I know breaking away from Christianity is almost impossible
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
evidently, you did not even bother to check the verses you are quoting....
there is no chapter 29 in Matthew. This gospel ends with chapter 28. The verse you are quoting is from chapter 19.... this is either a typo on your part or from the atheists website you are extracting from. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2019:26&version=NIV
so it goes to show that if you can't even get your passage right, it suffice to say that you did not even bother to do any research into the context of the verses, which can simply be done by either refering to Bible concordances, or go read up some apologetics studies.
... but let's go beyond your apparent lack of indepth understanding...
Matt 19:
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
The response of "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" was preceded by the question of who can enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus said that is it more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a camel to go through the eye of the needle, to which the disciples basically asked "so does it mean that no one can enter the kingdom of God?" and Jesus answers that according to man's standard, it is not possible, but with God, this is possible....
On Joshua, the record is of a military operation, wherein no supernatural power was involved. The army of Israel were facing a force with a more superior weapon. Based on military might alone, the army of Israel were not able to conquer the enemy's force.
Could God have been involved supernaturally? Yes! But did He? No!
When challenged by Satan in the desert to jump from the cliff, Jesus' respond was, why put God to the test.
what happen at Lighthouse church has nothing to do with me.... i really don't care.
you couldn't possibly lessen any bad karma of me.... you don't even know my real name.
you know, you cannot even write coherently.... you last para doesn't even make any sense at all.
Dear Chin Eng,
You are not fair to TS.
Yes, point out his typo and cut/paste mistake. Thanks. There is no need to challenge his understanding of the Bible.
Everyone has their own interpretation of Bible. For a non-believer, it is easy to see that the Bible cannot hold on its own.
It is like "the Emperor New Clothes". Every one will see it differently. Of course, those people who trust REASONS and EVIDENTS will know if the Emperor has wore anything at all. There is no need to challenge people on the understanding of nudity. (Borrowed this analogy from Richard Dawkins)
Have a nice day.
Yours sincerely
laffin
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Yeah everybody knew that the emperor is naked lah, but because they scared or wan to carry balls, thats why say the clothes nice lah.
But in this case, whose balls are TS carrying?
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Originally posted by laffin123:
Dear Chin Eng,
You are not fair to TS.
Yes, point out his typo and cut/paste mistake. Thanks. There is no need to challenge his understanding of the Bible.
Everyone has their own interpretation of Bible. For a non-believer, it is easy to see that the Bible cannot hold on its own.
It is like "the Emperor New Clothes". Every one will see it differently. Of course, those people who trust REASONS and EVIDENTS will know if the Emperor has wore anything at all. There is no need to challenge people on the understanding of nudity. (Borrowed this analogy from Richard Dawkins)
Have a nice day.
Yours sincerely
laffin
i challenge his understanding of the Bible because that's the basis for his rants. the crux of the matter is that the TS is extracting statements and insert independent meaning away from the context of the passages.
the issue, really, isn't even about theology. it's about how one should read literature, which i am sure the TS knows.
if to a unbeliever, the bible cannot hold hold on it's own.... then how do unbelievers become believers????
it is likely that there are some who will argue that such converted unbelievers are stupid, perhaps, but that does not take into account of the number of professionals, scientists included who are Christians.
context - if a buffet restaurant advertises a "eat-all-you-want" meal, does that include the uncooked food in the kitchen, or even the furniture and fittings?
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the emperor's new clothes.... actually everyone sees the same thing, that the emperor is naked, this is really a bad example to use.
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Thank you gasband and Chin Eng,
Yes, everybody, including you, see the Emperor naked because of the EVIDENTS, i.e. we can see it.
With REASON, you can convince yourself that he is indeed naked.
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I don't think "stupidity" can count into the equation when people stay in a religion or faith. Most of them want the spiritual strength, that's why they want to follow a religion.
I am not saying religion is right or wrong. I only hate violence coming out from a religious fighting. As a moderate atheist, I just want to people, especially young children from a religious family to be educated and use EVIDENTS and REASONS to help them see the world.
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Your sincerely
Laffin
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Originally posted by laffin123:
Thank you gasband and Chin Eng,
Yes, everybody, including you, see the Emperor naked because of the EVIDENTS, i.e. we can see it.
With REASON, you can convince yourself that he is indeed naked.
ahem... what you originally stated was "it is like "the Emperor New Clothes". Every one will see it differently.the keyword is "differently", which contradicts your current declaration that we see the SAME which is the emperor's nakedness....
also your statement does not make sense.... the evidence is the lack of clothes, there is no need for any reasoning to be done and there is absolutely no need to convince oneself that the emperor is indeed naked.
...as i'd said.... bad example to use.
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Did you watch News on TV yesterday on the biblical faiths boomings?
I will answer loyal Christians back with www.evilbible.com
I just cried by a simple click of this link: http://www.mp4cn.com/2008/yinletiankong/chuncuiyinle/qitalequ/2006-10-28/5632.html
Even for Mara for His mental anguish.
I will soon forget here and delete my acct here.
May All be Well and Happy Always
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wah so drama. Seriously, if u wanna be a buddhist, christian, ex christian or whatever, no need so drama lah! Must cry meh! just do what you like lah. As I said, you just must be able to live with the possibility that you migth be wrong and Jesus is true afterall.
Cheers~~~
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
ahem... what you originally stated was "it is like "the Emperor New Clothes". Every one will see it differently.the keyword is "differently", which contradicts your current declaration that we see the SAME which is the emperor's nakedness....
also your statement does not make sense.... the evidence is the lack of clothes, there is no need for any reasoning to be done and there is absolutely no need to convince oneself that the emperor is indeed naked.
...as i'd said.... bad example to use.
Thanks for debating. Some people could not see through even though the EVIDENT is in font of them.
We can go on and on.
Hope you will make a critical judgement on everything you come upon.
Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by Ex-Christian:
Did you watch News on TV yesterday on the biblical faiths boomings?
I will answer loyal Christians back with www.evilbible.com
I just cried by a simple click of this link: http://www.mp4cn.com/2008/yinletiankong/chuncuiyinle/qitalequ/2006-10-28/5632.html
Even for Mara for His mental anguish.
I will soon forget here and delete my acct here.
May All be Well and Happy Always
You might as well forget here NOW and delete your account NOW....and go be a good Buddhist and learn to live the way that Buddha teaches. That will help your karma.
One thing I know is that Buddha NEVER teaches his followers to go and speak ill of another faith especially with falsehood and misguided understanding (or total lack of understanding). Continue doing this and I am sure you will agree is bad for your karma.
Be happy always and God bless you!
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Originally posted by Happyinfo2:
You might as well forget here NOW and delete your account NOW....and go be a good Buddhist and learn to live the way that Buddha teaches. That will help your karma.
One thing I know is that Buddha NEVER teaches his followers to go and speak ill of another faith especially with falsehood and misguided understanding (or total lack of understanding). Continue doing this and I am sure you will agree is bad for your karma.
Be happy always and God bless you!
Amen!
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Originally posted by laffin123:
Dear Chin Eng,
You are not fair to TS.
Yes, point out his typo and cut/paste mistake. Thanks. There is no need to challenge his understanding of the Bible.
Everyone has their own interpretation of Bible. For a non-believer, it is easy to see that the Bible cannot hold on its own.
It is like "the Emperor New Clothes". Every one will see it differently. Of course, those people who trust REASONS and EVIDENTS will know if the Emperor has wore anything at all. There is no need to challenge people on the understanding of nudity. (Borrowed this analogy from Richard Dawkins)
Have a nice day.
Yours sincerely
laffin
Isn't it evidents and reasons enough that many has pointed out that TS really does not know what he is talking about (with regards to his understanding of the Bible)?
Can't you see the evidence and reasons? Or should we cover it up with excuses such as "Everyone has their own interpretation of Bible" ?
How can 1 man's wrong interpretation be used to justify his claim that the entire faith is wrong and bad?
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Originally posted by laffin123:
Thanks for debating. Some people could not see through even though the EVIDENT is in font of them.
We can go on and on.
Hope you will make a critical judgement on everything you come upon.
Have a nice day.
likewise, i can also say that the evidence that there is creation is out there for all to see, yet many choose not to see it. -
evidence? we dun even seek evidence tat our marriages will be blissful until the end b4 we get married...cos we noe tat if we keep looking for tat, we will nvr get married...
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evidence? we dun even seek evidence tat our marriages will be blissful until the end b4 we get married...cos we noe tat if we keep looking for tat, we will nvr get married...
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Originally posted by despondent:
evidence? we dun even seek evidence tat our marriages will be blissful until the end b4 we get married...cos we noe tat if we keep looking for tat, we will nvr get married...
sometimes i see this kind of analogies i sighdo we not seek evidence christianity/buddhism/islam/etc is real, or else after we die we realise the mormons are right?
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i see u r not a fan of mormonism...seems like they r not very successful in singapore...anyway, perhaps u would like to explain y u tink we dun need evidence tat our marriages will be blissful until we die b4 marrying?
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Originally posted by despondent:
i see u r not a fan of mormonism...seems like they r not very successful in singapore...anyway, perhaps u would like to explain y u tink we dun need evidence tat our marriages will be blissful until we die b4 marrying?
nop, i never think we need evidence tat our marriages will be blissful until we die b4 marryingthis is not the �点
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and i never state whether i am a fan of mormonism or not
this is also not the �点
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so my pt is...y is it tat for marriages we dun need evidence but for religion we need? besides, my initial post wasnt referring to u
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referring to me or not is not �点
i dun noe if religion we need evidence, but i do noe a lot of people like to point to 'evidences' to point out their religion or religious teachings are real
so can the logic stemmed from the analogy of needing evidence of a blissful marriage apply to the situation of needing evidences to support claims of a religion?
i shall think not, hence the analogy is at best, situational
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then maybe its a suggestion to these ppl tat if marriage can be by faith, y cun religion be by faith?if marriage is 1st by faith then taking a step at a time, then y cun one believe in a religion by faith 1st then take it one step at a time?
again, tis is addressing those who keep insisting tat religion, like many things requires evidence...a food for their tots...
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Originally posted by despondent:
then maybe its a suggestion to these ppl tat if marriage can be by faith, y cun religion be by faith?if marriage is 1st by faith then taking a step at a time, then y cun one believe in a religion by faith 1st then take it one step at a time?
again, tis is addressing those who keep insisting tat religion, like many things requires evidence...a food for their tots...
yes, i understand u, there is no evidence for christianty or its teachings, hence faith alone will work
works for me
i think i will sell more 'magic stone' using this logic
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Originally posted by Ex-Christian:
Did you watch News on TV yesterday on the biblical faiths boomings?
I will answer loyal Christians back with www.evilbible.com
I just cried by a simple click of this link: http://www.mp4cn.com/2008/yinletiankong/chuncuiyinle/qitalequ/2006-10-28/5632.html
Even for Mara for His mental anguish.
I will soon forget here and delete my acct here.
May All be Well and Happy Always
You fucked up!
Do you expect people to agree with an atheist website?
You don't think very well. It's not possible that you are a Buddhist. Most of all, you were never a Christian.
Tell me how and where did you find serenity and tranquility ?
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Originally posted by laffin123:
Dear Chin Eng,
You are not fair to TS.
Yes, point out his typo and cut/paste mistake. Thanks. There is no need to challenge his understanding of the Bible.
Everyone has their own interpretation of Bible. For a non-believer, it is easy to see that the Bible cannot hold on its own.
It is like "the Emperor New Clothes". Every one will see it differently. Of course, those people who trust REASONS and EVIDENTS will know if the Emperor has wore anything at all. There is no need to challenge people on the understanding of nudity. (Borrowed this analogy from Richard Dawkins)
Have a nice day.
Yours sincerely
laffin
just to inquire,wud did you meant by:
Everyone has their own interpretation of Bible. For a non-believer, it is easy to see that the Bible cannot hold on its own.
your first sentence is fine, each and every person has their own interpretation of the bible, but your next sentence just proposes your ideology dat you as a non-believer, understands the whole bible from head to toe and definatly 100% understands what it is trying to say? are you trying to say that? because if you are, i think it is merely ignorance your displaying.
how can a non-believer say it is easy to see that the bible cannot hold on its own? on what grounds are you basing this idea on? on the grounds are you saying that you understand the whole bible but you still see that it cannot hold on its own?
sorry if im grumbling, but i just dont feel comfortable with you saying this sentence and i hope that you wud change it if you understand what im trying to explain...=/
i personally agree on what laurence82 said, there is no physical prove of religion, but that goes with any other religion, i mean, non-believers can also be considered as a religion in some aspects if you think about it properly. the only way to solve these disputes is to actually apply ours in faith, you dun have to come to another religion's forum and post things that you know will gain flaming from, if you actually do that, all your doing is bring bad name into your religion. in christianity, god does tell us that in certain times where non-believers do go over-board, we should do something about it, but this isnt the time yet.