New Convenant are for Israel & Judah:Beware Not Chiristians!
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This is a good example of the sneakiness of New Testament Altering the Old testament meanings/words blatantly. Beware and forever read your bible differently and with earnest. God test our sincerity in seeking him.
The New Covenant
"He sent redemption to his people; He has commanded his covenant forever. Holy and awesome is His Name."
Psalms 111:19 (NRS)Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD: [33] But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their G-d, and they shall be my people. [34] And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. (KJV)
It is the Christian contention that with the death of Jesus the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah came into effect. But let’s look at the fairly obvious faults to this claim:
1) The first verse of the prophecy: "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" Was the House of Israel present at the time of Jesus’ death? No, they most certainly were not. They’d been exiled hundreds of years previously, and had not returned. The exact location of those tribes is still lost to us. Yet this verse signifies that the two kingdoms will be reunited. Are gentiles even mentioned or hinted at as being involved in this scenario?
2) The keyword involved here is not a new LAW, but a new COVENANT. A covenant is an agreement. The Lord never said that any of the Law would change, or that the requirements that came with that Law would change. G-d was simply stating that there will be a renewal of His covenant with the people Israel, and that when that day comes, the Jewish people will no longer falter while walking in G-d's path.
3) Take note of the last verse, "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Has this come to pass? Does everyone "Know the Lord?" Most certainly not. Those who do not belong to Judaism, Christianity, or Islam comprise one third of this planet. They don’t "Know the Lord!" Clearly, the New Covenant has not yet taken place.
4) This passage is referenced in the Epistle to the Hebrews. The New Covenant is not something that you need to be told about when it's transpired. That's the key element of Messianic prophecy. The events described are so earth-shaking that no one would fail to see them. It becomes obvious to everyone. You shouldn't need to be told that it happened. The event speaks for itself.
5) The New Covenant is also misquoted in the Epistle to the Hebrews. While this is an argument that’s slightly different from that of the above four notes, it most certainly is worth examining.
The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews did some creative quoting. Let’s examine it closely:
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in My covenant,and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a G-d, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that He saith,! A new [covenant], He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away. (KJV)
In Hebrews 8:9, while quoting Jeremiah 31:32, the author changed important words in the verse. The clause of Jeremiah 31:32 (KJV) reads,
"although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:"Hebrews misquoted Jeremiah's words and instead wrote,
"and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."Am I the only one who is taken aback by this? The first thought is that this is a simple case of mistranslation. However, when you look at the changes themselves, that possibility rules itself out. If "although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD" had changed to something completely off the wall like "although I wore brickbat overalls with them" or something equally absurd, I’d be able to buy into the mistranslation theory. This is clearly not the case. The words were changed to alter the meaning of the chapter. This was clearly done with premeditated intent. This is a serious charge, but this is a serious crime! Whenever I find a mistranslation in the King James Bible, or any other Christian Bible for that matter, it is oftentimes a mistranslation that leans toward Christian dogma?
This crime is further advanced by Hebrews 8:13. This verse makes clear what the motivation was behind the mistranslation. "In that He saith, A new [covenant], He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away." After reading the changing of words, what are we to think of this verse? It has already been shown how the Christian interpretation of the New Covenant in Jeremiah is faulty. This verse was meant to further the falsehood.
So, we should say to those who believe that the New Covenant has come to pass: if we're under the New Covenant, you can stop preaching the word, because obviously the task has been completed. You are performing an unneeded task. The entire world knows the Lord, doesn't it?
The Covenant of Sinai is Eternal
Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my G-d, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful G-d, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; (KJV)
Nehemiah 1:5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD G-d of heaven, the great and terrible G-d, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments: (KJV)
1 Chronicles 16:13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. [14] He is the LORD our G-d; his judgments are in all the earth. [15] Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; [16] Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; [17] And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant.(KJV)
Isaiah 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. (KJV) -
The old and new convenants are for mental patients who believe that some kind god is real.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
The old and new convenants are for mental patients who believe that some kind god is real.
plz ignore the copy/paste warriors... -
Originally posted by ^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~:
plz ignore the copy/paste warriors...
I just wanna fark their minds upside down till thy kingdom cometh in hell as on earth. -
the truth riles the wicked. I like that.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
the truth riles the wicked. I like that.
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Originally posted by ^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~:
plz ignore the copy/paste warriors...
cut and paste is quite easy to do..... i think it's easier than counting beyond "1"
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liars are those that avoid the truth, the topic exposed one important lie the christian bible changed. Am i surprised none of you bothered? no.
because thats what you are and thats why you embrace chrisitianity. A religion for liars to abuse good people innocent ppl until like me I wake up. And instead of fleeing, I am the chracter with Hashem blessings fight back in truth. you have nothing but insults.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
liars are those that avoid the truth, the topic exposed one important lie the christian bible changed. Am i surprised none of you bothered? no.
because thats what you are and thats why you embrace chrisitianity. A religion for liars to abuse good people innocent ppl until like me I wake up. And instead of fleeing, I am the chracter with Hashem blessings fight back in truth. you have nothing but insults.
you know.... on a good day, you cut and paste, and then on a really bad day, your cannot type coherently...let's examine your statements here:
"exposed one important lie the christian bible changed". does this mean that the Christian Bible changed one important lie? if so, isn't it good.....?
"A religion for liars to abuse good people innocent ppl", who are these good innocent people that have been abused?
"I am the chracter with Hashem" , whats a ch(a)racter with Hashem....?
... and this is not a one-liner.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
liars are those that avoid the truth, the topic exposed one important lie the christian bible changed. Am i surprised none of you bothered? no.
because thats what you are and thats why you embrace chrisitianity. A religion for liars to abuse good people innocent ppl until like me I wake up. And instead of fleeing, I am the chracter with Hashem blessings fight back in truth. you have nothing but insults.
Liars are those who view that the bible or the torah as the sole truth when the truth is out there for all to see. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
you know.... on a good day, you cut and paste, and then on a really bad day, your cannot type coherently...let's examine your statements here:
"exposed one important lie the christian bible changed". does this mean that the Christian Bible changed one important lie? if so, isn't it good.....?
"A religion for liars to abuse good people innocent ppl", who are these good innocent people that have been abused?
"I am the chracter with Hashem" , whats a ch(a)racter with Hashem....?
... and this is not a one-liner.
Chin eng, show me one sentence you actually countered me using scriptures. If you cant then conceit defeat and move on. Alot of people has seen this thread and knows who are the con artist. Have some respect for those reading, we are not morons.
you are.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Liars are those who view that the bible or the torah as the sole truth when the truth is out there for all to see.precisely. the law says the pig is dirty, the doctors checked and agreed its a dirty by nature not fit for consumption.
And Herzogs continues eating kway chap.
Oh, yes the truth is out here, there and everyway.
Some ppl grow up observe, test and learn. some learn how to talk cock and improve their art of sarcasm.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
Chin eng, show me one sentence you actually countered me using scriptures. If you cant then conceit defeat and move on. Alot of people has seen this thread and knows who are the con artist. Have some respect for those reading, we are not morons.
you are.
those who know me here, is aware that i do not like to use scripture frivolously.... scripture have been misquoted, used out of context merely to boost one's so-call spiritual understanding and ego.
it is never about defeat or victory...
also... those who have been here long enough is aware that calling me a moron or any other name you can think of, has no effect of me....
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
precisely. the law says the pig is dirty, the doctors checked and agreed its a dirty by nature not fit for consumption.
which doctors checked and agreed that it's dirty by nature and not fit for consumption...?
you know, once you move out of your "cut-and-paste" mode, you talk crap!
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
Chin eng, show me one sentence you actually countered me using scriptures. If you cant then conceit defeat and move on. Alot of people has seen this thread and knows who are the con artist. Have some respect for those reading, we are not morons.
you are.
see text in bold.... another baseless proclamation.... who are these "a lot of people"???so far i see that hardly anyone agrees with you....
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
which doctors checked and agreed that it's dirty by nature and not fit for consumption...?
you know, once you move out of your "cut-and-paste" mode, you talk crap!
My goodness, do i even need to google for you about the cleaniness of unclean animals, so you mean you try every fuck thing in life before you accidently die la. Or should you just follow the crowd. Or try delicacies like fried rat in china.
If you bother to take care of yourselk, God also cant take care of you.
btw, its not even which doctor, its the ameican medical association. seriously whats the point of asking me? If god say this animal is unclean, instead of making the effort of finding out yourself, what did you actually do?
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and I am not stopping you to eat anything. you can continue to eat all your "clean" food. I dont care if you choke on your vomit.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
My goodness, do i even need to google for you about the cleaniness of unclean animals, so you mean you try every fuck thing in life before you accidently die la. Or should you just follow the crowd. Or try delicacies like fried rat in china.
If you bother to take care of yourselk, God also cant take care of you.
btw, its not even which doctor, its the ameican medical association. seriously whats the point of asking me? If god say this animal is unclean, instead of making the effort of finding out yourself, what did you actually do?
so then since you claim to follow Judaism, have you brit milah yet?
do you keep Shabbat? and all the feasts of Yahweh? So when is Shabbat?
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:So when is Shabbat?
oh i know i know i know!
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by the way the new covenant is for anyone who wishes to worship the G_d of Avraham, Yitzak and Yakov. Be they goy or jew.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
oh i know i know i know!
Hi B1, how are you? or is it B2...hmmmm. Or neither...
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For those who bother, pork meat is deadly even cooking at 100 degrees (trichinella parasites).
trichinella parasites
http://ask.metafilter.com/47452/Lots-of-undercooked-pork-alert
tapeworms
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5706
basically the meat is not unclean. God is loving. Ppl like chin eng will still eat because he loves kway chap more than god.
I used to love kway chap, but god saved me personally so I owe him my life to live a rightoeus life to the best I can and preach the goodness and practical benefits of the eternal law.
Last I checked, the pig still eats its own shit. The law is eternal. the pig didnt baptise.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
For those who bother, pork meat is deadly even cooking at 100 degrees (trichinella parasites).
trichinella parasites
http://ask.metafilter.com/47452/Lots-of-undercooked-pork-alert
tapeworms
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5706
basically the meat is not unclean. God is loving. Ppl like chin eng will still eat because he loves kway chap more than god.
I used to love kway chap, but god saved me personally so I owe him my life to live a rightoeus life to the best I can and preach the goodness and practical benefits of the eternal law.
Last I checked, the pig still eats its own shit. The law is eternal. the pig didnt baptise.
yet for all you know and for all the talk you have about following Torah and eating biblically kosher, you do no favours for the message you preach because of the language you use. if Yahweh has truly touched you, then the kind of language you use should not even pass your lips much less be written down.
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
so then since you claim to follow Judaism, have you brit milah yet?
do you keep Shabbat? and all the feasts of Yahweh? So when is Shabbat?
the orthodox jews are very strict. For gentiles they need to take a few years to read the torah be be taught carefully, verse for verse before converting to jews. Becaus they are serious about life.
Singapore rabbi abigal mordecai dont do conversions. You can speculate about this ruling but in the US you can look for a rabbi to convert.
after conversion you know and must follow all the mitzvots (laws) pertaining to you. There are a total of 613 laws, not all is pertaining to an individual. some are for women, some for priest, etc
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
yet for all you know and for all the talk you have about following Torah and eating biblically kosher, you do no favours for the message you preach because of the language you use. if Yahweh has truly touched you, then the kind of language you use should not even pass your lips much less be written down.
you are the mindless one because of your agression and yet lack of spiritual knowledge. you anger me, someone who is here to spread the word of god.
If you are righteous, you dont provoke a rigtheous. I am fully aware of hat language is appropriate to use because I am not praying to god. I am defending His word against the wicked and mindless.
Clearly you have not read King David cursing Goliath. Becare of what you say, when preaching the word of god. you seriously need to pause and think as you are spiritually not there yet.