What happen to the Soul when a Person is Death
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to rooney9
badzmaro has summarised the content of the illustration i have regarding the writing of the bible...although my illustration is more extensive, its along the same line...so now tell me...is the explanation gd enuff??? dun forget i mentioned in my earlier post alredi tat u probabaly wun see it as gd enuff...apple-orange argument/discussion
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
No. God did not write it by His own hand, God is the author of the Bible, but he used men to write the bible.
So is the next question going to be.. if men wrote it.. it must subject to falsity ?
ah this beg the question isnt it. what proof there is to show that its god's word? since you mentioned the next question, the next one is how do you disprove that bible is not written by men?
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Originally posted by despondent:
to rooney9
badzmaro has summarised the content of the illustration i have regarding the writing of the bible...although my illustration is more extensive, its along the same line...so now tell me...is the explanation gd enuff??? dun forget i mentioned in my earlier post alredi tat u probabaly wun see it as gd enuff...apple-orange argument/discussion
you know
apple-orange argument/discussion is never about good enough
it does irk me people who are unable to explain, or in this case explain about paradigms goes into 'not good enuff'
sounds defeatist to me
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they did explained that the rains, night and day happening like clockwork did not simply happen by chance and so forth, are works of god, according to one smart alec in his earlier explanation.so similarly acts of god entails earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions etc. so big bang actually triggered by god lor.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
so you're saying you could judge God for His decision being unwise.....right.....then again most unbelievers relate to God like they relate to other people they know.you mean like relating olazhong when talk about satan and wijaja to singapore right?
u got it!
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
ah this beg the question isnt it. what proof there is to show that its god's word? since you mentioned the next question, the next one is how do you disprove that bible is not written by men?
Simple. Imagine this. You are given a task to record down all the deeds. Now, of course, for YOU to be chosen, u must either be of utmost loyal or belief in the person to actually be selected to record down the deeds. Now imagine this, the last person that alters for good or ill the records, was found out.. skin ripped right off, flailed.. disembowled and fed to the dogs while he was still alive. Unknown to u, there are actually recording devices watching you, u know something is watching, but u dont know what it is. All he told u is to record the truth, and what he is about to tell u. Its 20th century surveillance meeting 1000BC caveman. No ? Dont understand ? Cant imagine ? No comprande ? o.k.The biblical auhours all believed themselves to be the instruments for HIs teachings and the spreading of His gospel. These men were inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit to spread the message of God and Jesus Christ.
God specifically chose each one of them to tell a unique part of His tale. We have the Bible today because God uses people who desire His will above thier own to deliver His message.
We can trust that the Bible is authentic because of the fact that it was written down, and we know that written text does not suffer from the same peril as the spoken word. What we say is frequently changed as it is passed on from one person to another; what we write down may occasionally undergo minor changes as language evolves, but actually content meaning rarely changes. In the case of the Bible, what we have available to us is based on documnets that are no more than four or five generations from the originals. The finding of the Dead Sea scrolls offers further proof that the Bible we have today is faithful to the meaning and intent of the original authors - who as we have established, believed they were speaking for God Himself.
No understand ? Let me cut n paste for you. Maybe that will have more substance.
Who Wrote the Bible - A Letter from God
“Who wrote the Bible” is a question that is undoubtedly asked by many who are familiar with the impact this book has made on people around the world. The Bible gives guidance in our journey through life to eternity, as well as leads us to a relationship with the God of the universe. It is a historical book that is backed by archeology, and a prophetic book that has lived up to all of its claims thus far. In light of all these facts, asking, “who wrote the bible,” is a vital question that deserves serious investigation and a serious response. The Bible is God’s letter to humanity collected into 66 books written by 40 divinely inspired writers. These writers come from all walks of life (i.e., kings to fishermen) and spans over a period of 1,500 years or more. These claims may seem dramatic (or unrealistic to some), but a careful and honest study of the biblical scriptures will show them to be true.Who Wrote the Bible - Evidence of Divine Inspiration
“Who wrote the Bible” is a question that can be definitively answered by examining the biblical texts in light of the external evidences that supports its claims. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.
God does not leave us with just claims of His divine handiwork in the Bible, but also supports it with compelling evidence. The design of the Bible itself is a miracle. Written over more than 1,500 years by vastly different writers, yet every book in the Bible is consistent in its message. These 66 books talk about history, prophecy, poetry, and theology. Despite their complexity, differences in writing styles and vast time periods, the books of the Bible agree miraculously well in theme, facts and cross-referencing. No human beings could have planned such an intricate combination of books over a 1,500-year time span. Bible manuscripts (remember, there were no printing presses until 1455) have survived despite weather, persecution and time. Most ancient writings written on weak materials like papyrus have vanished all together. Yet many copies of the Old Testament scriptures survived. For instance, the Dead Sea Scrolls contain all books of the Old Testament, except Esther, and have been dated to before the time of Christ. Consider Julius Caesar’s Gallic Wars. Only ten copies written about 1,000 years after the event are in existence. In comparison, there are over 24,000+ New Testament manuscripts, the earliest one dating to within 24 years after Christ.
The Bible also validates its divine authorship through fulfilled prophecies. An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled and none have ever been proven false (three are unconfirmed). An honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the divine authorship of the Bible. Further, archeology confirms (or in some cases supports) accounts in the biblical record. No other holy book comes close to the Bible in the amount of evidence supporting its divine authorship.Who Wrote the Bible - A Question of Eternal Significance
“Who Wrote the Bible” is indeed a question that everyone must ask. If indeed it is the Word of the living God, then no other book gives us more insight into our lives, more hope for our future, and a true path to a relationship with God. Search the Bible with openness and honesty and see for yourself what the Creator of the universe wants to tell you!Maybe someone has pasted this already, but i lack the patience to go on and on over the same question over n over again, like i said, if u dont believe, u dont. No point asking questions again, because by doing so, its no different then specifically targetting christians for your own ego. Ego in bashing christians ? Maybe its your thing.. its your fetish. Dont see u asking the Muslims why they dont eat pork and continuing in your onslaught. Or the hindus with thier rites. I have responded accordingly, but u dont seem to look at the senteneces supporting my statement, instead.. go on and on with the same old question. So hope this super long wall of text will answer your same question.
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badzmaro, i noe wad he may say...he may say where did u get the info from? is t from a reliable source? who were the ones who authenticate the bible(if fellow believers, then not counted)? who says bible is consistent wif no errors(he may start listing down the paradoxes and errors he noes of)?
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It depends, If he asks that, then he never really read the entire post. Because if he really were to challenge or point out inconsistencies, he should finish reading the bible, and then come and poke holes at it. To challenge the authenticity of the book, one must first read the book.
Likewise, I didnt take philosophy and jurisprudence for two years to not try to discover the mysteries, the arguments, and facts and the unknown surrounding to the simplest philosophy of life. Most arguments so far in EH are like Philosophy 134 Logic and Computability . There is no point in me going for the 'If God exists, then there is no evil. Because there is still evil, hence God dont exist.. etc Because, i can equally make a logical Existence of God theory. And trust me, at philosophical retreats, the arguments put forth are 10 times more interesting then what i see in here. More substance and more challenging. This is like babies level compared to the retreat.
So i will just let it be. Because any more questions, can be answered by other people, that are maybe less learned, or more knowledgable in the interpretations of the bible and its existence; and when a less learned person comes along, he will most likely be the new target subject to the same attack.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
Simple. Imagine this. You are given a task to record down all the deeds. Now, of course, for YOU to be chosen, u must either be of utmost loyal or belief in the person to actually be selected to record down the deeds. Now imagine this, the last person that alters for good or ill the records, was found out.. skin ripped right off, flailed.. disembowled and fed to the dogs while he was still alive. Unknown to u, there are actually recording devices watching you, u know something is watching, but u dont know what it is. All he told u is to record the truth, and what he is about to tell u. Its 20th century surveillance meeting 1000BC caveman. No ? Dont understand ? Cant imagine ? No comprande ? o.k.The biblical auhours all believed themselves to be the instruments for HIs teachings and the spreading of His gospel. These men were inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit to spread the message of God and Jesus Christ.
God specifically chose each one of them to tell a unique part of His tale. We have the Bible today because God uses people who desire His will above thier own to deliver His message.
We can trust that the Bible is authentic because of the fact that it was written down, and we know that written text does not suffer from the same peril as the spoken word. What we say is frequently changed as it is passed on from one person to another; what we write down may occasionally undergo minor changes as language evolves, but actually content meaning rarely changes. In the case of the Bible, what we have available to us is based on documnets that are no more than four or five generations from the originals. The finding of the Dead Sea scrolls offers further proof that the Bible we have today is faithful to the meaning and intent of the original authors - who as we have established, believed they were speaking for God Himself.
No understand ? Let me cut n paste for you. Maybe that will have more substance.
Who Wrote the Bible - A Letter from God
“Who wrote the Bible” is a question that is undoubtedly asked by many who are familiar with the impact this book has made on people around the world. The Bible gives guidance in our journey through life to eternity, as well as leads us to a relationship with the God of the universe. It is a historical book that is backed by archeology, and a prophetic book that has lived up to all of its claims thus far. In light of all these facts, asking, “who wrote the bible,” is a vital question that deserves serious investigation and a serious response. The Bible is God’s letter to humanity collected into 66 books written by 40 divinely inspired writers. These writers come from all walks of life (i.e., kings to fishermen) and spans over a period of 1,500 years or more. These claims may seem dramatic (or unrealistic to some), but a careful and honest study of the biblical scriptures will show them to be true.Who Wrote the Bible - Evidence of Divine Inspiration
“Who wrote the Bible” is a question that can be definitively answered by examining the biblical texts in light of the external evidences that supports its claims. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.
God does not leave us with just claims of His divine handiwork in the Bible, but also supports it with compelling evidence. The design of the Bible itself is a miracle. Written over more than 1,500 years by vastly different writers, yet every book in the Bible is consistent in its message. These 66 books talk about history, prophecy, poetry, and theology. Despite their complexity, differences in writing styles and vast time periods, the books of the Bible agree miraculously well in theme, facts and cross-referencing. No human beings could have planned such an intricate combination of books over a 1,500-year time span. Bible manuscripts (remember, there were no printing presses until 1455) have survived despite weather, persecution and time. Most ancient writings written on weak materials like papyrus have vanished all together. Yet many copies of the Old Testament scriptures survived. For instance, the Dead Sea Scrolls contain all books of the Old Testament, except Esther, and have been dated to before the time of Christ. Consider Julius Caesar’s Gallic Wars. Only ten copies written about 1,000 years after the event are in existence. In comparison, there are over 24,000+ New Testament manuscripts, the earliest one dating to within 24 years after Christ.
The Bible also validates its divine authorship through fulfilled prophecies. An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled and none have ever been proven false (three are unconfirmed). An honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the divine authorship of the Bible. Further, archeology confirms (or in some cases supports) accounts in the biblical record. No other holy book comes close to the Bible in the amount of evidence supporting its divine authorship.Who Wrote the Bible - A Question of Eternal Significance
“Who Wrote the Bible” is indeed a question that everyone must ask. If indeed it is the Word of the living God, then no other book gives us more insight into our lives, more hope for our future, and a true path to a relationship with God. Search the Bible with openness and honesty and see for yourself what the Creator of the universe wants to tell you!Maybe someone has pasted this already, but i lack the patience to go on and on over the same question over n over again, like i said, if u dont believe, u dont. No point asking questions again, because by doing so, its no different then specifically targetting christians for your own ego. Ego in bashing christians ? Maybe its your thing.. its your fetish. Dont see u asking the Muslims why they dont eat pork and continuing in your onslaught. Or the hindus with thier rites. I have responded accordingly, but u dont seem to look at the senteneces supporting my statement, instead.. go on and on with the same old question. So hope this super long wall of text will answer your same question.
How does the bible compare with Sun Tze's Art of War written in 6th century BC? Also re-written and re-interpreted by vastly different authors (from cave men to ang mohs) in subsequent generations to apply in many areas (including business management), but still consistent in its message that detailed planning and preparation precedes action. No big deal, rite?
And so what if we have the very first edition of the bible? It's interpretation varies from reader to reader. The various denomination (Roman-Catholics, Christians, Orthodox Christians, Jehovah's Witness to satanic groups like Heaven's Gate...etc) is far stronger proof that the bible is not well-written enough to be spared from mis-interpretation and abuse. If you are creating a set of laws to govern the people, will you write the law in an ambiguous way that is subject to abuse?
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hai...badzmaro...see wad i mean?
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Joshua lead the israelites on a blood bath to take the promised land (that's like the ancient version of the Holacaust, but the Jews are the bad guys 3000 yrs before the Nazi Germans).
What will happen to Joshua's soul?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=904cSdShfic
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Originally posted by despondent:
badzmaro, i noe wad he may say...he may say where did u get the info from? is t from a reliable source? who were the ones who authenticate the bible(if fellow believers, then not counted)? who says bible is consistent wif no errors(he may start listing down the paradoxes and errors he noes of)?
this is precisely what we need
deep scholarly look at bible, not for people to shove it onto our face and we have to accept it
why are non believers told to accept everything? and eventually to believe in christianity? why?
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Tell you a true life story.
My aunt pass away. Their children convert my aunt to a christian. At the wake, it is christian affair.
My uncle came, he's buddhist. My uncle, of course, sadden by the lost of his sister. Went to buy coffee and food and jossstick to offer his late sister. Nothing wrong right?
My aunt children told my uncle, : " If you want to offer prayer, food, drinks, joss stick, please move further away and pray at one corner."
My uncle was heart broken when heard that. Then out of sudden, a very strong gust of wind topple the table (in fornt of her table)! My uncle quickly offer food and joss stick at one corner and the wind suddenly stop.
Until now, I still remember the incident.
Why when pple going to die, you then convert the going to die pple to chris?
The Children were thinking that if mom ended up in heaven they would still be separated from her one day cuz it is not Christian Heaven.This is also the reason why my sisters are trying to get me back to church.People choose a religion which they think could give them eternal salvation and from then on all is good ,is life really that simple? I can only say that I am not going to Hell or Heaven nor a church and I have far more important things to worry about while on Earth.
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I wonder do you guys believe in people having the "3rd eye"(able to see ghosts). Last year, there was a book selling in bookshop (one of the bestseller). It is about a local 10 or 11 year old boy who claimed that he has 3rd eye. If I am not wrong, the title of the book is "The Boy Who Talks to Ghosts". It claimed to be a true story with his picture on the cover of the book. His mother is a christian but because of his son's 3rd eye, she brought his son to see a monk to cover his 3rd eye.
In the book, he described where the souls go to. He said his younger sister's soul (who passed away at young age) was always with his family. He was able to communicate with her. I heard there are a few guys with 3rd eyes around. I think these guys will know better where do souls go after death.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
I wonder do you guys believe in people having the "3rd eye"(able to see ghosts). Last year, there was a book selling in bookshop (one of the bestseller). It is about a local 10 or 11 year old boy who claimed that he has 3rd eye. If I am not wrong, the title of the book is "The Boy Who Talks to Ghosts". It claimed to be a true story with his picture on the cover of the book. His mother is a christian but because of his son's 3rd eye, she brought his son to see a monk to cover his 3rd eye.
In the book, he described where the souls go to. He said his younger sister's soul (who passed away at young age) was always with his family. He was able to communicate with her. I heard there are a few guys with 3rd eyes around. I think these guys will know better where do souls go after death.
It all depends on how that person lived when she/he was alive.We all will stay awile with the living until it is time for us to let go of ourselves and move on.Speaking of the 'Third Eye' we were all born with that ability but blinded ourselves with thoughts that there is no such thing.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
It all depends on how that person lived when she/he was alive.We all will stay awile with the living until it is time for us to let go of ourselves and move on.Speaking of the 'Third Eye' we were all born with that ability but blinded ourselves with thoughts that there is no such thing.
hoy, simi 3rd eye har. u think every body is ninja aheveryone not the same ma, some pple one eye also got
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Originally posted by BotaHead:
hoy, simi 3rd eye har. u think every body is ninja aheveryone not the same ma, some pple one eye also got
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
if god is all merciful and is not discriminatory and compassionate, why not all go to heaven? here lies the paradox. since you claimed that god is the creator of all things, we are considered his offsprings isnt it, why some are born rich and poor some disabled, some intelligent, some stupid etc. the list goes on.
by the word, your reply to my question is it god's reply or your reply? if its your reply, then whats god reply on this issue? surely you cannot speak for god can you?
My answer to Rooney's question on why some are born rich and poor, some intelligent, some stupid etc. the list goes on.
As a buddhist, my reply is karma. One will have no further questions ask if I say it is due to karma because it is fair.
Some may ask. It is not fair to say is karma because one has no idea what one had done in the past but had to suffer in this life.
Some well learned person gave me this answer. A person who was drunk while driving, knocked down another person. Can he claim that he is not aware of his action or cannot recall his action because he was drunk as an excuse for not responsible for his action?
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
My answer to Rooney's question on why some are born rich and poor, some intelligent, some stupid etc. the list goes on.
As a buddhist, my reply is karma. One will have no further questions ask if I say it is due to karma because it is fair.
Some may ask. It is not fair to say is karma because one has no idea what one had done in the past but had to suffer in this life.
Some well learned person gave me this answer. A person who was drunk while driving, knocked down another person. Can he claim that he is not aware of his action or cannot recall his action because he was drunk as an excuse for not responsible for his action?
christian only believe in god, they dun believe in karma, just like buddhists dun believe in a creator. since this is their forum, suggest you dun use your buddhist perspectives when commenting, but you can challenge the concept of flawed and paradoxes of god.
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Karma...what you do now will get what you reap later.
Nowadays, it's strange that normally what you do will have the consequences many many months later, but not now, what you do, yuo will get it very fast.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
christian only believe in god, they dun believe in karma, just like buddhists dun believe in a creator. since this is their forum, suggest you dun use your buddhist perspectives when commenting, but you can challenge the concept of flawed and paradoxes of god.
Yeah you are right. I will not do it next time unless they ask for Buddhist's views. Christian guys, sorry ! But I see no results in challenging them. Karma ends all the questions ask so ok I do it for the very last time.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Karma...what you do now will get what you reap later.
Nowadays, it's strange that normally what you do will have the consequences many many months later, but not now, what you do, yuo will get it very fast.
Yeah, I have the same sentiment. Very scary nowadays, so be careful of our actions.
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Originally posted by kilfer:
How does the bible compare with Sun Tze's Art of War written in 6th century BC? Also re-written and re-interpreted by vastly different authors (from cave men to ang mohs) in subsequent generations to apply in many areas (including business management), but still consistent in its message that detailed planning and preparation precedes action. No big deal, rite?
And so what if we have the very first edition of the bible? It's interpretation varies from reader to reader. The various denomination (Roman-Catholics, Christians, Orthodox Christians, Jehovah's Witness to satanic groups like Heaven's Gate...etc) is far stronger proof that the bible is not well-written enough to be spared from mis-interpretation and abuse. If you are creating a set of laws to govern the people, will you write the law in an ambiguous way that is subject to abuse?
Well, the interpretations themselves are always subject to misconceptions and misinterpretations over time as people begin to have thier own set of ideas and meaning. No doubt about that, what is more important is the originality of the text itself and the teachings of the original text re-interpreted to the times now.The interpretations evolve over time. Thats why its a living bible. Sun Tzu's art of war is a military , its chapters all dedicated to aspects of war. But it can hardly be compared to the bible in terms of the area's it covers. Applying Sun Tzu to business, i does not talk anything about compassion love fear. It is easier to apply Sun Tzu's method because the wars now fought, are economic wars.
When u talk about laws to govern people, u must ask urself where did these laws come from? The jurisprudence behind it ? Should we have laws that list down exactly what we should do and what we should not do ? Will it be too arbitrary ? Will it restrict our autonomy ? How will it fair against the state and the people ? Should we be told what the law IS.. or what the law Ought to be ? Do we even know what the law is? How do u know it ? Sure, there are always ambiquous terms subject to interpretation when the person drafted it. But like all laws they can be reformed, they can be amended. It has always been and will continue to do so. But for the bible, it cant be amended, its text cant be changed, hence its natural that the ambiguity of its meaning can be subject to questioning over time. So this wont be the end of the debate. It will continue on for a long long time.
And trust me... God has given a simple 10 commandents on what IS the law. And it takes someone of great faith and principle to follow the simple 10 rules. Now imagine u got 1001 of them. We will all be hanged. Every one of us.
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well-said badzmaro, but again, they sure will have sth to say against it...
anyway, juz curious...does evolution provide any explanation how animals wif no conscience became human beings wif conscience?
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Originally posted by despondent:
well-said badzmaro, but again, they sure will have sth to say against it...
anyway, juz curious...does evolution provide any explanation how animals wif no conscience became human beings wif conscience?
Could it be possible that some animals do have conscience and some humans dont?