What happen to the Soul when a Person is Death
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So what happen to the Soul when the Person is Death.
Please indicate which religion or Which denomination of Church perspective are you stating from? (There are differences among christian believes or perspective on this topics)
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I'm a Catholic But my view doesn't quite conform to the official Roman Catholic Church doctrine since I've had something just call it an experience.
I studied the bible and came to the same conclusion with what I had been given.
I don't know what would happen immediately but once a soul descended to the world of the dead. Its condition would be(until being resurrected):
He or she no longer aware of himself or herself
He or she no longer remember God
He or she not able to register the passage of time at all
I wrote a simple research based on the bible on this I would be glad to share it with anyone interested. Just PM me your email and I'll send the doc over.
People usually don't appreciate me telling them this though I sincerely believe what I know to be the truth. And what I wrote to you in this is considered a secret. But it's so far fetched from the human mind and their ability to prove it scientifically that it's usually discarded as nonsense. -
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
I'm a Catholic But my view doesn't quite conform to the official Roman Catholic Church doctrine since I've had something just call it an experience.
I studied the bible and came to the same conclusion with what I had been given.
I don't know what would happen immediately but once a soul descended to the world of the dead. Its condition would be(until being resurrected):
He or she no longer aware of himself or herself
He or she no longer remember God
He or she not able to register the passage of time at all
I wrote a simple research based on the bible on this I would be glad to share it with anyone interested. Just PM me your email and I'll send the doc over.
Har no longer remember God?Are u Sure?
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i don't know why. but i got a feeling when u die u just die, untill the day the last trumpet is sounded, all will rise again..
and judgement will come to judge who is worthy to be in the new jerusalem
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
Har no longer remember God?Are u Sure?
100% positive
Don't be afraid while the dead no longer remember Him, God still remembers everyone of them. God is still with everyone of them just that the dead won't know anything any longer.
Unless the soul is resurrected but that will only come at the end of time where every soul will be waken up to be judged or the earliest at Christ second coming. Unless for some reason the person is quite special in the eyes of God such as Christ, Moses, Virgin Mary and the 12 disciples imo. I believe they all missed the sleep of death.
I don't know how many that God raise early than His second coming but as I read the bible I found from the bible that the vast majority including His chosen ones and the prophets must all wait until Christ second coming. -
Originally posted by Shao Wei:
i don't know why. but i got a feeling when u die u just die, untill the day the last trumpet is sounded, all will rise again..
and judgement will come to judge who is worthy to be in the new jerusalem
That is doctorine. Pls state your church denomination? thanks.Edit: further to ADD if you do not belong to any church sometime it is just part of a unaware influence from TV or movies.
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A man should be able to say he has done his best form a conception of life after death, or to create some image of it – even if he must confess his failure. Not to have done so is a vital loss. (Jung)
I will used some of Jung observation as a base to start and progressively move to other teaching of understanding. It is true that I too find that Catholism provide inadequate information on the topics of the soul. Comtemporary christian provide no further help in this topics.
A look at another observation from Jung. That depict a characteristics of soul.
"People have the idea of dead know far more than we, for Christian doctrine teaches that in the hereafter we shall see “face to face” Apparently, however, the souls of the dead “know” only what they knew at the moment of death and nothing beyond that. Hence their endeavor to penetrate into life in order to share in the knowledge of men.
It seemed to me as if they were dependent on the living for receiving answer to their questions, that is, on those who have survived them and exist in a world of change" (JUNG)
He observed that as you pass on your soul would not be able to evolve or conclude new understanding by themselves. It is thru other "psyche" coordination that they learned.
I shall continue till the next time.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
I'm a Catholic But my view doesn't quite conform to the official Roman Catholic Church doctrine since I've had something just call it an experience.
I studied the bible and came to the same conclusion with what I had been given.
I don't know what would happen immediately but once a soul descended to the world of the dead. Its condition would be(until being resurrected):
He or she no longer aware of himself or herself
He or she no longer remember God
He or she not able to register the passage of time at all
I wrote a simple research based on the bible on this I would be glad to share it with anyone interested. Just PM me your email and I'll send the doc over.
People usually don't appreciate me telling them this though I sincerely believe what I know to be the truth. And what I wrote to you in this is considered a secret. But it's so far fetched from the human mind and their ability to prove it scientifically that it's usually discarded as nonsense.Becareful of subjective interpretation.
"You" as the "observed" are being subjected to all human condition. As such it is difficult to present without being question.
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Originally posted by Shao Wei:
i don't know why. but i got a feeling when u die u just die, untill the day the last trumpet is sounded, all will rise again..
and judgement will come to judge who is worthy to be in the new jerusalem
I must agree with you after reading through the bible pertaining to resurrection and Christ second coming and the end time and the final judgment. -
The general 3 views of christians position.
The Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and some evangelical Christians hold to the soul sleep view. Lutherans, Catholics, and most Protestants hold to the soul leaving the body view.
The proponents of the soul sleep position have two premises. First, they hold that at death the soul does not leave the body; both soul and body sleep until the Day of Christ’s return. Second, they teach that the soul has no consciousness as it sleeps; it is aware of nothing. What is the basis for these two premises? They base their argument primarily on passages that speak of death as sleep (or unconsciousness) and passages that speak of bodies awakening on the Last Day
The proponents of soul leaving the body…both Christian and non-Christian leave the body and go to another place. The souls of the unrighteous (unbelievers) go to a place of punishment until the Last Day. The souls of the righteous (believers) go to be with the Lord in Paradise.
Roman Catholics position….In their view purgatory is the place where the souls of those who did not fully satisfy all temporal punishment due them on earth, must be purged and refined by fire (by their definition all Christians, except the great saints, will spend time in purgatory). This agonizing fire may last for thousands of years until they are finally purified and worthy of heaven.
So when we used the world REST IN PEACE, I presumed it came from soul sleep premises. And If you are Protestant/Lutherans you are happy as u will be judge. While Catholics will be in purgatory to be “refined” by fire.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Becareful of subjective interpretation.
"You" as the "observed" are being subjected to all human condition. As such it is difficult to present without being question.
I'm merely giving you a testimony. I'm telling you a secret that is not man's. Whether you accept it or not is your own business. I leave the acceptance with you. I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. I'm testifying what had been revealed and to my surprise it's not contradictory to the bible and I'm much too stupid to realize this by myself, honest. Try reading the bible without ever learning of any church doctrine. It's the bible and you and you'll learn the same. And it's not me who you or anyone should question but my source o that knowledge. Then again God is personal.
I'm not advising anyone to go to be the member of either Jehovah witness or 7th day Adventist either. Really
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
I'm merely giving you a testimony. I'm telling you a secret that is not man's. Whether you accept it or not is your own business. I leave the acceptance with you. I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. I'm testifying what had been revealed and to my surprise it's not contradictory to the bible and I'm much too stupid to realize this by myself, honest. Try reading the bible without ever learning of any church doctrine. It's the bible and you and you'll learn the same. And it's not me who you or anyone should question but my source o that knowledge. Then again God is personal.
I'm not advising anyone to go to be the member of either Jehovah witness or 7th day Adventist either. ReallyI understand your testimony and i am not questioning your faith in relating to testimony or anything....as I have no intention to go into the "faith" topics.
I state the various position so we are clear where the origin on the sources of our believe.
What we are doing here are pure observations. In any case any observation is subjected to human condition n experience.
I find it difficult to draw conclusion from personal experience because at end of the day it is still only 1 personal experience. Is as good as saying when you do experiement you have to repeat to draw conclusion.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
I understand your testimony and i am not questioning your faith in relating to testimony or anything....as I have no intention to go into the "faith" topics.
I state the various position so we are clear where the origin on the sources of our believe.
What we are doing here are pure observations. In any case any observation is subjected to human condition n experience.
I find it difficult to draw conclusion from personal experience because at end of the day it is still only 1 personal experience. Is as good as saying when you do experiement you have to repeat to draw conclusion.
It was not a personal experience that led to my knowledge on the world of the death. It was a revelation of sort I don't know what else to call it. I'm suggesting everyone who professed himself or herself as a Christian to read the bible and to look for its meaning without predefined ideas and without fear of having to conform to any doctrine. Just read the bible itself. The word of God in itself is telling us every believer that resurrection will only come and promised at the end of time. Jesus made us a promise to raise all of us: AT the end of time. Just be honest, be curious go and read the bible.
If you found some parts are a bit unclear DO NOT assume that you know its meaning. Leave it to that. If you assume a verse too much or take it without its context you are abusing God's words. DO NOT ASSUME that you know anything when reading the bible. Be like a child who has never known anything. -
Im pentecostal christian
Im not really sure what happens,
Either we float right away out of our bodies and a dead loved one greets us ,
Or we stay dead until Judgment day when Jesus comes back and God raises the dead and we have new bodies but same soul and either way we face judgment day.
Or maybe our soul wonders lost I have no idea but I know eventually theres a judjment day.
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maye you go to heaven and play the golden PSP to control gods army against satan
okay just kidding... -
The point is not so much of defending your faith...or who is right or wrong. Or to conclude that a personal experience of a spritual encounter is a sacred gift to let you learned something? Well is Not. The fact that we all have soul...it is how much you are in tune with your soul. And try to understand the process.
If you look at christian perspective they couldn't agreed on the detail but only to conclude that Christ 2nd coming. Other than Keeping the "Words" and stayed "Faithful" Than will know what happen....well there is a long way to go before the 2nd coming.
What about in Sg where bodies are cremated. The sleep theory is not relevant. So one is force to conclude that you must be swiped up to kingdom of heaven after life ended.
What happen if you are a budhist or engage in anncestor worshipped?
Other than "fear" how much do we really understand?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
The point is not so much of defending your faith...or who is right or wrong. Or to conclude that a personal experience of a spritual encounter is a sacred gift to let you learned something? Well is Not. The fact that we all have soul...it is how much you are in tune with your soul. And try to understand the process.
If you look at christian perspective they couldn't agreed on the detail but only to conclude that Christ 2nd coming. Other than Keeping the "Words" and stayed "Faithful" Than will know what happen....well there is a long way to go before the 2nd coming.
What about in Sg where bodies are cremated. The sleep theory is not relevant. So one is force to conclude that you must be swiped up to kingdom of heaven after life ended.
What happen if you are a budhist or engage in anncestor worshipped?
Other than "fear" how much do we really understand?
There's a lot misses in saying that the dead are asleep in their grave with regard to the Jehovah witness or the 7th day adventist doctrine. Tjhere are a lot of mistakes in saying that the soul of the dead is in the body sleeping. The body decay and it will be no more. When Jesus said that Lazarus was now asleep he didn't mean Lazarus body was now asleep. Jesus meant Lazarus was asleep.
I used to want that my body be buried when I died but not anymore. Now I would rather to have my body cremated. Won't be needing this body once I died.
My advise is to read the bible without preconceived ideas. Read it like a child read it. Do not assume anything. -
this is scary. loss of consciousness after death. i hate losing consciousness. but at least we will be judged and awoken rather than having eternal nothingness.
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Larry, we often do many things without being fully conscious or aware too. Is your fear a fear of loss of control? Actually how much control do we have in our lives? Pretty much limited to our body and minds and physical interactions with the world. Even then we are again further limited by natural forces and sicknesses that always challenge even our control over our bodies and minds.
Is it not better to let go and focus on the most worthy goals in life? Of course figuring out those goals are also an important step. It is worthwhile to think about such questions to help on our spiritual paths. Find that faith and discover the gentle wisdom that is hidden from our eyes by our very own folllies. I look forward to hearing more about the hidden treasures you unearth in time to come. Good journey!
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Oh the soul will go to that what River ???/
Then Moses will lead the soul to heaven .... join with which King ???? Abraham ? Isaac ? and the rest of God's servant .
And finally drink kopi with Jesus Christ . And watch EPL in heaven .
Eat kacang puteh and drink teh tarik in heaven's kopi tiam , hahahahah
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when my dad's passed away .... http://www.lighthouse.org.sg/
Thanks Pastor Clarence . He said my dad will go to Heaven , the Garden of what ????/
Soul will be with Jesus Christ forever .
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these are all christian view....any others?
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Arapa ..... Chinese soul , will come back after the 7th day of the death . They will come back to see the very last time their loves one .
For chinese , 49th day will be the confirmed days their soul were far far away liao .
For Chinese , especially Taoist , they believe soul can be recall back ..... so they get those sai-gong recall the soul back .
I dunno , some say Big Second Ah Peh jalan , some say others .....
Am i confused with spirits and souls ?????
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For some Taoist , those Sai Gongs will chant and lead the soul into their "HOME" , where they should belong .....
They believe if no chanting , the soul will be a lost soul . Like lost items not claimed .
Like those Aeroplane crash , their family will get those Sai gongs to search their soul back , lead them and leave the souls where they should belong .
From there , they R.I.P
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Well what about Buddhist perspective?