Is jesus really god: The bible says NO
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nothing is true everything is permitted
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you are born to read and undrstand plain english and hebrew explanation if necessary, so G-d is knd and explained His test to you, YES HE IS TESTING US, HE HAS ALREADY DECLARED. Just because someone pass you the "ROMANtic someone die for you sweet story doesnt even come near to the seriousness of G-d's words.
Deuteronomy 18:15 A prophet from your midst, from your brethren, like me, shall HASHEM, your G-d, establish for you to him shall you hearken. [16] According to all that you asked of HASHEM, your G-d, in Horeb on the day of the congregation, saying, "I can no longer hear the voice of HASHEM, my G-d, and this great fire I can no longer see, so that I shall not die." [17] Then HASHEM said to me: They have done well in what they have said. [18] I will establish a prophet for them from among their brethren, like you, and I will place My words in his mouth; He shall speak to them everything that I will command him. [19] And it shall be that the man who will not hearken to My words that he shall speak in My name, I will exact from him, [20] But the prophet who willfully shall speak a word in My name, that which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of the gods of others that prophet shall die. [21] When you say in your heart,":How can we know the word that HASHEM has not spoken?" [22] If the prophet will speak in the Name of HASHEM and that thing will not occur and not come about that is the word that HASHEM has not spoken; with willfulness has the prophet spoken it, you should not fear him. (Artscroll)
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED CLEARLY, MAKE YOUR CHOICE. G-D DONT CONTRADICT IN SUCH SERIOUS MATTERS LIKE PROPHECY EVER. WHO ARE YOU TO DARE SAY HE IS NOT? Think about this verse carefully before jumping to sunday church mode. I was ex christian, I know the leaders always never bring this up. Now I fully know why.
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Most of the churches only interested in
sucking members money
so better think twice before becoming
a christian
ya...
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Originally posted by intelligenceman:
To the threadstarter....the fact and truth is that the bible confirms Jesus' identity as the Son of God. All the scriptures you quoted are either irrelevant or out of context from your topic...and you merely added your own meaning when its talking about other things.
For example, you said: Jesus wasn’t G-d. The worship of Jesus is precisely what G-d warned us against.Tell me from where you gather that from? From where did God warn against worshipping Jesus?
Contrary to that...God approved of Him at his baptism and said He is His beloved Son, in whom He is well pleased...In the book of Revelations, all nations will be made to bow before Him in worship....so how did you gather that?
Just about everything you have said are nonsensical and illogical...in fact, I think most likely you're from a certain anti-christian religion....your arguments seem lifted from a certain website I found....which is from a certain extremist religion...
How condescending, so like the olden cruscade you gonna slaughter us all again who clearly see what the scripture speaks in simple language. Christianity is the religion using old testament as text proof, meaning "hijacking" the jews belief as their own and also robbing the word of g-d. All the text is there for you to see. If you have proof, then prove it. Why the need to slander me. Have I not used the scripture and not my own theology. At least judaism dont catch youngesters unaware and try to make them speak in tongues? Evilness!!!!!!!!!!
you call dat religion??!!!!! you try to lure youngsters who cant think for themselves and force them to speak in spiritual unknowns. the govt give the attority and then u can shit on those who bring up the scripture and plainly show the error. AND YOU CALL ME EXTREMISTS....?????!!! WHO IS THE CULT TANG KI HERE.
CAN YOU GUARANTEE SPEAKING IN TONGUES WONT INVOKE OTHER DIRTY SPIRIT?! WHO CAN JUSTIFY? SO IF YOU CANT WHY MUST YOU ASK PPL TO JUSTIFY. AT TLEAST THE LAW OF GOD IS OF THE NATURAL WORLD AND DOING GOOD THINGS.
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
Most of the churches only interested in
sucking members money
so better think twice before becoming
a christian
ya...
hi noahnoah,
you are right, and with the internet and reference to the original scriptures I found the concrete proof as to why christianity is what i feared it is. The actual pagan other g-ds that g-d of israel warned us about. They literally changed almost everthing the law and prophets tried to warn us about.
thats why the mega-rich church can only convert the young as they are innocent. These wicked people will have their day of reckoning.
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If God is Nikar, then how can Jesus be God?! don't I know Myself better than any of you fools?! come on now.
Best Regards,
God
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Although I do not believe in any religion (a.k.a Free-Thinker), but I do notice something interesting (or amusing).
TS mentioned "Make up your mind on whether jesus is a god or son of god" but isn't a son of god a god? For example, a dog gave birth, it's child is still a dog, there's no way its gonna be a cat, isn't it? You mother gave birth to you, there's no way you will be something else other than what your mother are, which is a human.
Don't say god is omnipotent or something that god have the power to make jesus human, therefore jesus is not a god. I'm not buying that crap.
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You assume too much because you want to judge. why do you bother if god takes away a life. He is so powerful he can take it back again.
Is it not possible that a young one borne of pagan family is evil? how do you fathom between bloodline and destiny. If you seek the creator and questions him in humility, that question would lead you to understand His position of judgement and responsibility.
Who are we to fathom other lives unless you are a god?
whos the one judging on Jesus eh?
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
Most of the churches only interested in
sucking members money
so better think twice before becoming
a christian
ya...
hahahahah!
Yeah especially those mega churches like CHC and so on. hahahaha! Many mega churches preach the prosperity theory.
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We will see what will happen in the end, even though everyone of us anticipate different types of theories.
Peace be with everyone -
hey TS are you a JW
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It s clear from the responses that most people here dont even know the bible well yet want to win the argument. I know the bible and I know what to answer.
But if laced your questions to me with sarcasm you get nothing because humility is important.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
It s clear from the responses that most people here dont even know the bible well yet want to win the argument. I know the bible and I know what to answer.
But if laced your questions to me with sarcasm you get nothing because humility is important.
and you really think you are showing humility?
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Originally posted by furb:
Although I do not believe in any religion (a.k.a Free-Thinker), but I do notice something interesting (or amusing).
TS mentioned "Make up your mind on whether jesus is a god or son of god" but isn't a son of god a god? For example, a dog gave birth, it's child is still a dog, there's no way its gonna be a cat, isn't it? You mother gave birth to you, there's no way you will be something else other than what your mother are, which is a human.
Don't say god is omnipotent or something that god have the power to make jesus human, therefore jesus is not a god. I'm not buying that crap.
furb - if you are not interested why are you here in the first place? are you a walking contradiction. Normally, if you dont know you ask, if you want to assume dont be sarcastic. Who respects people with such a behaviour. perhaps only your mother. Hence you never understood your father let alone god your father in heaven.
if you are interested in finding the truth, read the bible as its the most accurate amongst other religions as most religion are mystical by nature (meaning bullshit).
The bible mentions that we are all sons of god (children) many instances as He created us in the first human kind (first born Adam was earth created). God is unique and not like men is mentioned by Him various times in the scripture too. Jesus claims to be a son in terms of god-like power meaning, transcending time and space. And that Mary had sex with god. (sinisterly implied by the new testament but without saying it directly, again mystery is bullshit)
However, this claim of son-god wasn't even prophecised in the old testament which is the final stance guarded by prophets of the chosen race and ppl. Only the pagans have son-god theories. Egyptians and Greek gods mythos to name a few
New testament wants to claim that god is 3 in one like some dandruff shampoo solution and that jesus is god in equality. Given this stance, you either choose to believe god's word or Jesus.
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Originally posted by youyayu:
and you really think you are showing humility?
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Originally posted by youyayu:
and you really think you are showing humility?
you being here in the very first thread and started being sarcastic? oh, that humility
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Originally posted by ^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~:
ignore the copy/paste user...sounds like an attention whore. at least I bothered to gather info, you fart from your mouth with fancy icons. kids these days
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Originally posted by Asdatale:
It’s obvious that these verses contradict Jesus being equal and of the same substance as G-d Almighty. Christians say he’s G-d, and then they say he’s the Son of G-d. Make up your mind. Which one is he? Is he G-d or is he the Messiah? He can’t be both, and closer examination will show he is neither.
"Nowhere even in the New Testament is it taught that Jesus is part of a triune godhead"
"He can’t be both," Why not? Whereever from the Bible did you get this notion? He is GOD, because He created this world and us, and He is the Messiah, as He died on the cross for our sins. And what is this "Closer examination" you talk about? Please tell me what you are examining, thank you! ^^
And another version of Mark 13:32 can be found in Matthew 24:36,- "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." If you look at the context in which Jesus said this, it was because he was explaining to his disciples about the Day of the Lord's coming. Later after verse 36, we see that Jesus tells them that, in verse 37, -"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." And reading the whole of chapter 24 tells us that Jesus not only knew when the Lord's coming would be, but he also knew what was going to happen in those days, and for that read the prohecies in Revelations and the Major and Minor prophets in the Bible. Realise this: God is a triune God, and that He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit ALTOGETHER!!! We know this for in Luke 12:29b, Jesus says that :"The Lord our God is one Lord:" We know that Jesus is the Son as he called God the father as "my Father", as noted in Matthew 24:36 earlier. Luke 6:5 states that "the Son of Man (or Jesus) is Lord also of the sabbath". In John 8: 19, we see that Jesus states that :" if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also." Giving us more proof that God the Father and God the Son (Jesus) are one.
I dod not really have time to cover the rest of your argument, but do realise this: GOD is GOD. DO NOT TRY TO USE A HUMAN BRIAN TO TRY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CREATOR. THE CREATOR IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE CREATION, AND IT TAKES MORE THAN OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING TO KNOW GOD, WHO IS FAR MMORE SUPREME THAN US HUMANS. HE IS GOD AFTER ALL.
Its clear you do not know gods character and hence choose to take jesus words then from gods words as both contradict each other.
WHO DO YOU TRUST. OR BETTER STILL WHAT IS GOD CHARACTER IN THIS.
such seriousness of godhood and you take it from a small group of unknown jews from a mysterious man called jesus?
OR
God spoke to you from the midst of the fire, you were hearing the sound of words, but you were not seeing a form, only a sound. He told you of His covenant, instructing you to keep the Ten Commandments, and He inscribed them on two stone tablets.' (Deut.4:9-13)
'You have been shown in order to know that God, He is the Supreme Being. There is none besides Him. From heaven he let you hear His voice in order to teach you, and on earth He showed you His great fire, and you heard His words amid the fire.' (Deut. 4:32-36)
Asdatale - time to repent and go back to god of Israel. you are not a young and foolish man.
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Originally posted by KnowMyPower:
you being here in the very first thread and started being sarcastic? oh, that humility
well im not the one preaching about humility.
don't preach what you can't do.
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Originally posted by youyayu:
well im not the one preaching about humility.
don't preach what you can't do.
pseudo-jew likes to lace his post with vulgarity as well. -
So how does one interpret
John 10:30 (King James Version)
30I and my Father are one.
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To TS: How do you counter this
The holy trinity is the father, the son and the holy ghost
Father: God
Son: Jesus
the holy trinity is omnipresence and is in Pentecost.
No body say jesus is god but jesus and god is in one body
What you quoted is all fallacies and omission of your understanding of bible, this show that you are a superficial christian or just a bloody atheist
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I think that the website this TS visited is just another trap to turn commited christians into atheists.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
pseudo-jew likes to lace his post with vulgarity as well.Oh, vulgarites like a group of people mindlessly shouting, "lumpa lumpa lumpa lalalala cheebye. Kannninin lumpa lumpa lumpa kuri shantay knn!!!!!"
Oh sori, thats Christian, speaking in tongues. a place where young converts are encouraged to "just let it all out!!!! say it!!! say it!! just let go!!!" after an innocent calm sermon earlier.
Ya, I am very vulgar compared to chrisitans.
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Originally posted by youyayu:
well im not the one preaching about humility.
don't preach what you can't do.
You dont think God has not taught the righeous ppl how to deal with people like you? humility my arse, you uncircumcised bastard.