What happen to the Soul when a Person is Death
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If I believe in Jesus, can he give me $1,000,000??
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Originally posted by ^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~:
Can I NPNT anot?
Ur first sentence suggests that GOD gives his Love and Care selectively... Which I think GOD is much more gracious and generous than that... Unconditionally isn't it?
It sudden dawn to me wat u're suggesting is something I've seen somewhere in the forum... Where a person said something abt a poster like "Believe in me and you will be properous"... ahh... the same logic and mindset is often used in MLM though...
Yes God gives His love for everyone He even loves people that don't know Him and don't worship Him and even involved in occultism. We are nothing yet He because of His pity and perfect knowing love every people even when that person doesn't know Him.
God's love is for everyone but not everyone would respond to that and get blessed.
And it's true that there is a very wide division between those that God's chose and those that choose to live outside His love.
If you think God gain anything for each believer that believe in Him well He doesn't. You can't give God anything but your love to Him. But he pays infinitely more to those who truly love Him so there's actually nothing that a man could give God in comparison. You can't pay to live forever that is just too great. A million lifetime doing good cannot buy an eternal life and freedom from death.
But then again there's not much point talking about God to unbelievers that would be like trying to articulate how a rose smell. -
Originally posted by likeyou:
If I believe in Jesus, can he give me $1,000,000??
The question is not if God can but why would you ask that and why would God give you a million bucks. And that's just so cheap/ He gave Joseph the whole Egypt ,then the most powerful nation on the planet
But more importantly God can give you things that you can never even imagine: ETERNAL power, freedom from death, knowledge, peace, but then again we cannot ask for things that we do not know even exist.
If you think Alexander the great...great think again....! I believe every kings would weep had they known what eternal power taste like. -
if he could perform miracle in next ge
then, i believe
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" ... Yes God gives His love for everyone He even loves people that don't know Him...."
It was nice to hear that that GOD loves everyone regardless of who you are.
How about is he is not a christian? Will GOD still love him?
That follow by if GOD really loves pple that dont know him, how about when ones die? Non chirs go hell even GOD loves pple that dont know him?
Someone care to answer this?
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
It was not a personal experience that led to my knowledge on the world of the death. It was a revelation of sort I don't know what else to call it. I'm suggesting everyone who professed himself or herself as a Christian to read the bible and to look for its meaning without predefined ideas and without fear of having to conform to any doctrine. Just read the bible itself. The word of God in itself is telling us every believer that resurrection will only come and promised at the end of time. Jesus made us a promise to raise all of us: AT the end of time. Just be honest, be curious go and read the bible.
If you found some parts are a bit unclear DO NOT assume that you know its meaning. Leave it to that. If you assume a verse too much or take it without its context you are abusing God's words. DO NOT ASSUME that you know anything when reading the bible. Be like a child who has never known anything.u need to learn to summarise and not generalise
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I feel it unbelievable when they say god loves you statement. does god loves christians only, or does god loves christians more than others?
if god loves us, how come he can condemn non believers to hell when they die? to me, this is an incredibly unbelievable paradox here. love is unconditional isnt it, whether you are yellow, white, black, rich, poor, christians or non christians alike, without any discrimination and biases.
if god loves all, then everyone should go to heaven isnt it. so what is stopping god for not allowing everyone to go to heaven? even if anyone were to condemn or disrespect to god, even so, god should be all merciful and compassionate. as mentioned earlier, whatever and however they explain, there will never be a truly satisfactory answer, cos its not god's reply.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I feel it unbelievable when they say god loves you statement. does god loves christians only, or does god loves christians more than others?
if god loves us, how come he can condemn non believers to hell when they die? to me, this is an incredibly unbelievable paradox here. love is unconditional isnt it, whether you are yellow, white, black, rich, poor, christians or non christians alike, without any discrimination and biases.
if god loves all, then everyone should go to heaven isnt it. so what is stopping god for not allowing everyone to go to heaven? even if anyone were to condemn or disrespect to god, even so, god should be all merciful and compassionate. as mentioned earlier, whatever and however they explain, there will never be a truly satisfactory answer, cos its not god's reply.
so you're saying you could judge God for His decision being unwise.....right.....then again most unbelievers relate to God like they relate to other people they know. -
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
so you're saying you could judge God for His decision being unwise.....right.....then again most unbelievers relate to God like they relate to other people they know.
Then how the hell would you judge an very stupid creator? -
Ladies and Gentlemen,
First of all this is a Thread about Where does the soul goes after Death...not to fall into debate between circular religion argument on who held the Words.
The ultimate Divine does not care about your earthly faith representative.
But to go back to the Thread....
If you review the various religions. Each presented different view on transition towards the passing of Life. There really isn't a consensious on these perspective. Or the various perspectives are basically based on religion teaching...
Our biggerest hurddle is that our mind are wrapped up in our own experiences and viewed of the way we studies and comprehend religion plus the divisive environment mixing of cultured superstition.
This topics is to call to break from the Fear and unwrapped our Mind, and knowledged to explore.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I feel it unbelievable when they say god loves you statement. does god loves christians only, or does god loves christians more than others?
if god loves us, how come he can condemn non believers to hell when they die? to me, this is an incredibly unbelievable paradox here. love is unconditional isnt it, whether you are yellow, white, black, rich, poor, christians or non christians alike, without any discrimination and biases.
if god loves all, then everyone should go to heaven isnt it. so what is stopping god for not allowing everyone to go to heaven? even if anyone were to condemn or disrespect to god, even so, god should be all merciful and compassionate. as mentioned earlier, whatever and however they explain, there will never be a truly satisfactory answer, cos its not god's reply.
Okay there are 2 seperate topics here one is the notion of Love the other is being Saved.
I will talked about the notion of "Love"
the Christian churches/Catholics churches did a terrible lousy job in expressing how the notion of Gods love comes about although the Word "Love" came as Jesus last Comand.
Many Christian/catholics likes to use the word Love. but how many people actually realized that "Love" is a human emotional respond. perharps its been 2000 yrs since Jesus walk the walked. They used it too many times it sound like --- "Merry Christmas"
Any person who experience singular Divinity GOD. The first response is Fear not Love.....
The fact that experiencing God is so new that the awareness of God bring a new insight that you are nothing but an insignificant self in the eyes of God.
The experience of Divine God open a new awareness and perspective. Thus writen in the 4th century Creed....God from god, Light from Light, True God from True God.
to highlight the transformation awareness of the present of One GOD from circular knowledge of gods.
With the awareness of God and the fact that you are still breathing at this moment, and experience the joy of life and the 5 senses. or else you basically drop dead this minutes but by the gift of God's Grace.
"...by grace are ye saved through faith; and that
not of yourselves: it is the gift of GodWith the experience and acknowledgement of His Grace and awareness of His present. You over flow your emotion with "Love"
Many speak of Love but how many experience true God. To be able to say God's Love.
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This is probaby the mother of all questions that people have asked themselves countless of time over and over again.Here is what I believe based on my own life experience.My parents were Catholic converts and I am an Ex-Catholic.
The body dies but the soul continue to live.In order for the soul to evolve it needs a body so we through a cycle of four stages of Rebirth=> Growing=>Aging (dying) =>Death and then back to rebirth again.Period!
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
This is probaby the mother of all questions that people have asked themselves countless of time over and over again.Here is what I believe based on my own life experience.My parents were Catholic converts and I am an Ex-Catholic.
The body dies but the soul continue to live.In order for the soul to evolve it needs a body so we through a cycle of four stages of Rebirth=> Growing=>Aging (dying) =>Death and then back to rebirth again.Period!
Yeah. Who does not want to believe one will go to heaven when one dies. I also hope that it is true so I don't have to think deeply and think so much. But the fact is not like that. I converted to a Buddhist also because of my experience when my late uncle and late mother passed away. I did not see their souls but I heard them (not just me) very very clearly (too lazy to describe in details). I think I wrote this somewhere in this forum.
After that experience, I noticed only Buddhism gives details of what happens after death and the descriptions tally with my experience. I have a friend from other religion who had the same experience with me when his loved one passed away, he too turned to Buddhism for explanation.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Yeah. Who does not want to believe one will go to heaven when one dies. I also hope that it is true so I don't have to think deeply and think so much. But the fact is not like that. I converted to a Buddhist also because of my experience when my late uncle and late mother passed away. I did not see their souls but I heard them (not just me) very very clearly (too lazy to describe in details). I think I wrote this somewhere in this forum.
After that experience, I noticed only Buddhism gives details of what happens after death and the descriptions tally with my experience. I have a friend from other religion who had the same experience with me when his loved one passed away, he too turned to Buddhism for explanation.
Just to add. Rightfully, those who are not christians are supposed to go to hell but they did not. So, it is not just heaven and hell, there is more to it.
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I may sound antagonistic to many here, but I will say it anyway.
if you study all the religions in the world, esp the major ones, all if not most has either a single god or polytheism, ie many gods in their tenet of their teachings. all have a supreme divine being as the creator of the world and universes. all teaches that salvation is thru that divine being. all have a soul concept, as well as heaven and hell. also there is an evil being that is the arch rival of god.
to me they are the same, whether is single or many god beliefs even if they exists under many different names. I am disillusioned with these kind of belief system, as its too simplistic and superstitious and frankly speaking out of date and tune to the world we are living now. these religions are at least a few millenniums. up to the 19 century these belief systems are still prosperous and prevalent in societies as science and technology were still not on par as today. when the first man went up to the moon, the myth of chang er was dispelled once and for all. today we do not need to rely on holy water and amulets to cure sicknesses and diseases as compared to the ancient past. today we have medications, vaccines , CT scans, mammography etc to treat it. more discoveries will be made by science and new frontiers established as society will continue to move forward. humans have come a long way without relying on god's help, the existence of god is still debatable to date.
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hey dawnfirstlight, i juz want to clarify tat from the christian perspective, non-christians dun go to hell immediately after they die...tis is cos judgement day hasnt arrived. when christians say tat non-christians go to hell after they die, wad we mean is they are destined to go there but they are not there yet...currently, they are in a place called hades which is not hell(lake of fire)...tis is juz for clarification sake...
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to the atheists, the view of god is too simplistic and superstitious but to the creationists, such a view has tremendous implications which of cuz, the atheists wun agree and identify wif...
conclusion: apple-orange argument/discussion
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Final Judgement.. everyone.. believers and non-believers alike will ALL be judged in front of God.
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superstitiousness is where science and logic are absent.
what is the implication to the view of creationist, you may wish to bring it up to see if its valid?
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how to be judged by something that does not even exists or its presence is still debatable.
anyway thats your paradigm and your worldview that apply to you and your brethren, not me and non believers. I always believe that perception is reality to that person. if i dun believe, it doesnt exists in my world, period. if you believe, then it exists in your world. whether it exists in reality or not, is altogether debatable and open for discussions.
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Then dont ask and dont talk so much. Why still come into threads and forums like this to argue ur cause and logic ?
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rooney9, u have juz agreed unknowingly tat its an apple orange argument so like wad badzmaro said...y are u still here trying to argue ur case since it will lead to nowhere?
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You are no different then those stalking christians telling the dude to go christmas and all. Many times you guys answer your own questions and yet still continue to ask. Just like in the other thread regarding unproven and proven. The theory is still new and yet unproven, question answered by his own answer. Need i say more ?
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bring it up to see if its valid??? u obviously didnt get my pt, didnt u? i said to the atheists, its too simplistic and superstitious while to the creationists, it has tremendous implications...do u tink if i bring it up to ppl who dun have a creationist mindset, such ppl will see/tink tats its valid???
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people and society will never progress if we are to think like this. why bother to learn and discover new things/technology/new frontier/knowledge/medicine if we think god is the be all and end all.