What are the reasons for your belief in God
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Originally posted by despondent:
to TS:
u remember u asked me b4 how to eliminate until christianity was left? now this is the part when the salvation issue comes in...correct me if i am wrong, but is there any other creationistic religion tat teaches salvation by grace other than christianity? in other words, u go heaven not by gd works.
As I have not read up much on other religions, I cannot profess to know.
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Originally posted by despondent:
to TS:
u remember u asked me b4 how to eliminate until christianity was left? now this is the part when the salvation issue comes in...correct me if i am wrong, but is there any other creationistic religion tat teaches salvation by grace other than christianity? in other words, u go heaven not by gd works.
I have no idea what u mean by go heaven not by gd works? btw whats salvation by grace?
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my goodness...u have been interrogating christianity all these while without noeing wads salvation by grace which is the most fundamental and crucial teaching of christianity??? now i understand y we often end up in apple-orange arguments...cos u do not noe the most basic christian fundamentals...u ask any of the ex-christians here...i am sure they noe...
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to TS:
i dunno abt other creationistic religions but for islam, its salvation by gd works...they get to heaven not by grace shown to them but by how well they have kept the commandments of Allah and his teachings...this is diff from christianity...this is a major difference...
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Originally posted by despondent:
to TS:
i dunno abt other creationistic religions but for islam, its salvation by gd works...they get to heaven not by grace shown to them but by how well they have kept the commandments of Allah and his teachings...this is diff from christianity...this is a major difference...
Well I wouldn't agree with this view of Christianity completely, imagine if a person is kind and generous, a perfect model of a human being, but strongly opposes the idea of a god. Many Christians would say this guy would go to hell.
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in other religions, they wanted you to do good things. For christians, they only want more people to believe their religion
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Originally posted by reservistsianz:
in other religions, they wanted you to do good things. For christians, they only want more people to believe their religion
Disagree. They also demand people to be righteous, and help neighbours in need or else on judgement day Christians shall be no different from the non believers and also get judged.
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Originally posted by despondent:
my goodness...u have been interrogating christianity all these while without noeing wads salvation by grace which is the most fundamental and crucial teaching of christianity??? now i understand y we often end up in apple-orange arguments...cos u do not noe the most basic christian fundamentals...u ask any of the ex-christians here...i am sure they noe...
its bad english for goodness sake
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Originally posted by dadeadman1337:
Well I wouldn't agree with this view of Christianity completely, imagine if a person is kind and generous, a perfect model of a human being, but strongly opposes the idea of a god. Many Christians would say this guy would go to hell.
thats their reality and views. they are entitled to their views though, doesnt mean it is the truth or reality. perception is reality to that person only.
yes its absurd and ridiculous on the hell thingy if a good and kind guy who doesnt accept their teachings, will go to hell for eternity. not only is this rude and nonsense, but cursing will only go so far in a certain extent.
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Disagree. They also demand people to be righteous, and help neighbours in need or else on judgement day Christians shall be no different from the non believers and also get judged.
then that is good works right ?
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Originally posted by Larryteo:
Disagree. They also demand people to be righteous, and help neighbours in need or else on judgement day Christians shall be no different from the non believers and also get judged.
I do not question that Christians get judged according to your beliefs, but the question i ask is that if a good person is an unbeliever of Christianity (which claims the denying of the holy spirit to be a mortal sin) will he go to hell in accordance to Christian beliefs?
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i don't think they know the requirements well. Do unborn babies, people who never heard of jesus, severe intellectual deficit people go to heaven ? Do people have to follow the old testaments laws according to jesus words ? Different schools and scholar actually fight over this without any conclusions... I think the reason is because one verse contradicts the other
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Originally posted by reservistsianz:
i don't think they know the requirements well. Do unborn babies, people who never heard of jesus, severe intellectual deficit people go to heaven ? Do people have to follow the old testaments laws according to jesus words ? Different schools and scholar actually fight over this without any conclusions... I think the reason is because one verse contradicts the other
Would this be sufficient in showing the flawed nature of the "holy" book? Whether or not a religion preaches good works, it doesn't make it any more true.
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to rooney9,
its not bad english...tats how we phrase it in christianity...ok, maybe christians have bad english...happy?
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to TS:
if ppl understood wad heaven and hell are to christianity and if ppl understood wad it meant to be saved by grace and not by gd works...they wun be tinking its evil to send someone who do alot of gd to hell...if i was a non-christian, i would share ur views...but after i became christian and learnt the meaning of heaven and hell from christian perspective, i realised it makes sense, at least to me...
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to TS:
actually i was intending to pm u sth which would give u a fuller picture of why it makes sense for someone who do alot of gd still wun go heaven...but after reading 1 statement u typed above, i have decided not to...cos its quite obvious u are not seeking but trying to shoot down christianity...maybe tats not ur intention but it appears tat way to me...at least Fairyfairy86 is sincerely seeking which was y i was prepared to pm him...
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the best way to make more people interested and convert to christainity is simply to make it logical by defending skeptics and critics. Even decisions made by governors, politicians or engineer has to defend skeptic and critic then can they be understood and accepted
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its not tat i havent tried...but wadever i intend to share is sth i will sahre onli privately and onli to those who are seeking and ready to put themselves into the creationist mindset and also accept tat christianity cannot be viewed the same way as other religions...if they insist on viewing christianity the same way as other religions, then no pt sharing wif them cos they wun get it...how i noe? cos i have tried on such ppl, it nvr works...but if the person is seeking, ah...gd chance they will get it and will leave wif sth to tink abt...
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ok, dun say i didnt share...juz abit...if christianity teaches salvation by grace while most other religions(if not all) teach salvation by works, doesnt it give a hint tat we cun view christianity the same way as the rest of the religions?
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ok, dun say i didnt share...juz abit...if christianity teaches salvation by grace while most other religions(if not all) teach salvation by works, doesnt it give a hint tat we cun view christianity the same way as the rest of the religions?
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saw God about 15 years ago after I asked for it....that and a string of other occasions So I guess the reasons are personal.
I've only known another one person who saw Christ but it was in a dream in her case. But there seems to be many people to have seen Christ today. One confirmed case is the story of Sister Gulshan Esther.
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She wrote a book about that.
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I also saw God many many
years ago..
I asked him how to get rich..
he told me
Just Sow and u will reap
I sow money into Singapore pools
but still not yet reap from toto le
haiz
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
I also saw God many many
years ago..
I asked him how to get rich..
he told me
Just Sow and u will reap
I sow money into Singapore pools
but still not yet reap from toto le
haiz
You sow in the wrong soil and reap nothing.
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Originally posted by despondent:
ok, dun say i didnt share...juz abit...if christianity teaches salvation by grace while most other religions(if not all) teach salvation by works, doesnt it give a hint tat we cun view christianity the same way as the rest of the religions?
How can that be true, especially when churches preach the doing of good deeds