fun with your iphone. It's a good phone. You probably have lots of applications on it.
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
Christianity is based on ''REWARD'' so as to attract followers............
so with the much bigger church, there'll be 12,000 goons instead of 6,000 that mindlessly sustain the high life of the pastor then........................and the joker can collect rent from the shops and restaurants................and he might sell the whole damn thing for a big profit..................
END OF THE DAY...............all about MONEY..........if you have no money, the pastor is never free to see you..............much less to hear your problems................
Think should further seperate the concept of "reward". Whether or not you believe in "reward" is one thing, but not all churches talk about reward as being material reward. Just to point out the difference, not whether or not you believe there is a reward in the first place.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Nothing much to think about Laurence at least not based on what you said then. Go sleep then or have fun with your iphone. It's a good phone. You probably have lots of applications on it.
There is
awww come on dude, what's the rationale for sniping ppl and then going doesnt matter, ignore it, whatever
why?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
There is
awww come on dude, what's the rationale for sniping ppl and then going doesnt matter, ignore it, whatever
why?
Insert *rolling eye smiley* (being lazy)
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Insert *rolling eye smiley* (being lazy)
So why?
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Originally posted by Dark_Zero:
Relax. What ever the pastor want to do, let them do it. In the end, is God who judge them, not we. Anything they do which is wrong to the god but acceptable to the majority of us they will faced the punishment when they are dead. (Although they say, repent to god and you will be blah blah blah, but they die before they got the chance, if according to that, they are going to a sad sad place =X). So let them do whatever they want. Regarding to tithe and offering, it is more of our personal choice. But we still need to understand they need $ to run the church, and a place for their member to pray and worship. But I will not comment so much on how much $ is acceptable to spent on such stuff. If you are rich, you tend to spent more. And giving tithe and offering, for me, is only when you can afford to give, without expecting any return, cause we are giving to help to spread the gospel and help to pay abit for the church, not for the "blessing" in the prosperity theory. If it is for the "blessing", then they are contradicting with theirself cause they mention "Don't treat God like a vending machine, put in $$$ and expect blessing to come out". and I belive the prosperity theory treat god as one. Anyway, pastor something might talk bullshit (since human make mistake, and are not perfect), is up to us to listen and decide. If they constant bullshiting, don't go to that church and find a new one, or backslide, or change a religion. In the end, we usually have no control over this situation beside complaining and commenting on the net.
Yes, ultimately they are answerable to God for whatever they do or don't do.
But people will still discuss about it. Also because for some who don't believe in God, their standpoint is they may not get any reckoning. Just take it as this whole topic is discussion for discussion's sake?
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
That's not how giving to the church is supposed to work. Each time I went, the talk and examples given was always about getting many times back financially or materially.
It doesn't work like that.
That is typical of churches which practise the prosperity theory. Irksome! They make God a greedy god -
Originally posted by laurence82:
So why?
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Yes, ultimately they are answerable to God for whatever they do or don't do.
But people will still discuss about it. Also because for some who don't believe in God, their standpoint is they may not get any reckoning. Just take it as this whole topic is discussion for discussion's sake?
It is also disturbing to other churches and christians not practising the prosperity theory. On the whole, it brings bad name to christianity. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
That is typical of churches which practise the prosperity theory. Irksome! They make God a greedy godI do remember somebody in this forum telling me the emphasis and focus has changed somewhat, but I don't really know for sure as I've not been to CHC or spoken to many of its members since they shifted to Jurong.
I do get the occassional few on the street who will talk to me and ask me to go CHC, but they stop especially when they find out I've been to CHC before they were even members.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
It is also disturbing to other churches and christians not practising the prosperity theory. On the whole, it brings bad name to christianity.Yes I agree.
All in all though, in the short term, the church leaders are answerable to their congregation. If the congregation and church members decide this is what they want, then it shows where they stand as a church.
On the other hand, I do not wish to say my own practice of Christianity is absolute, I will have my own answering to do come judgement day.
If that is what the church members want, even if it were a friend, I cannot tell them no. But if what they wanted was something else then maybe I might suggest differently.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
I do remember somebody in this forum telling me the emphasis and focus has changed somewhat, but I don't really know for sure as I've not been to CHC or spoken to many of its members since they shifted to Jurong.
I do get the occassional few on the street who will talk to me and ask me to go CHC, but they stop especially when they find out I've been to CHC before they were even members.
I was told by a CHC member that kong hee preached that good for christians to be rich so good for preaching gospel. It is more convincing for rich people to preach gospel to the non believers.Correct me if I am wrong - in my past christian life, I have not come across verses or any book in the bible that support his saying.
This is serious!
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
bingo. Many people take it wrongly that money is the root of evil.Well, nowadays with money not being in the same form as it was, it's money and materialism.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
100% irrelevant
Why u want to snipe people, says it doesnt matter, not relevant?
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
I was told by a CHC member that kong hee preached that good for christians to be rich so good for preaching gospel. It is more convincing for rich people to preach gospel to the non believers.Correct me if I am wrong - in my past christian life, I have not come across verses or any book in the bible that support his saying.
This is serious!
It's the approach that they have decided to take.
Think for example Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act. After the show first came out, so many people were talking about changing the way they do worship.
And in materially driven Singapore, some people think the only way for people to take you seriously is to do well financially. They feel they can reach out to people better that way.
In both cases, I understand the reasons and mentality, but do I agree with it? Would I want to adopt that approach?
Btw, I thought of a piece of scripture that could be twisted to suit that and although I wouldn't fall for it, it's not fair for me to imply that he used that phrase either. But as per what you say like that and from my own memory, I don't remember anything like that.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
It's the approach that they have decided to take.
Think for example Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act. After the show first came out, so many people were talking about changing the way they do worship.
And in materially driven Singapore, some people think the only way for people to take you seriously is to do well financially. They feel they can reach out to people better that way.
In both cases, I understand the reasons and mentality, but do I agree with it? Would I want to adopt that approach?
Btw, I thought of a piece of scripture that could be twisted to suit that and although I wouldn't fall for it, it's not fair for me to imply that he used that phrase either. But as per what you say like that and from my own memory, I don't remember anything like that.
Actually, not sure if he is aware that it is a risk to do so for it may one day incur the wrath of god. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
I was told by a CHC member that kong hee preached that good for christians to be rich so good for preaching gospel. It is more convincing for rich people to preach gospel to the non believers.Correct me if I am wrong - in my past christian life, I have not come across verses or any book in the bible that support his saying.
This is serious!
I find it quite sad that I know of and been to quite a few small churches that don't practice a doctrine of prosperity gospel.
Yet it's all these many other churches that keep generating negative attention.
I'm not saying there'll all bad, but it can be that people don't see the good they do or the good that other churches and Christian organistations do.
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pfft avoidance
i go play games
fanta u have fun time with him
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Actually, not sure if he is aware that it is a risk to do so for it may one day incur the wrath of god.For one thing, who are we to truly say what God's wrath is. We may guess, but we won't know for absolute. We are but mere mortals and not cosmic beings of any sort.
I believe that even God's angels won't know how he would judge.
I just hope in the midst of everything, some good is being done somehow. But as an individual, I would not support the organisation.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
For one thing, who are we to truly say what God's wrath is. We may guess, but we won't know for absolute. We are but mere mortals and not cosmic beings of any sort.
I believe that even God's angels won't know how he would judge.
I just hope in the midst of everything, some good is being done somehow. But as an individual, I would not support the organisation.
If you read properly, I did not state that 100%, most likely will incur god's wrath. I use the word "may", so don't judge please. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
If you read properly, I did not state that 100%, most likely will incur god's wrath. I use the word "may", so don't judge please.Don't worry, just commenting. Don't think too much about it. I wasn't referring to you specifically anyway,
I understand it can be very difficult sometimes to talk to people who keep changing the meaning of what you say. But that's not what I was trying to do here.
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Originally posted by SomebodyInSG:
Don't worry, just commenting. Don't think too much about it. I wasn't referring to you specifically anyway,
I understand it can be very difficult sometimes to talk to people who keep changing the meaning of what you say. But that's not what I was trying to do here.
back to churches preaching on prosperity theory, personally I would not encourage people to attend these churches neither will I stop people to stop going.Anyway, these prosperity theory churches have negative stuff to say about the mainstream churches.