There is something known as the Placebo effect.
Originally posted by despondent:to fantagf:
ah, but my pt is she was healed without needing further medication...i am juz letting TS noe tat such healings have taken place and its too sweeping to assume that all healings are fake and tat true healings ABSOLUTELY dun exist...
How do you actually justify the recovery was due to spiritual healing rather than recuperation due to cells replication?
Originally posted by Nelstar:How do you actually justify the recovery was due to spiritual healing rather than recuperation due to cells replication?
What is recuperation due to cell replication? Does it mean no medication is needed?
if the healing was completed within 24hrs, can tat be due to cell replication? the qn would be y did the cells onli replicate after she was laid hands on and prayed for? why didnt they replicate b4 tat?
recently there is a discovery channel show that exposes these faith healing is all about. its all of a sham really.
Originally posted by despondent:if the healing was completed within 24hrs, can tat be due to cell replication? the qn would be y did the cells onli replicate after she was laid hands on and prayed for? why didnt they replicate b4 tat?
Never heard about placebo effect? The human willpower and hope is a very strong 'medicine' that scientist are still in the process of discovering but its been proven that sheer willpower has created miracles that medicine thought was impossible and that did not require some religious doctor to do anything.
Originally posted by dkcx:Never heard about placebo effect? The human willpower and hope is a very strong 'medicine' that scientist are still in the process of discovering but its been proven that sheer willpower has created miracles that medicine thought was impossible and that did not require some religious doctor to do anything.
This piece of news is not magnified - not many know about it. But then christians can claim thanks to god for god is the one who created human beings. hahaha
Originally posted by Fantagf:
This piece of news is not magnified - not many know about it. But then christians can claim thanks to god for god is the one who created human beings. hahaha
Its already a scientific fact that humans evolved and were not created from nowhere.
Please explain if humans were created, why were we only created a few thousand years ago?
Where did dinosaurs, plants, animals etc all came from when some are even older than humans?
Why are there different races, different cultures etc etc if it was 1 god that created humans?
Explain why humans can be born with birth defects etc if they are creations of god or is god not strong enough to ensure that all his creations turn out properly?
Science has explain all these by genetics and evolution but christians are unable to provide any proof or evidence of this creation.
Originally posted by dkcx:Its already a scientific fact that humans evolved and were not created from nowhere.
Please explain if humans were created, why were we only created a few thousand years ago?
Where did dinosaurs, plants, animals etc all came from when some are even older than humans?
Why are there different races, different cultures etc etc if it was 1 god that created humans?
I also don't know, you go ask god. Too much crap that is why I think is it a waste of time to indulge in christianity.
To let you know, christianity has well prepared the christians for answers they don't provide or know by telling them that they must have childlike faith and do not use intellect in their dealing, relationship with God. They do this to shut the mouths of people from questioning, smart move but not all are stupid
Originally posted by Fantagf:
I also don't know, you go ask god. Too much crap that is why I think is it a waste of time to indulge in christianity.
Why do i ask someone who i believe in as much as i believe in tooth fairies who will come and give me money if i place a fallen tooth under my pillow?
You should tell that to Larry, he belongs to those who are still deeply believing in these fairytales.
Originally posted by dkcx:Why do i ask someone who i believe in as much as i believe in tooth fairies who will come and give me money if i place a fallen tooth under my pillow?
You should tell that to Larry, he belongs to those who are still deeply believing in these fairytales.
To each their own, so I think better to leave it to them. I know I have awaken that is why I walked away from christianity which is so full of craps, contradictions. It is a very demanding religion with a very demanding, unreasonable god.
ok...so conclusion...the ones who nvr experienced the healing is telling the one who exprienced the healing tat the healing was a sham...well done...
I've heard even more such stories of miracles and they have nothing to do with religion or any healer sort of thing.
There is nothing to verify whether it was the healing or the hopes and expections the healing gave that caused it. There are many stories of such doctors but most are just fakes, however, theres more evidence and proof of the latter in many drug tests so which is more reliable and trustworthy should be clear.
like u said...most...most doesnt equal all...so i take it tat my mum has been deceived...she has been living in a dream all these while cos she has nvr been healed...her doctor's diagnosis of sudden recovery was a sham...
Science usually requires substancial evidence to prove anything.
As i've said, the healing powers of the body due to a strong willpower and hope have occurred before in the past where even fully paralysed patients could recover some of their movement which was something unbelievable to doctors but it was an act of sheet willpower which caused the miracle and not some religous healer etc. These people mentioned WERE healed but by themselves.
Such cases have been documented so its more believable since its know that the mind is actually a very powerful force in the human body which could overcome certain seemly impossible tasks when the will etc is strong enough.
The Placebo effect is actually a very powerful phenomenon. It has been scientifically proven by experiments that a percentage of patients who have been "lied" to about surgery/miracle pills/whatever actually do get better. The only downside to this is the compromise of a doctor's integrity to his patient.
Originally posted by despondent:ok...so conclusion...the ones who nvr experienced the healing is telling the one who exprienced the healing tat the healing was a sham...well done...
Can you tell me why the healing session is not performed in the hospital? Instead it is usually performed on stage. Patients who really need healing are all in the hospital.
Originally posted by googoomuck:What is recuperation due to cell replication? Does it mean no medication is needed?
Perhaps bio isn't ur forte.
Originally posted by Nelstar:
Perhaps bio isn't ur forte.
Wrong answer!
Originally posted by dkcx:Its already a scientific fact that humans evolved and were not created from nowhere.
Please explain if humans were created, why were we only created a few thousand years ago?
Where did dinosaurs, plants, animals etc all came from when some are even older than humans?
Why are there different races, different cultures etc etc if it was 1 god that created humans?
Explain why humans can be born with birth defects etc if they are creations of god or is god not strong enough to ensure that all his creations turn out properly?
Science has explain all these by genetics and evolution but christians are unable to provide any proof or evidence of this creation.
Nonsense. Do you know how many times the fossils have decieved the evolutionists?
Originally posted by Fairyfairy86:Can you tell me why the healing session is not performed in the hospital? Instead it is usually performed on stage. Patients who really need healing are all in the hospital.
Can you convince the hospital to seek the help of spiritual counselors when doctors give up hope on the patients?
Originally posted by googoomuck:Can you convince the hospital to seek the help of spiritual counselors when doctors give up hope on the patients?
You need not seek doctor's consent. Just ask the pastor sneak in as visitor and say some prayers or drink some holy water. Unless you tell me that the healing session has to be done elaborately.
Originally posted by googoomuck:Nonsense. Do you know how many times the fossils have decieved the evolutionists?
Do you dare to say they are all wrong? Any evidence to prove? Do you have answers to everything else that i've asked?
to Fairyfairy86:
there have been healings done in hospitals and on stage...my mum's case was she was prayed for in church(not on stage) and she woke up the next morning wif the spur in her foot gone and no more twitching of the eye...tis happened abt a yr ago alredi and no signs of them returning...
Originally posted by despondent:to Fairyfairy86:
there have been healings done in hospitals and on stage...my mum's case was she was prayed for in church(not on stage) and she woke up the next morning wif the spur in her foot gone and no more twitching of the eye...tis happened abt a yr ago alredi and no signs of them returning...
Good, God chose to heal your mum.
Healing will not take place if it is not God's will to heal (top priority)