Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):
wat u talking?? nkf and ren ci also got their money from donation wat... if not wat?? they rob bank ar?
What talking you? Renci money come from public donors to help run the medical centre hospital.
Church gets its money from its members.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Honestly, penetration of market ? sounds like a marketing strategy concept. Maybe he phrased it wrong as its supposed to be mean like bigger place for worship.. fair enough.
One think i just worry, like a super massive church i been to in my hometown, i just worry they are going the way of a commercial entity.
If Jesus was alive, he wouldve weeped. For those that do no understand, please refer to the books of Mark and Mathew.
I agree.
Any way, something is not very right about that church.
Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):
CHC money come from where??? it's not chc donated the money.......dun stick gold on ur own face
The church keeps asking for money, that is how they have so much $$$$.
What would people think if you are not rich and preach the gospel???? This is what I heard from someone who attend the church. I totally disagree with this saying.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
The church keeps asking for money, that is how they have so much $$$$.What would people think if you are not rich and preach the gospel???? This is what I heard from someone who attend the church. I totally disagree with this saying.
Nope. That 'someone' is wrong. What wrong a pastor being rich? As long he don't get it through illegal or underhand means, and he can the job of the pastor done nicely (without anyhow interprete the bible for their own benifits), it's ok
Originally posted by Dark_Zero:Nope. That 'someone' is wrong. What wrong a pastor being rich? As long he don't get it through illegal or underhand means, and he can the job of the pastor done nicely (without anyhow interprete the bible for their own benifits), it's ok
Don't twist the words and find fault here. Is this the way you show God's love?
Originally posted by Dark_Zero:Nope. That 'someone' is wrong. What wrong a pastor being rich? As long he don't get it through illegal or underhand means, and he can the job of the pastor done nicely (without anyhow interprete the bible for their own benifits), it's ok
I heard there was a pastor in the UK charging 50 pounds per blessing, that is just preying on people's ignorance and guiliblity
Used to be a day where we feel guilt if we did something
Nowaways is, pastor's rich, what's wrong?
How to counter guilt and pursue personal interest? Be shameless about it, people cant do anything
A good trick to use in office too
Originally posted by noahnoah:
a must or not a must at chc.It depends on whether u want to give
however "their teaching always remind us of 100 fold returns"
thats why ppl thought i give 100, will reap 10000 in returns
yeah, as if it is an investment which is morally wrong and it is definitely not true.
why god let jesus had a humble birth place at a stable instead of a palace ? this just got to show that god and jesus are telling their people to be humble, it is the people who don't get it.
i dun remember jesus going to fanciful temples or palaces to preach.
Originally posted by Dark_Zero:Nope. That 'someone' is wrong. What wrong a pastor being rich? As long he don't get it through illegal or underhand means, and he can the job of the pastor done nicely (without anyhow interprete the bible for their own benifits), it's ok
Then we seemed to have a difference in the idea of what is underhanded or not.
I find the practice of instilling guilt on your followers to give money to be pretty damn underhanded.
Would Jesus have liked fancy churches like this?
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:yeah, as if it is an investment which is morally wrong and it is definitely not true.
why god let jesus had a humble birth place at a stable instead of a palace ? this just got to show that god and jesus are telling their people to be humble, it is the people who don't get it.
Hey I agreed with you.
To be humble and nice.
GOD is great, only the human make the GOD look not nice.
So the ritual of prayer has become more important than living according to the teachings of Jesus eh?
I may question the divinity of Jesus but i could agree that he was a very moral person. Somehow i don't think he would have approved of such behaviour.
Time change alot, so as human.
Last time, Jesus time, where got plane and high rise building and shopping center? Now all have liao. Air con somemore.
Last time, human very humble, help each other, now, even next door neighour we also dont know and selfish too.
I thought all disciples of jesus are poorer and simple people. He said tat rich people should donate all their wealth before joining him before. He also warned people not to make money using religion as an excuse by hitting the stores around temples and calling them thieves.
Chicken and egg.
Blame the fools for making the rich wealthy or blame the rich from leeching from the fools?
lol
Originally posted by reservistsianz:I thought all disciples of jesus are poorer and simple people. He said tat rich people should donate all their wealth before joining him before. He also warned people not to make money using religion as an excuse by hitting the stores around temples and calling them thieves.
what you said is true. Wealth sometimes is a blessing from God. It is the motives that count.
Money is not the root of all evil.. the LOVE for money is the root of all evil.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:So the ritual of prayer has become more important than living according to the teachings of Jesus eh?
I may question the divinity of Jesus but i could agree that he was a very moral person. Somehow i don't think he would have approved of such behaviour.
agree
lol
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Money is not the root of all evil.. the LOVE for money is the root of all evil.
bingo. Many people take it wrongly that money is the root of evil.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Don't twist the words and find fault here. Is this the way you show God's love?
I not twisting words. I also not finding fault. I just merely stating facts.
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:I heard there was a pastor in the UK charging 50 pounds per blessing, that is just preying on people's ignorance and guiliblity
Agree.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Then we seemed to have a difference in the idea of what is underhanded or not.I find the practice of instilling guilt on your followers to give money to be pretty damn underhanded.
Would Jesus have liked fancy churches like this?
Underhand. Haha. Playing with people mind. But human are not perfect. And pastor are human, thus not perfect. So this is their imperfect side. Just don't fall prey to it and we will just do fine
Mind and Heart is also the root of evil.
You all very funny leh....the church is building something using their own money, also not public funding, not your money....why u care so much?
Moreover, Pastor Kong Hee is off-salary since dunno how long ago..he's not paid a cent. He founded the church from nothing with his own money and today he also not drawing salary...wat's wrong la?
The church's money and financial statements also on the internet for all to see...the church executive members made up of several hundreds has voting and questioning rights too...everything is done properly and legally la.
THey just need a building to house their members, 27,000 of them...what's wrong with a 12,000 seater? You expect them to squeeze into your 5-room flat issit?
Originally posted by likeyou:Mind and Heart is also the root of evil.
You really think so?
Tell us are you saying that your mind and heart are root of evil?
Originally posted by merkava4:You all very funny leh....the church is building something using their own money, also not public funding, not your money....why u care so much?
Moreover, Pastor Kong Hee is off-salary since dunno how long ago..he's not paid a cent. He founded the church from nothing with his own money and today he also not drawing salary...wat's wrong la?The church's money and financial statements also on the internet for all to see...the church executive members made up of several hundreds has voting and questioning rights too...everything is done properly and legally la.
THey just need a building to house their members, 27,000 of them...what's wrong with a 12,000 seater? You expect them to squeeze into your 5-room flat issit?
this new nick sounds like jerry.