like u said...u find it untrue. but u cun impose ur interpretation on other religions. if u insist on doing tat, then ur mindset abt christianity will always be tat its the same as other religions...i feel tat when it comes to wad a religion teaches, we shld always take wad is tot to its followers...being an outsider to the religion, we cannot expect ourselves to noe the religion betta than its followers...
Originally posted by despondent:but the pt i am trying to raise is christianity doesnt teach salvation like other religions...its not a matter of whether u find ridiculous or not...tats besides the point...plus i dun tink u shld gauge christianity using ur own understanding cos by doing so are u saying tat the fundamental teachings of christianity is wrong and ur interpretation is rite? its no wonder u keep evaluating christianity like other religions cos u juz cannot agree that it has always been diff...i mean i can read up on buddhism and say...no, i dun agree tat buddha was a human being...i insist(by my own interpretation) tat he is God for eg...u see wad i mean? can i as 1 individual alter and correct the fundamental teachings of another religion juz cos i see it tat way? no, i accept tat since buddhism say buddha is not god, then tat is their teaching...i am in no position to alter it...
My disagreement was not with the teachings, but with the assumption that good works was evidence of salvation. For this to be true, no one but christians would be doing good deeds. I don't think that anywhere in my previous post did I make any claim about interpretations.
Originally posted by despondent:like u said...u find it untrue. but u cun impose ur interpretation on other religions. if u insist on doing tat, then ur mindset abt christianity will always be tat its the same as other religions...i feel tat when it comes to wad a religion teaches, we shld always take wad is tot to its followers...being an outsider to the religion, we cannot expect ourselves to noe the religion betta than its followers...
Thats not my interpretation that good works is not evidence for salvation, as whether you are christian or not, you can do good, religion has no monopoly on this. It is not my interpretation of christian doctrine, more of a non-religious assertion.
actually wad i said abt evidence of salvation is valid in the eyes of christians cos tats our teaching...but maybe u are not ready for tat yet since u are still viewing christianity from salvation by good works...maybe i didnt make myself clear...i didnt mean tat onli christians can do gd...all can do gd...but in the perspective of christianity, onli the good works of believers count to God...cos we are living in New Testament times....this may sound ridiculous to u but i noe tat any christian who noes the fundamental teachings and abide by them would agree wif me...at least those christians ard me do...
Originally posted by despondent:actually wad i said abt evidence of salvation is valid in the eyes of christians cos tats our teaching...but maybe u are not ready for tat yet since u are still viewing christianity from salvation by good works...maybe i didnt make myself clear...i didnt mean tat onli christians can do gd...all can do gd...but in the perspective of christianity, onli the good works of believers count to God...cos we are living in New Testament times....this may sound ridiculous to u but i noe tat any christian who noes the fundamental teachings and abide by them would agree wif me...at least those christians ard me do...
Would you care to reply to my post on the previous page about a system simillar to grace in other religions?
tat in my opinion is ur interpretation...u ask the christians who noe abt other religions and they will tell u tat salvation by grace is not taught in other religions...u may tink they do but the scriptures and teachings of those religions dun claim salvation by grace...perhaps u shld read up and ask abt other religions from the respective followers instead of making ur own conclusions...
In essence christianity teaches salvation by grace, but requirements (as in what we are supposed to do) are the same. Its the end of the line for this topic. =D
Religion is enslavery, GET OUT OF IT!
yup, it is...since u are unwilling to try viewing christianity differently from other religions...cos for me, its when i look at christianity diff tat its teachings make sense...well, to each his own then...cheers!!!
Originally posted by despondent:yup, it is...since u are unwilling to try viewing christianity differently from other religions...cos for me, its when i look at christianity diff tat its teachings make sense...well, to each his own then...cheers!!!
Have you learnt/joined any other religion?
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Have you learnt/joined any other religion?
You also better dont say too much about their religion lah. If this was 2-300 years back, they would stone you to death already.
Originally posted by Larryteo:You also better dont say too much about their religion lah. If this was 2-300 years back, they would stone you to death already.
Thank goodness for the rise of secularism. Yet in countries run by religious govts they are still being oppressed. Places like saudi arabia, iran, everything oso interfere
Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Thank goodness for the rise of secularism. Yet in countries run by religious govts they are still being oppressed. Places like saudi arabia, iran, everything oso interfere
Only those Islamic countries. Have you heard the story of a female in KL who converted to christianity from Islam? She got the death sentence for that. Religion is enslavery and a brainwashing machine.
i replied b4 tat i have read up and toked to ppl of other religions...i have a thread in the buddhist forum abt 2 yrs back where i had a friendly discussion abt buddhism wif some of the buddhists there...i will ask qns and they will answer...it was quite meaningful...for islam, i have spoken to muslims who are committed to their religion...i havent gotten alot of info abt taoism and hinduism but i did read up and tok abit wif ppl...
Originally posted by despondent:i replied b4 tat i have read up and toked to ppl of other religions...i have a thread in the buddhist forum abt 2 yrs back where i had a friendly discussion abt buddhism wif some of the buddhists there...i will ask qns and they will answer...it was quite meaningful...for islam, i have spoken to muslims who are committed to their religion...i havent gotten alot of info abt taoism and hinduism but i did read up and tok abit wif ppl...
tok tok tok. Later God complain that you talk so much he can't sleep.
Originally posted by Larryteo:Only those Islamic countries. Have you heard the story of a female in KL who converted to christianity from Islam? She got the death sentence for that. Religion is enslavery and a brainwashing machine.
In malaysia at least they don't force non-muslims to follow their rules
Originally posted by despondent:i replied b4 tat i have read up and toked to ppl of other religions...i have a thread in the buddhist forum abt 2 yrs back where i had a friendly discussion abt buddhism wif some of the buddhists there...i will ask qns and they will answer...it was quite meaningful...for islam, i have spoken to muslims who are committed to their religion...i havent gotten alot of info abt taoism and hinduism but i did read up and tok abit wif ppl...
So why christianity and not another religion like islam?
Religions were invented to enslave mankind, and also to control man's deeds, scaring them with hell.
I think it is very dangerous to call ALL healings as crap.
I agree with you, there're preachers who fake healings...but it doesn't mean ALL healings are crap.
And it is also not true, healing exploits the sick or poor. Because genuine healings by God is a matter of a supernatural act of God to heal and nobody is asking anyone for money or anything.
I can assure you, I know genuine and real people, personal friends, who're undoubtedly healed from cancer and terminal diseases.
Healing is real - if it is from God. It is not the preacher who heals, it is Jesus who heals! Although God does choose to sometimes anoint or give a certain person the faith to pray and move in healing.
Its in the bible...read the OT and NT, you will discover there were specific people who were anointed to carry God's power to heal.
Not all preachers are after your money or faking healings. God does heal !
If you can't believe God can heal, why believe in God at all? If you can't believe God for healing, how are you going to believe there's heaven and you'll go there? If God is real, He is real today, right now !
Charismatic is not a 'bad word' - it simply refers to Christians who believe in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by merkava4:I think it is very dangerous to call ALL healings as crap.
I agree with you, there're preachers who fake healings...but it doesn't mean ALL healings are crap.
And it is also not true, healing exploits the sick or poor. Because genuine healings by God is a matter of a supernatural act of God to heal and nobody is asking anyone for money or anything.
I can assure you, I know genuine and real people, personal friends, who're undoubtedly healed from cancer and terminal diseases.
Healing is real - if it is from God. It is not the preacher who heals, it is Jesus who heals! Although God does choose to sometimes anoint or give a certain person the faith to pray and move in healing.
Its in the bible...read the OT and NT, you will discover there were specific people who were anointed to carry God's power to heal.
Not all preachers are after your money or faking healings. God does heal !
If you can't believe God can heal, why believe in God at all? If you can't believe God for healing, how are you going to believe there's heaven and you'll go there? If God is real, He is real today, right now !
Charismatic is not a 'bad word' - it simply refers to Christians who believe in the power of the Holy Spirit.
It could be the placebo effect at work, it has the same requirements for healing, conplete belief, that religious healing supposedly does. I don't believe in god at all.
Christianity is not just about hell....although I know there're doom and gloom preachers who preach all about the horrifying hell....which I know is real, but its not ALL about that.
Christianity explains who you are, where you come from and the goodness and love of God...that you're not an accident, but there's a purpose and destiny for you.
Originally posted by merkava4:Christianity is not just about hell....although I know there're doom and gloom preachers who preach all about the horrifying hell....which I know is real, but its not ALL about that.
Christianity explains who you are, where you come from and the goodness and love of God...that you're not an accident, but there's a purpose and destiny for you.
Many think it explains something, but it remains simillar to the hundreds of different religious fallacies which preach their version of who you are. One thing religions with deities have in common, is their message of complete and total obedience. It makes one feel self-important, as if everything around was made for you. This might sound like a nice world, drawing many to believe in this idealistic universe, but while it sounds nice, it may not be true. You could very well be an accident, but it would make you feel better to think that you were not, wouldn't it? For an aborted fetus, if one considers it to be human, its conception was very much an accident
why did i choose christianity instead of islam? well, simple cos when i explore the teachings of both religions...christianity made more sense to me...however, if u want me to share wif u why tis is so, u must 1st switch ur mind to creation and tat everything originated from the creator and were meant for gd...a tall order for u??? well, its ur call...
Originally posted by despondent:why did i choose christianity instead of islam? well, simple cos when i explore the teachings of both religions...christianity made more sense to me...however, if u want me to share wif u why tis is so, u must 1st switch ur mind to creation and tat everything originated from the creator and were meant for gd...a tall order for u??? well, its ur call...
anyway, Islam extracted from Bible.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
anyway, Islam extracted from Bible.
More like Islam extracted from everything.