Originally posted by likeyou:Even for me, I will not be going to heaven when I die.
Why? Sin I have committed when I am in this world. Lots of sins.....you never know. That is why we need to do good deeds to lessen the hell visits.
Unlike chris, all chris go heaven. Means regardless of what they do in their life?
I doubt the god is blind to their evildoings. That is why some christians end up in hell.
I have a christian friend who was bullied by fellow christians most of the time. He said that if all these nasty christians go to heaven he does not want to go heaven.
I also have a old friend (he is christians so does his family), but I was surprised to hear that he dont like the teaching from the pastors.
Originally posted by likeyou:I also have a old friend (he is christians so does his family), but I was surprised to hear that he dont like the teaching from the pastors.
Not all pastors have right teachings.
lol.. lessen hell visist ? I thought u dont believe in heaven or hell...
Let me remind u that not ALL christians go to heaven. there is the Final Final of the Final Judgement where ALL WILL BE JUDGED. Believers and non-believers alike.
If you think christians that continue to do evil acts knowing and intentionally hiding behind their faith will automatically go to heaven, .. trust me.. the bible has said it, those who commit it, will get double the punishment. The Almighty is merciful and compassionate, it doesnt mean He is stupid.
Its like criminal cases, to prove your ultimate guilt, your Mens Rea (intention) combines with ur Actus Reus (Action) = Guilty even concurrently. And its always hard to prove the Mens Rea. And trust me.. to the Almighty.. oh he knows... no amount of lawyerly skills is going to save you from trying to argue your way out of it.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:lol.. lessen hell visist ? I thought u dont believe in heaven or hell...
Let me remind u that not ALL christians go to heaven. there is the Final Final of the Final Judgement where ALL WILL BE JUDGED. Believers and non-believers alike.
If you think christians that continue to do evil acts knowing and intentionally hiding behind their faith will automatically go to heaven, .. trust me.. the bible has said it, those who commit it, will get double the punishment. The Almighty is merciful and compassionate, it doesnt mean He is stupid.
Its like criminal cases, to prove your ultimate guilt, your Mens Rea (intention) combines with ur Actus Reus (Action) = Guilty even concurrently. And its always hard to prove the Mens Rea. And trust me.. to the Almighty.. oh he knows... no amount of lawyerly skills is going to save you from trying to argue your way out of it.
i agree with you.
Would you enlighten me on this - when jesus was crucified on the cross, he told the two criminals next to him that they will be with him in paradise. What did he mean by that?
Then how come some say All chirs go to heaven and non chris go to hell?
Thanks for your input BADZ.
Not all will think like you do.
Originally posted by likeyou:Then how come some say All chirs go to heaven and non chris go to hell?
I don't think all christians go heaven. Like buddhists, not all will be reborn after death. Think those who said all christians go heaven don't know their faith well and some of these use this to sell their religion. They don't know by doing so this cause more harm than anything.
Originally posted by Fantagf:i agree with you.
Would you enlighten me on this - when jesus was crucified on the cross, he told the two criminals next to him that they will be with him in paradise. What did he mean by that?
Actually he told one only. One of the criminal laughed at Jesus saying if u are God's son, why not u save urself. While the other convict told the other convict that Jesus was innocent, and they are crucified because they were guilty of the crimes. N he asked Jesus will he accept his soul when he dies ?
Jesus replied to him saying that tonite, u will be with me in the Garden.
Agreed with Fan.
Their action and their mind and heart will determine where they go to regardless of you are a faithful chris or non chris.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Actually he told one only. One of the criminal laughed at Jesus saying if u are God's son, why not u save urself. While the other convict told the other convict that Jesus was innocent, and they are crucified because they were guilty of the crimes. N he asked Jesus will he accept his soul when he dies ?
Jesus replied to him saying that tonite, u will be with me in the Garden.
hello, you said different version. Jesus said to the criminals that they will be with him in paradise.
Tell me what is paradise? Is paradise the same as heaven?
Originally posted by likeyou:Then how come some say All chirs go to heaven and non chris go to hell?
Because that is a very general perception. And they are either only very shallow about the understanding, or just using the fear of death to try to pull u in. If this is the case, its the failure of thier group leaders in teaching them properly. Because to properly explain to u, it takes time, it takes great patience. Thats why when churches grow to big too fast, not all the flock understands the bible properly, hence, thier shallow interpretations reflects thier level of understanding and faith of the bible.
we do not need to go to heaven or hell in order to experience heavenly bliss or hell experiences.
we can experience it while on this very earth. example, when we are depressed or angry, are we not experience mental anguish, aka to that of hell experiences? when we strike lottery, or score high marks in an exam, or when your baby was born, arent you experiencing heavenly bliss as in good positive mental states of mind?
I think paradise is criminals heaven. But actually is a hell.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
hello, you said different version. Jesus said to the criminals that they will be with him in paradise.Tell me what is paradise? Is paradise the same as heaven?
Not to both criminals. To the one that accepted him. Heaven. Yes.
Originally posted by likeyou:I think paradise is criminals heaven. But actually is a hell.
hahahah, hilarious!
Agreed Ron.
So next time if a chris told me paradise, I can tell him its a criminals heaven.
Ha....
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Not to both criminals. To the one that accepted him. Heaven. Yes.
confusing. my christian friend told me paradise is not heaven but a place to hold christians while the christians wait to be judged.
OMG!!!
Originally posted by Rooney9:we do not need to go to heaven or hell in order to experience heavenly bliss or hell experiences.
we can experience it while on this very earth. example, when we are depressed or angry, are we not experience mental anguish, aka to that of hell experiences? when we strike lottery, or score high marks in an exam, or when your baby was born, arent you experiencing heavenly bliss as in good positive mental states of mind?
lol.. i might as well pop ecstacy every single day right ?
But no. I dont even know what it feels like. Imagine a place where u feel no sorrow, pain and all the negative. All u feel is..24/7 of pure happiness. If that is ur interpretation of heaven, then... thats ur heaven.
I did wonder to myself.. will the be KFC in heaven ? Damn i really like KFC.. n eating it gives me great pleasure. But no.. i dont think so too. sigh.. maybe ? i dont know.
I dont think we can really know until we are there.
Ok ok...
Hell = paradise = heaven
Hell for all evil and wicked pple
Paradise for crinimals
Heaven for pple who have a kind and good heart.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
confusing. my christian friend told me paradise is not heaven but a place to hold christians while the christians wait to be judged.OMG!!!
o.k o.k o.k.. there IS a paradise where it holds the souls.Thats where we await the FINAL FINAL judgement. But for the case of the criminal .. hey, he riding the wave with Jesus man. He is going straight up to the Presidential Suite.
"lol.. i might as well pop ecstacy every single day right ?
But no. I dont even know what it feels like. Imagine a place where u feel no sorrow, pain and all the negative. All u feel is..24/7 of pure happiness. If that is ur interpretation of heaven, then... thats ur heaven.
I did wonder to myself.. will the be KFC in heaven ? Damn i really like KFC.. n eating it gives me great pleasure. But no.. i dont think so too. sigh.. maybe ? i dont know.
I dont think we can really know until we are there."
Than I would rather be a human after death, to experience happiness, sorrow, joy and sad.
Originally posted by likeyou:Ok ok...
Hell = paradise = heaven
Hell for all evil and wicked pple
Paradise for crinimals
Heaven for pple who have a kind and good heart.
confusing. Can be simple or not?
".k o.k o.k.. there IS a paradise where it holds the souls.Thats where we await the FINAL FINAL judgement. But for the case of the criminal .. hey, he riding the wave with Jesus man. He is going straight up to the Presidential Suite."
Ha..........riding on jesus back? And jump into presidential suite? Ha...