What happen to the Soul when a Person is Death
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Originally posted by John Penn:
Thanks for sharing. Interesting.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
The answer was given to you .. and this is about the fourth time. Its simple. Christian point of view. All goes to hell. BUT awaiting final judgement where ALL will be judged. Believers and Non-believers alike.. how many more times do i have to repeat it.
Doesnt this show compassion that the Almighty is not as cold as you guys think. Sure, u suffer a while because of ur lack of faith, or when given the opportunity u did not accept him. He knows men are weak. He knows us too well. But he loves all of us.
Does that answer ur question ? Or u got more questions. This time, with different variations and denominations.
It seems that different christians have different understanding. Some say will go to heaven immediately. Anway, if everybody goes to hell waiting for judgement day regardless of believers or non-believers, don't you think those who were dead more than 2000 years ago have been waiting for too long? I hope judgement day comes fast or they will be staying in hell far too long like eternity. Are they conscious and do they suffer while waiting for judgement day ?
So, can I say that those who came back from death (from website)and claimed that they saw heaven were fake ?
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Now I think I find out the answer why chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
Something like hundreds hundreds year ago, jesus is ang mo right? Ang mo only got 1 religion, that is christians. So, maybe jesus ever told the pple, be my man and I bring u to heaven.
This cannot apply to the moderm world liao. There are hindu, buddhist, taoists, islam....and it cannot apply by saying all chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
If my answer is true, then the statement cannot be stand and shld be ban.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
It seems that different christians have different understanding. Some say will go to heaven immediately. Anway, if everybody goes to hell waiting for judgement day regardless of believers or non-believers, don't you think those who were dead more than 2000 years ago have been waiting for too long? I hope judgement day comes fast or they will be staying in hell far too long like eternity. Are they conscious and do they suffer while waiting for judgement day ?
So, can I say that those who came back from death (from website)and claimed that they saw heaven were fake ?
In hell, the notion of time and space is irrelevant. And they definately are conscious and suffer. But if they know about the Final Final judgement, they should have a ray of hope when the time comes.
Well, they may not see heaven, but the plane between heaven n hell. To decide whether they go hell or stay at the Garden and await final judgement.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Now I think I find out the answer why chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
Something like hundreds hundreds year ago, jesus is ang mo right? Ang mo only got 1 religion, that is christians. So, maybe jesus ever told the pple, be my man and I bring u to heaven.
This cannot apply to the moderm world liao. There are hindu, buddhist, taoists, islam....and it cannot apply by saying all chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
If my answer is true, then the statement cannot be stand and shld be ban.
Can u not be so stupid or not. I think u are like 15 yrs old and below or something.
You urself make the statement. And Jesus was born in the mid east, whether or not he is ang moh is irrelevant. Please get ur historical background and geographical knowledge up to date please.
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Did I hit something that spot on?
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"whether or not he is ang moh is irrelevant."
Jesus is not ang mo? Maybe acient time, christianity still did not travel far to asia.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Now I think I find out the answer why chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
Something like hundreds hundreds year ago, jesus is ang mo right? Ang mo only got 1 religion, that is christians. So, maybe jesus ever told the pple, be my man and I bring u to heaven.
This cannot apply to the moderm world liao. There are hindu, buddhist, taoists, islam....and it cannot apply by saying all chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
If my answer is true, then the statement cannot be stand and shld be ban.
Yeshua was most certainly not ang mo... please if you want to state a fact, get it right. He was Jewish. Actually, ang mo got plenty of religions... not just chirstianity...
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Something to do with groups that he was nail to death?
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I'm apalled people believe in evolution which was invented by a botak head who did not have much education in science. Yes, Darwin did not have a proper education in science. He dropped out of school after studying biology for only 2 years. The idea was also stolen from somebody else anyway.
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Originally posted by Larryteo:
I'm apalled people believe in evolution which was invented by a botak head who did not have much education in science. Yes, Darwin did not have a proper education in science. He dropped out of school after studying biology for only 2 years. The idea was also stolen from somebody else anyway.
again, more of your nonsense
many of these scientists with none too-proud-background become great men of their fieldand their findings/invention continually studied and looked at by learned men of later period
i am shocked there are people in our modern age with such myopic understanding and lack of appreciation of things and people around them
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“Human beings are in a constant state of sleep (i.e negligence) and they only become truly conscious once they die.” Sayyidina Ali bin Abi Talib ra ( A great Muslim leader)
And so... that is why Muslims are constantly reminded to collect good deeds while on Earth. So to prepare them for the life hereafter that is forever.
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
In hell, the notion of time and space is irrelevant. And they definately are conscious and suffer. But if they know about the Final Final judgement, they should have a ray of hope when the time comes.
Well, they may not see heaven, but the plane between heaven n hell. To decide whether they go hell or stay at the Garden and await final judgement.
May I know whether do all the Christians have the same understanding as you ? If you don't mind, can reveal whether you are Catholic or Christians (which denomination?) One last question, may be you answered before but I did not read them. Do you believe all Christians go to heaven or only good Christians go to heaven ? What about non Christians ?Just curious because your understanding is quite different from other Christians.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
May I know whether do all the Christians have the same understanding as you ? If you don't mind, can reveal whether you are Catholic or Christians (which denomination?) One last question, may be you answered before but I did not read them. Do you believe all Christians go to heaven or only good Christians go to heaven ? What about non Christians ?Just curious because your understanding is quite different from other Christians.
Well, i cant say whether all the Christians have the same understanding as me. I am Methodist btw. Because i studied electrotechnology and its logic and science, and doing law, so maybe that influenced the way i digest the interpretation of the Bible and also the way Methodist Christians preaches and understands Jesus. But there is a core belief in all Christianity and that is, we must spread the word of Jesus to those that dont have the opportunity to, spread the word to everyone no matter how far the place, how deep the jungle is, how unpassable the terrain is.
The Bible has stated, that as long as u truly believe in Jesus, you will go into heaven. But to believe in Jesus, you must live his way, Because its only logical that once u believe and understand Jesus and the Bible, you will naturally live out the Love , Compassion and all that he preaches.
He did also warn that those that believe him and continuely knowing what u are doing is wrong and against the teachings of the bible, are worse then non-believers, and the fate.. is eternal damnation. Hence u must ask for forgiveness. But asking for forgiveness doesnt mean, u pray for forgiveness, n bwam.. u go and repeat the offence. Even in the court of law, repeated offenders are normall dealt with harshly. And as always, the intention like the court of law on this earth, ur Mens Rea and Actus Reus have to be proved to be found guilty. But imagine the court of heavens, with God as the judge, n u aint got no lawyers to represent you, you represent yourself, and he has a book about all your past transgressions, try arguing ur way or justifying ur actions. He is after all. going to be Judge, Jury and Executioner.
And in answering about non-believers, if they non-believers were given the opportunity to believe, and they did not, they will go to hell. Because they refused to believe, and doesnt even give it a go to try to believe, so its only logical, that you will go to hell. Because the opportunity was presented to you and u refused to take it. And as for those that have no chance whatsoever in knowing about His words, u will go to hell too. But, as God is compassionate, you will be judged, like the other christians and non-believers alike, who have yet to go to heaven the final judgement to determine thier ultimate fate.
Hope that answers your question.
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Atheists always say christians are fools, idiots, superstitious and narrow-minded. However, given the way those atheists always attack christianity like an enemy even when nothing has anything to do with them, it is actually very ironic. Atheists always have this gay fetish of interrupting and hijacking a christian-themed threat and then start a flamewar. More than that, they will then start kicking people who has the faith and then go back to the beginning and arguing with believers over the existence of the creator. This thread is a very good example. From the discussion of where people go after they die to suddenly the existence of God.
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Regarding the bible contradictions, most of them are in this example:
Adam says jacob is his son, but then in another page he says jacob is not his son. However, as people find out, jacob is actually adam's adopted son. The skeptic then says there is a huge contradiction even when there is none.
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I suppose people are disillusioned with the concept of god and questioned god's existence. so many religions all advocated their god and insist their religion is the only true religion. luckily there is a new religion called science and it helped dispel so many myths of so many religions. at least we now know that earthquakes are not acts of gods, but movement of tectonic plates.
the concept of god prospered when science and technology were not that advanced, but science and technology have finally arrived in the 20th century.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
I suppose people are disillusioned with the concept of god and questioned god's existence. so many religions all advocated their god and insist their religion is the only true religion. luckily there is a new religion called science and it helped dispel so many myths of so many religions. at least we now know that earthquakes are not acts of gods, but movement of tectonic plates.
the concept of god prospered when science and technology were not that advanced, but science and technology have finally arrived in the 20th century.
Hello.
Countries affected by the tsunami and suffered more casualties are Thailand, Burma and Sri Lanka.
Do you believe karma is scientific?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Hello.
Countries affected by the tsunami and suffered more casualties are Thailand, Burma and Sri Lanka.
Do you believe karma is scientific?
Wow, someone is talking about karma. Can't believe it!
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Wow, someone is talking about karma. Can't believe it!
Yes, believe it. I'm cominig over to your turf soon to talk about about Buddhism's natural phenomenon known as halo.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Hello.
Countries affected by the tsunami and suffered more casualties are Thailand, Burma and Sri Lanka.
Do you believe karma is scientific?
You missed out Indonesia which got the worst hit and what is scientific karma? I would have thought a christian like you could never believe in Karma. -
Originally posted by Short Ninja:
You missed out Indonesia which got the worst hit and what is scientific karma? I would have thought a christian like you could never believe in Karma.So bad !
167,000 Indonesians died or were missing in the tsunami. What do you call that in Islam?
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Now I think I find out the answer why chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
Something like hundreds hundreds year ago, jesus is ang mo right? Ang mo only got 1 religion, that is christians. So, maybe jesus ever told the pple, be my man and I bring u to heaven.
This cannot apply to the moderm world liao. There are hindu, buddhist, taoists, islam....and it cannot apply by saying all chris go heaven while non chris go hell.
If my answer is true, then the statement cannot be stand and shld be ban.
Jesus wasnt an ang mor he never had blue eyes or looked like Barry Gibb (Bee Gees) like many christians were led to believe.Tell me what race were and still lving in the part where he was born? Today you find many ang mor in Israel because they are the descendants of Europeans and Russians Jews,from the tribes who went there during the Exodus.Nobody wants to know the fact that he was very likely around a 1.64m and had a dark skin.Yes, he was very much little bangla looking man. -
Originally posted by googoomuck:
So bad !
167,000 Indonesians died or were missing in the tsunami. What do you call that in Islam?
Sure I believe in Karma and therefore I cant possibly be a Christian,Jew nor Muslim.And one more thing,natural disasters can happen anywhere and anytime it does not discriminate unlike people,unlike you for example. -
Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Sure I believe in Karma and therefore I cant possibly be a Christian,Jew nor Muslim.And one more thing,natural disasters can happen anywhere and anytime it does not discriminate unlike people,unlike you for example.You believe in karma? Don't bluff lah.
You brought out the castatrophe in Indonesia for what? I wasn't going to comment on your religion until you brought the matter up.
You know what your problem is? You have an identity crisis.
You are not a Christian or a Jew. You have no problem when people jabbed at Christians here.
You feel like you get jabbed when people talk about Karma. You feel like you get jabbed when people talked about 'submission'.
You are not a muslim or a buddhist but you are a bit of both.