What Larryteo posted has many core misunderstandings. First, the karma and reincarnation taught in Hinduism is very different from Buddhism. Buddhism teaches dependent origination, and is the only religion in the world to teach dependent origination, and without recoursing to a permanent self entity or a soul. There is only Consciousness as a stream of dependently originated phenomena, a process, and not a self entity, not an Atman. Karma in Buddhism is also not deterministic or fatalistic like other systems.
Next, the argument that spirit possession disproves Rebirth is very false. In fact Rebirth is probably the only plausible way to explain how the Dead can communicate with human, how the dead relatives can appear to people's minds in visions and dreams, how dead can possess a person in a medium and so on. Of course the Christians explain this as 'just minions of the devil' or whatever their reason may be.
In Buddhism, we teach that a person is reborn according to karma not only as a human but can reborn in any of the following realms:
3 lower realms: Hell, ghost, animal
3 higher realms: Human, asura, heaven/devas
It should be noted that the ultimate goal of Buddhism is not rebirth in heaven as such a rebirth though extremely long lived, in Buddhism's understanding is still impermanent for this is the nature of all phenomena. One is still within the cycle of rebirth. In Buddhism we teaches that it is possible to transcend all sufferings and the uncontrolled cycle of rebirth in samsara, through practicing Buddhism and attaining enlightenment and liberation from all sufferings. And the means of this is not just 'do good, avoid evil' as what the TS have thought. In Buddhism we also emphasize 'attaining wisdom, enlightenment, liberation from sufferings, purification of mind [through wisdom]'. This is what sets Buddhism apart from other religions.
So anyway regarding the 6 realms, what do those spirit possession cases belong? Not because they are devils pretending as dead people, rather, those beings of course belong to the ghost realm who were reborn in that realm by karma, and could have been a human in their immediate past life. Buddhists unlike other religions like folk Taoism, however, do not encourage mediumship, because we do not want to create unnecessary karmic affinities with a lower realm.
"Although claiming to be non theistic, yet the practice of Buddhism involves worship of the statue or image of Siddartha Gautama. Buddhists claim is that these images are not idols but are symbolic representations of his great qualities"
Not worship, more like respect and reverence, in much the same way it is custom in many cultures to bow to one's parents, or today we continue to bow to the speaker in court, and so on. Buddha is our Original Teacher, the greatest teacher to us, so how can we not show our respects.
"4. Theory explains
phenomena.
A phenomenon is
a fact that is
observed to exist or happen.
A
theory is a system of
ideas intended to explain
phenomena.
Consistency is a harmonious agreement
amongst things or parts without contradictions.
If a phenomenon
contradicts a theory, then the theory is
inconsistent and is
probably false.
If this phenomenon is
consistent with another theory, then the second
theory should
replace the first theory."
Buddhism is not based on theories. Buddhism is based on experiential realisation, everything the Buddha taught is by his own realisation, enlightenment, not told by someone else. Everything from the ultimate nature of reality to things like karma, rebirth, he realised it himself. He remembered 91 aeons of his past lives. My Buddhist forum also have many forummers and moderators who remembered not just one but numerous past lives one after another. It is not very rare for trained meditators. People until today also have attained insight into the nature of reality and attained liberation. I have seen people today, both on the internet and off the internet who are enlightened. It is possible.
The point is, anyone too, can become as enlightened as the Buddha (meaning 'The Awakened One') himself, he can realise the nature of reality, realise every other truth to be realised, be liberated from all sufferings, and save other sentient beings from suffering, through the practices the Buddha taught.. Something like a scientific method, that performed accordingly will lead to specific reproducible and predictable results. You can do the 'experiment' and 'see for yourself' and the Buddha teaches that one should.
The Buddha said thus:
The Perfect One is free from any theory, for the Perfect One has
understood what the body is, and how it arises,
and passes away. He
has understood what feeling is, and how it
arises, and passes away.
He has understood what perception is, and how it
arises, and passes
away. He has understood what the mental
formations are, and how
they arise, and pass away. He has understood
what consciousness is,
and how it arises, and passes away.
Therefore, I say, the Perfect One has won
complete deliverance
through the extinction, fading away,
disappearance, rejection, and
getting rid of all opinions and conjectures, of
all inclination to
the vainglory of I and mine.
- Majjhima Nikaya, 72
The original link which An Eternal Now has actually given is actually more unreliable. First of all, it sticks to the theories of the Roman Catholic Church's teachings instead of the Bible itself.
In the teachings of the Church in Europe a few centuries ago, it was influenced by the pagan gods which has once dominated the region. Thus, much of the teachings from the pagan gods religon actually went into the teachings of the church.
Here are a few examples of the teachings from the Catholic Church(which was under influence from the Pagans) :
-The Earth was in the cetre of the universe
-The moon and Sun revolved around the Earth
-Someone was holding up the Earth
But in the original Bible scripture, here are the teachings of science :
See the difference? The teachings of the Roman Catholic church actually differ alot from the original bible scripture due to the influence from another religion which was once backed up by the powerful nation of Rome and Greece.
Another thing about the bible is it's prophecy. Many of the prophesized events have actually come true. I do not wish to type them out one by one here, because there are thousands of them ad my hands will be sore. If you are interested about the prophecies, go and google them to see what's inside. You will amazed. Another thing on common sense is that the number of archeologists who choose to believe in the Bible rather than the claims made by atheists. Why? Because archeology does verify the word of the bible, and does not contradict it. Go google it yourself.
Regarding Noah's Ark, here is a source :
http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/currentarticlep39.htm
About buddhism, I have nothing to say but this :
http://www.breadonthewaters.com/0237_False_Religion_of_Buddhism.html
Buddhism is actually, just nothing more than an off-shoot of hinduism whom people actually mistake that Buddha is a god.
No offence to those from the other religions, just backing up my claims and giving an answer to those people who misintepret the bible and claim what they GUESS is true.
About atheism, it came about from the teachings of the old churches too. As science started to emerge and people started to want to seek the truth, many actually left christianity because of the teachings of the old churches. In the U.S.A, they once had a rule that no one can become a governer unless he was a christian/believer. This, of course, led to a grudge between the atheists and religion. The grudge still exists today.
About the existence of a creator :
http://www.confidentchristians.org/resources_jesus/30%20Second%20Proof%20for%20God%20article.pdf
This logic applies to many things. However, the source which An Eternal Now has read from actually denies this logic and in a sense, contradicts itself. You have a box of lego, you pour them out. they are unassembled. They don't move by itself. You don't see that they will build themselves up into a castle or a model of a building. The claim that living things originated from non-living matter is FALSE.
Originally posted by Larryteo:About the existence of a creator :
http://www.confidentchristians.org/resources_jesus/30%20Second%20Proof%20for%20God%20article.pdf
This logic applies to many things. However, the source which An Eternal Now has read from actually denies this logic and in a sense, contradicts itself. You have a box of lego, you pour them out. they are unassembled. They don't move by itself. You don't see that they will build themselves up into a castle or a model of a building. The claim that living things originated from non-living matter is FALSE.
Since you cannot accept evolution as part and parcel of science and life, then you can jolly well go live apart from humanity.
Herzog_Zwei, I view as that as a total insult.
For your information, the theory of evolution is NOT A PROVEN THEORY.
The reason as to why evolution is passed off as a scientific fact in textbooks everywhere is because it was the only way to fairly show the origins of life in a society where not everyone believes that humans came in one piece.
Actually, evolution does not really deny the existence of God. I am just stressing that evolution did not happen because of it's weird claims. Do you even know how the theory of evolution works? If so, why do you still believe in it when you don't have a full understanding? Do you know that evolution believes that life came from a single, non-living cell, gradually over millions of years, becoming a full organism? First of all, evolution has never been observed. But wait - It is. But it only gave scientists and atheists false hope. Take a smallfly for example, it can produce multiple generations in just a week, and scientists have observed this small flies for hundreds of years. And for hundreds of years, the flies should have produced MILLIONS of generations, more than enough to match the generations of the so called cell-created man. Yet, there were no changes made in these flies. They did not crossbreed and emerge from a fly to a bird. Neither has a dog gave birth to a partial cat.
You say since I cannot accept evolution as part of life, I might as well live apart from humanity. That is very ironic. Don't you know evolutionists claim that humans came from stupid monkeys? Why not you go live in the zoo or in the woods? You should be the one living apart from humanity because you view humans as no different from animals.
As I said before, stop harassing the religious people in these forums made for the religious to discuss. I have no right to chase you away but what you have posted is generally offensive to the religious. If you are looking for answers, I am sure many christians will welcome you and help you in your search for truth, but with what you are doing, you keep blindly claiming that God does not exist, God does not exist, God does not exist. You keep repeating your words around this forum as though no one has heard before. What are you trying to do? Prove your existence? If you have proof that God does not exist, just show it here and keep your mouth shut after that. Not to mention that the so-called ''PROOF'' that God does not exist has many more contradictions in its own sense rather than in the bible.
You claim that if I cannot accept evolution, then I might as well live apart from humanity. So billions of others also need to live apart from humanity? What kind of stupid claim is that? You claim that by common sense there is no God. I think that is more of your own ''common sense''. So were you given birth to or were you popped onto the surface of the Earth like that? Did the bricks you were playing with when young suddenly build itself into a monument? In your own small world of imaginations, I guess.
You blindly claim that the bible is false, without regard to what is written inside. You give no second thoughts. You are just stubborn, and not only that, but ANNOYING. You do not think or read what i have posted about the bible but you just shoot the same phrases here and there as though it will help. I other words, you are doing nothing but spamming this forum. Just to prove your own existence. So I assume that all 7135 posts you made here are actually the same phrases. I will ASSUME. Since that is what you like to do anyway.
Originally posted by Larryteo:
Buddhism is actually, just nothing more than an off-shoot of hinduism whom people actually mistake that Buddha is a god.
This cannot be further than the truth. Buddha was someone who rejected all the Hindus scriptures as authority, such as the Vedas, Upanishads and so on. The very core essence and doctrine of such teachings, that of the Atman Brahman, is replaced in Buddhism by the teaching of Emptiness and No-Self.
Buddhism is one of the few traditions in India that are considered 'Unorthodox' by Hindu standards, because it does not suscribe to traditional Hindu beliefs.
As such since the very core essence of the religion is different, it cannot be considered an offshoot.
Also as I explained, nobody treats Buddha as a god. Buddha is beyond samsara, and gods are in Buddhism still part of Samsara. Buddha is known as the "teacher of gods and men", see http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/jootla/wheel414.html
Contents
- I. Introduction
- II. The Buddha Teaches Deities
- III. Devas and Brahmas Honor the Buddha
- IV. The Role of Devas in the Buddha's Career
- V. Liberation for Humans, Devas, and Brahmas
- Notes
- Abbreviations
- Bibliography
Originally posted by Larryteo:About the existence of a creator :
http://www.confidentchristians.org/resources_jesus/30%20Second%20Proof%20for%20God%20article.pdf
This logic applies to many things. However, the source which An Eternal Now has read from actually denies this logic and in a sense, contradicts itself. You have a box of lego, you pour them out. they are unassembled. They don't move by itself. You don't see that they will build themselves up into a castle or a model of a building. The claim that living things originated from non-living matter is FALSE.
In Buddhism, unlike materialists, do not claim that life and consciousness derives from matter.
As my wise forum moderator Thusness said in the past to someone else who said "
Consciousness exists with the human brain, that
is clear...",
Perhaps if we were to live in the 17th centuries applying the Newtonian viewpoint, what you said might still be acceptable in the scientific community. Unfortunately, we donÂ’t. In light of quantum mechanics and neuroscience, I think that is a bold statement and you may want to substantiate it with some valid scientific findings.
Loppon Namdrol states:
There are no merely five principles that govern empirical reality in Buddhist theory, but rather six: solids, liquids, gases, heat, dimensionality, and consciousness.
Hence, Consciousness too play an important role in shaping our experiential universe. Karma, etc, in Buddhism are important also. They are not mere byproducts of things. But there is no 'creation' or 'creator' in Buddhism which are involved, only a seamless interdependence and relativity.
• I exist.
• If I exist, then something must have always existed because something doesn’t
come from nothing.
In Buddhism we do not hold on to the view 'I exist'. Because a fixed entity called 'I' cannot be found. What we call "I" is simply a convention, just like the word "weather" is just a convention, but does not refer to a truly existing eternal identity. What we find instead is a flux of sensations, feelings, thoughts, nothing graspable, nothing that is truly 'I' or 'mine'. This does not deny that we are conscious beings, but it denies that consciousness is identical with something unchanging, static, etc -- it is something totally dynamic, unfixed, empty of any independent or inherent existence (consciousness dependently originates) yet vivid and alive. This is something we can realise for ourselves when we practice meditation, mindfulness, by clear light of awareness of our moment to moment experience. The realising of the true nature of reality called enlightenment.
Toni Packer explains well:
http://www.springwatercenter.org/teachers/packer/articles/whatisme/
Excerpts:
A somber day, isn't it? Dark, cloudy, cool, moist and windy. Amazing, this whole affair of "the weather!" We call it "weather," but what is it really? Wind. Rain. Clouds slowly parting. Not the words spoken about it, but just this darkening, blowing, pounding, wetting, and then lightening up, blue sky appearing amidst darkness, and sunshine sparkling on wet grasses and leaves. In a little while there'll be frost, snow and ice-covers. And then warming again, melting, oozing water everywhere. On an early spring day the dirt road sparkles with streams of wet silver. So — what is "weather" other than this incessant change of earthly conditions and all the human thoughts, feelings, and undertakings influenced by it? Like and dislike. Depression and elation. Creation and destruction. An ongoing, ever changing stream of happenings abiding nowhere. No entity "weather" to be found except in thinking and talking about it.
Now — is there such an entity as "me," "I," "myself?" Or is it just like the "weather" — an ongoing, ever changing stream of ideas, images, memories, projections, likes and dislikes, creations and destructions, which thought keeps calling "I," "me," "Toni," and thereby solidifying what is evanescent? What am I really, truly, and what do I think and believe I am? Are we interested in exploring this amazing affair of "myself" from moment to moment? Is this, maybe, the essence of retreat work? Exploring ourselves minutely beyond the peace and quiet that we are seeking and maybe finding. Coming upon clarity about this deep sense of separation which we call "me," and "other people," without any need to condemn or overcome.
Most human beings take it totally for granted that I am "me," and that "me" is this body, this mind, this knowledge and sense about myself which so obviously feels separate from other people. The language in which we talk to ourselves and to each other inevitably implies separate "me's," and "you's" all the time. All of us talk "I" and "you" talk, we think it, write it, read it, and dream it with rarely any pause. There is incessant reinforcement of the sense of "I," "me," separate from others. Isolated. Insulated. Not understood. How is one to come upon the truth if separation is taken so much for granted, feels so common sense?
• Modern science has ruled out the possibility of an eternal universe.
• Since an eternal universe is not possible, God exists.
In Buddhism, universes have beginning and end, but at the end begins another new universe. It goes in cycle ad infinitum without recoursing to a first cause.
http://www.mahindarama.com/e-library/whybuddhism2.html
"To those who
talked about the
first cause of this world, the Buddha responded
by saying that it
is impossible to find a first cause since
everything is changing,
interdependent and conditioned by other things.
Something that acts
as the cause in the present may become the
effect in the future.
Later that same effect may again become the
cause. Such phenomenon
continues ad infinitum. It is called the
universal law of Anicca or
impermanency.”"
AEN, I think your postings here to explain will only confuse them. Just let them be in their own paradigmn, enough said. they are quite narrow minded in regards to others.
He is known as the teachers of gods and men. But he he is not a teacher of gods and only men. From what I know(correct me if I'm wrong), Toaism and Buddhism teaches that humans can also become immortals. Thus, from what i assume, is the reason why many want to receive enlightment/ whatever. But there are so many people who actually read so many texts and try to understand so much on what Buddha taught and also do so much, but none has become immortal.(This refers to toaism).
Buddha did receive enlightment, but did he posess powers to control demons? Many people actually used his name to drive away demons or evil spirits. Photos always portray buddha in the clouds. But was Buddha immortal? NO. He was actually just a normal human being who received enlightment, unlike the proclaimed Jesus Christ who actually performed miracles and helped the disabled. Buddhism also does not claim that the world had a creator. Thus, that religion is none other than the works of men who had very ambitious plans on being immortal. The reason why I am saying this is to justify Christianity, since it is sincerely the true religion. Yes, I am saying this. But I am not going to assault other religions if not it will only stir a fight. A true bible study takes around a few years, and to get full understanding of the bible on your own takes longer. Which is why many atheists who claim that God does not exist and also claims that the bible has many contradictions are actually none other than a lack of understanding. And because they are atheists, thus, their claims of the bible are actually more unreliable than those made by believers because they have no interest in the bible. Thus, few have even read or tried to understand the bible at all.
http://www.exposingsatanism.org/buddhism.htm
Sorry but I am not a narrow minded person. i am just merely justifying my point of view and my religion, like what AEN is doing now. So you are also saying AEN is narrow minded too? I believe that everyone should respect each other's religion, and not throw a missile here or there on this forum meant for christianity. First of all, though I was at first not with Martial's words, but after giving some thought I have actually sided with him. He actually has the right to say Christianity is a true religion in this '' Eternal Hope'' forum because this forum was at first place, made for christians and believers to discuss. The basis of this forum is God's existence. Though the rule does not apply that it is forbidden for non-christians to come here and discuss, I see it as more of an etiquette and manners which everyone should have. In my opinion, no one should come barging in on a christian topic with the so-called ''proof'' that the bible is highly unreliable and then the flaming and the scolding.
After all, this is made for christians and I guess it will be alright if anyone says that other religions are false, since that is what the bible says so. But to be rude would mean ME or another fellow christian posting his messages on another forum made for another religion that this or that is false and blah blah blah. Thus, the one who started the war here are those from other religions/ non-believers posting their messages here that our God does not exist, blah blah blah. Those should be posted into their own forum made for their own religion rather than here. Sorry for changing this topic to etiquettes.
After all, how can I believe in a religion that claims life is an illusion?
No offence.
I refuse to believe in buddhism in my own sense because it is a religion from man, and not from a God or son of God. If buddhism actually upholds scientific principles like the bible does, and also claims to be from a God, i may give it a second thought.
since when bible hold scientific principles?
and bible is known to be written by men
are you really ignorant or are you trying to troll?
Did you read what the bible has to say? If so how do you know it does not uphold scientific principles? Are you blind? Didn't you read what I wrote about the bible in previous paragraphs? If you did not why are judging a book by its cover?
This just proves that you did not read what I said earlier and just making assunptions.
I would also like to further emphasize:
Buddha claims that he knows there are devas in heaven, or deities. But there is absolutely no proof that Buddha was a prophet or medium in any sense. How did he know there were devas? The answer is simple. He mixed them up together with teachings from Hinduism.
Buddha also seems to know how the universe had existed. But he was merely an indian prince who did not receive much education on how the universe came to be. He had no connections with the supernatural, and neither has he any relations with any spirits of a divine origin. Thus, I can already proclaim that Buddha was just making weird assumptions towards how the universe was created.
To those unbelievers of Christ :
Yes, the bible is written by man. But it was written as an instruction from God. There are 66 books in the bible, 40 people wrote them, and the people were from 3 different continents who did not know each other. Yet, when King Constantine of Rome put the bible together into one book, it was quite disturbing to realise the books actually made a full , matching story. And I would also like to stress again that there are no contradictions in the bible. The so called ''contradictions'' are actually misunderstandings by the readers. And to study the bible actually takes years, not days or months. To study the bible, you also need lots of sources, given the way as to how much of the the bible was written in a special code to protect it's message from the enemies of Israel. Go search for some of the solved ''bible contradictions'' and you will know what I meant. Regarding bible prophecy, it has been predicted hundreds of years in advance that Jesus will come to Earth to die for the sin of man. And there is enough proof to backup that the prophecy was not added in after Jesus came. Neither is there any proof that Jesus' stories were edited, given the description of the many witnesses of what actually happened. The bible also predicted the fall of ancient Babylon, Greece, and Rome. That alone gives the bible its very own reputation of authenticity and divine inspiration.
Slammed dunked .
Originally posted by Larryteo:Did you read what the bible has to say? If so how do you know it does not uphold scientific principles? Are you blind? Didn't you read what I wrote about the bible in previous paragraphs? If you did not why are judging a book by its cover?
Then do you read the sutras? So how you know whatever you said is not true?
Besides, i dont read the bible, so you can utter all the rubbish and claim its scientific principles, haha
Originally posted by Larryteo:I would also like to further emphasize:
Buddha claims that he knows there are devas in heaven, or deities. But there is absolutely no proof that Buddha was a prophet or medium in any sense. How did he know there were devas? The answer is simple. He mixed them up together with teachings from Hinduism.
Buddha also seems to know how the universe had existed. But he was merely an indian prince who did not receive much education on how the universe came to be. He had no connections with the supernatural, and neither has he any relations with any spirits of a divine origin. Thus, I can already proclaim that Buddha was just making weird assumptions towards how the universe was created.
To those unbelievers of Christ :
Yes, the bible is written by man. But it was written as an instruction from God. There are 66 books in the bible, 40 people wrote them, and the people were from 3 different continents who did not know each other. Yet, when King Constantine of Rome put the bible together into one book, it was quite disturbing to realise the books actually made a full , matching story. And I would also like to stress again that there are no contradictions in the bible. The so called ''contradictions'' are actually misunderstandings by the readers. And to study the bible actually takes years, not days or months. To study the bible, you also need lots of sources, given the way as to how much of the the bible was written in a special code to protect it's message from the enemies of Israel. Go search for some of the solved ''bible contradictions'' and you will know what I meant. Regarding bible prophecy, it has been predicted hundreds of years in advance that Jesus will come to Earth to die for the sin of man. And there is enough proof to backup that the prophecy was not added in after Jesus came. Neither is there any proof that Jesus' stories were edited, given the description of the many witnesses of what actually happened. The bible also predicted the fall of ancient Babylon, Greece, and Rome. That alone gives the bible its very own reputation of authenticity and divine inspiration.
1st two paragraphs can be said of jesus and his assumptions of the universe
last paragraphs are just statements
so what gives?
Haha, of course christianity is a real "religion". It has its own sets of beliefs, traditions and core followers. Even recognised on the SG birth certs!
The real debate starts with "is christianity the truth?". I uhhhh, as an agnostic, will then have to absent myself from subsequent discussion.
Originally posted by Rooney9:AEN, I think your postings here to explain will only confuse them. Just let them be in their own paradigmn, enough said. they are quite narrow minded in regards to others.
I dun think so.....at least there are basis to what one believed in. Not all may agree (and that's ok) but at least there are basis and reasons.
This is unlike some who make baseless claims and lies and then cannot back up when challanged.
Narrow minded people are those who make baseless claims and lies and yet will not accept the truth when face with their inability to back up their claims.....
Agree with HappyInfo2. Laurence82 is just an idiot who utters nonsense, and then says it is us christians who utter nonsense about the bible saying it upholds scientific principles or whatever. He has not read the bible before and he gives this false and stupid assumption. He is without logic. He thinks it is so fun to lie about the bible as christians but we rather spend our time masturbating if we want to cover up knowing christianity is false(though it is not). So this totally shows how ironic he and the other atheists are. They refuse to read the bible and than say it is false. What kind of shit is that? You ask me did I read sutras but HELLO? Why should I participate in a religion MADE BY MAN? If Buddhism says it is a religion from some gods, maybe I might read it too. But, under common sense and logic, I WILL NOT
Since the atheists and people from other religions say we are narrow-minded, I am going to make a narrow-minded remark here too. Oh, it's fun to stoop to your low levels sometimes.
''Buddha was just a guy tired of smelly naked guys and started making up his own stories''
here is another one.
''Good ole fat buddha was demon posessed.''
How do you like that? =)
1- Reincarnation
can't be true because it is numerically impossible.
If there is one soul per person, and if the population
of the world is increasing (which it is), where are all these new souls
coming from? In other words, the population has more than doubled from
around two billion at the turn of the century to over 6 billion today. If
each of these 5 billion souls have lived at least ONE past life, where did
the over 4 billion souls come from which did not exist before 1900 AD ? It
seems there are several possible solutions to this problem:
(A) These new souls are coming
from animals or inanimate matter.
(B) These new souls are coming
from other planets (Shirley Maclaine has offered this as a solution I have
heard), ETs and stuff.
(C) New souls come out of
"thin air" or are somehow created by God or perhaps have always
existed so they are actually "old" souls.
(D) or there are people with
several souls -- perhaps 3 or more.
Since the standard definition of reincarnation involves
one soul per person, that rules out option (D). Now if you accept the
classic Hindu concept of reincarnation -- the idea that you could come
back as a cockroach if you lived a really bad life -- then option (A) is a
possible solution. If you are nuts, then option (B) is possible.
Again, if the standard definition of reincarnation
holds true, new souls are not created out of thin air, but already exist
and are just taking on new lives and new bodies. So option (C) is out.
The Catholic concept is that souls are indeed created
immediately by God (see the Catechism paragraph 366). One soul and one
body (Mt 10:28).
2- Reincarnation is not true because it contradicts the
Resurrection.
To quote some Bible, "it is appointed for men to
die once, and after that comes judgement" (Heb 9:27) is probably a
text you've heard.
Reincarnation in Hinduism and Buddhism itself is a contradiction. Since all people and animals have souls, why is it that only humans can become enlightened, but not the animals? Animals actually suffer more than humans, given the way they become food on a table. So ants also have a soul? Why don't I see that they become enlightended? They seem more engrossed in serving the nest.
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It makes no sense because the reason we live further
lives is to supposedly improve upon and do restitution for what wrong we
did in our prior lives. But who remembers their prior lives? I have no
conscious memory of any prior lives. So how in the world am I supposed to
improve upon what I did if I can't remember what I did?
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Originally posted by martial:The world celebrates Jesus birthday on christmas and the day that Jesus rose from his grave on good friday. This shows that the world has acknowldeged that Jesus Christ is the real God. No other religious leaders or founder birthday is being celebrated in the world.
Jesus Christ was able to perform miracles. No other religious leaders and founders was able to perform miracles. They are only able to peach and ask you to do good deeds.
Everything mentioned in the bible is and has come true.
A patient certified by doctors to have cancer in the last stage and is only given 6 more months to live can walk into a church and after the pastor prayed for him, his cancer is gone and he becomes a healthy person. No buddhist temples, mosques etc can do this.
Get your facts right. There is Vesek Day for Buddha.
What is your motive of posting this thread? Is it to flame non christians and free thinkers???
Everything mentioned in the bible is and has come true. ----> Not true, not all that is stated in the bible comes true.
Don't stir shit here.
MARITIAL:
A patient certified by doctors to have cancer in the last stage and is only given 6 more months to live can walk into a church and after the pastor prayed for him, his cancer is gone and he becomes a healthy person. No buddhist temples, mosques etc can do this.
TS, then go tell all those cancer patients in all hospitals in Sg. Pure arrogance will do you no good. God does not like arrogant christians. Arrogance is a sin.
Prove to us that no buddhist temples, mosques can pray and cure cancer patients. Prove it, come on.
YOu are not practising the love that God wants his children to show to non believers by posting such crap here.
Originally posted by coolgeek84:No offense to you my dear friend but,
1) You are quite stupid to blatantly declare such statements.
2) You are ignorant of the world around you.
3) Your complete lack of general knowledge puzzles me.
4) You can be classified as an extremist.
5) You have no respect for other religions and as such other human beings which means you practically failed living a good life.
6) I really pity you.
He is a fool. By posting here he is making enemies and will not help him in any way in evanglism.
Originally posted by Larryteo:Agree with HappyInfo2. Laurence82 is just an idiot who utters nonsense, and then says it is us christians who utter nonsense about the bible saying it upholds scientific principles or whatever. He has not read the bible before and he gives this false and stupid assumption. He is without logic. He thinks it is so fun to lie about the bible as christians but we rather spend our time masturbating if we want to cover up knowing christianity is false(though it is not). So this totally shows how ironic he and the other atheists are. They refuse to read the bible and than say it is false. What kind of shit is that? You ask me did I read sutras but HELLO? Why should I participate in a religion MADE BY MAN? If Buddhism says it is a religion from some gods, maybe I might read it too. But, under common sense and logic, I WILL NOT
No I am not refering to Laurence82....
Originally posted by Short Ninja:If Rooney is not sure where he is eventually going to I am saying it to him and to you 'You people are definitely not going to Hell'.If your God is all about love,compassion and charity in due time everybody will flock to him but dont not use 'Hell' or 'Heaven' to recruit new believers.
Well said. I read a by Christian author and stated that some christians go to hell, too.
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