Do you take God for granted?

• Fantagf

  4 Sep 09, 00:35

  Originally posted by Shao Wei:

  i nv place myself high.... i know im young but God love to use young ppl!

  
  I don't think you get what i mean.  Forget it.  

• Fantagf

  4 Sep 09, 00:37

  Originally posted by Shao Wei:

  of cos la. lol

  
  I doubt you are being sacarstic

• Shao Wei

  4 Sep 09, 00:40

  Originally posted by Fantagf:

  
  I doubt you are being sacarstic

  thats for you to find out

• HyperionDCZ

  4 Sep 09, 00:40

  Originally posted by Shao Wei:

  of cos la. lol

  what was the intention of your sarcasm?

• HyperionDCZ

  4 Sep 09, 00:41

  Originally posted by Fantagf:

  
  I doubt you are being sacarstic

  agreed. I think its just a convenient way out because SPDCP laid the groundwork

• SPDCP

  4 Sep 09, 00:42

  I think many of us have gone through too much of life to have faith in God to turn all things for our good. 

  I do not know the context of the pastor, who said it and why, but if i were to make a guess, it was aimed at christians telling people they would not make it cos they have not followed the "right methods"..    By placing themselves higher than the others who have failed in some areas, they are doing no service to the Kingdom.

  God says " I will be their God, and they shall be My people!" 

  If you cannot rely on God to make ALL things good, then He is God for what?

  Dont even use the phrase "God helps those who helps themselves" since Isaiah 25:4 declares, "For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat..."

  God helps those who cannot help themselves... a struggling man will cause both rescuer and victim to drown...    Let go, and Let God...

• Shao Wei

  4 Sep 09, 00:44

  Originally posted by SPDCP:

  I think many of us have gone through too much of life to have faith in God to turn all things for our good. 

  I do not know the context of the pastor, who said it and why, but if i were to make a guess, it was aimed at christians telling people they would not make it cos they have not followed the "right methods"..    By placing themselves higher than the others who have failed in some areas, they are doing no service to the Kingdom.

  God says " I will be their God, and they shall be My people!" 

  If you cannot rely on God to make ALL things good, then He is God for what?

  Dont even use the phrase "God helps those who helps themselves" since Isaiah 25:4 declares, "For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat..."

  God helps those who cannot help themselves... a struggling man will cause both rescuer and victim to drown...    Let go, and Let God...

  well said

• HyperionDCZ

  4 Sep 09, 00:45

  Originally posted by Shao Wei:

  well said

  i dont mean to be hounding you for an answer, but could you satisfy my curiousity with regard to the intention of your sarcasm? What were you being sarcastic about and for what purpose

• Shao Wei

  4 Sep 09, 00:48

  Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:

  i dont mean to be hounding you for an answer, but could you satisfy my curiousity with regard to the intention of your sarcasm? What were you being sarcastic about and for what purpose

  i say god send his only son to die for him, he say its a fairy tale

   

  so being in the "fairytale"

  my life is so much better with Jesus..

  get it? =)

• SPDCP

  4 Sep 09, 00:51

  Haha..  he was saying that IF Christianity is a fairy tale, he would rather be living in a fairy tale than outside..   But since its not a fairy tale, deal with it! 

  Of course, i might appear to be putting words into his mouth, but all this is simply my interpretation of the situation...     If ever I am wrong, do correct me..  If it looks like i'm helping him get out of a sticky situation, then so be it..  i dont mind really..

   

   

  *Edit*

  LOL!!   i edited my last post after seeing alot of responses then thought it was a bit late..  scared confuse ppl...     now it becomes relevant..  nvm i change it back..     HAHA! 

   

  Anyway, looks like its clear now that i didnt just "create" a way out ..  haha...  very Qara(קר×� ) timing..

   

• HyperionDCZ

  4 Sep 09, 00:56

  Originally posted by Shao Wei:

  i say god send his only son to die for him, he say its a fairy tale

   

  so being in the "fairytale"

  my life is so much better with Jesus..

  get it? =)

  mm wrong answer. You're being sarcastic about the 'fairy tale' part, which is exactly what i expected. Your argument against the 'fairytale' label is that your 'life is so much better'. This justification for christianity with "life is so much better" is exactly what im pointing out. Masses taken in by the whole "life is good" notion.

  SPDCP just for your note, the sarcasm was irrelevant. =)

  And Fantagf, good call.

• HyperionDCZ

  4 Sep 09, 00:59

  Originally posted by SPDCP:

  Haha..  he was saying that IF Christianity is a fairy tale, he would rather be living in a fairy tale than outside..   But since its not a fairy tale, deal with it!

   

  
  Thats what im pointing out. justifying christianity with "i'd rather do it because it makes me feel good".
• SPDCP

  4 Sep 09, 01:07

  I myself first accepted Christ cos only He could make my life better...  In fact, that is the Gospel!! 

  "Come all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest." - Matthew 11:28 

  Is that a "life is good" notion? Jesus seems to be in favor of it..  Lets put aside fairy tale for now, since we have determined that christianity is NOT a fairy tale, but a relationship with God... 

  I wouldnt use the word "taken in", since you normally use that word for something that doesnt come out with results to show.. You can be taken in with Ponzi schemes, MLMs, or some crafty deals, but not the Word of Christ..

  Now, I dont follow Christ cos i feel good, but because it WORKS...  Prayer works!  Tithing Works! Fellowship Works! Even debating on a forum ... it Works!!

  We dont press the "on" switch on a computer to feel good, but because it works..    feeling good is just a side effect or a "fruit", a end result, not a motivation...

   

• Shao Wei

  4 Sep 09, 08:13

  Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:

  mm wrong answer. You're being sarcastic about the 'fairy tale' part, which is exactly what i expected. Your argument against the 'fairytale' label is that your 'life is so much better'. This justification for christianity with "life is so much better" is exactly what im pointing out. Masses taken in by the whole "life is good" notion.

  SPDCP just for your note, the sarcasm was irrelevant. =)

  And Fantagf, good call.

  then wad.. you want to believe in jesus so that he can make your life worse?

  no right??

• domonkassyu

  4 Sep 09, 12:41

  Originally posted by automator:

  
  That is a fairy tale

  suffiecient records point to the existence of JC being a real person..

• domonkassyu

  4 Sep 09, 12:44

  Originally posted by Fantagf:

  
  Probably he needs to hit the rock bottom to be realistic, down to earth.

  I have met christians who are down to earth and that is encouraging but unfortunately christians like that are hard to come by.

  rock bottom followed by the people's elbow will be good..some people are "luckier" than others in the sense that they need not endure harship as much as others..but i guess let the vicious cycle end with us..let others prosper yet they can understand the joy of being God's servant..

• domonkassyu

  4 Sep 09, 12:46

  Originally posted by Shao Wei:

  i nv place myself high.... i know im young but God love to use young ppl!

  wrong..churches like chc love to use young people..God uses all people..

• domonkassyu

  4 Sep 09, 12:49

  Originally posted by SPDCP:

  I think many of us have gone through too much of life to have faith in God to turn all things for our good. 

  I do not know the context of the pastor, who said it and why, but if i were to make a guess, it was aimed at christians telling people they would not make it cos they have not followed the "right methods"..    By placing themselves higher than the others who have failed in some areas, they are doing no service to the Kingdom.

  God says " I will be their God, and they shall be My people!" 

  If you cannot rely on God to make ALL things good, then He is God for what?

  Dont even use the phrase "God helps those who helps themselves" since Isaiah 25:4 declares, "For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat..."

  God helps those who cannot help themselves... a struggling man will cause both rescuer and victim to drown...    Let go, and Let God...

  the undeserved loving kindness of God flows freely into all..for those who help themselves would actually mean those who understand that love and recipocrate back to God..

• domonkassyu

  4 Sep 09, 12:50

  Originally posted by SPDCP:

  Haha..  he was saying that IF Christianity is a fairy tale, he would rather be living in a fairy tale than outside..   But since its not a fairy tale, deal with it! 

  Of course, i might appear to be putting words into his mouth, but all this is simply my interpretation of the situation...     If ever I am wrong, do correct me..  If it looks like i'm helping him get out of a sticky situation, then so be it..  i dont mind really..

   

   

  *Edit*

  LOL!!   i edited my last post after seeing alot of responses then thought it was a bit late..  scared confuse ppl...     now it becomes relevant..  nvm i change it back..     HAHA! 

   

  Anyway, looks like its clear now that i didnt just "create" a way out ..  haha...  very Qara(קר×� ) timing..

   

  speaking of answers..i believe u still have some un answered qns in other posts to brey right?

• domonkassyu

  4 Sep 09, 12:53

  Originally posted by SPDCP:

  I myself first accepted Christ cos only He could make my life better...  In fact, that is the Gospel!! 

  "Come all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest." - Matthew 11:28 

  Is that a "life is good" notion? Jesus seems to be in favor of it..  Lets put aside fairy tale for now, since we have determined that christianity is NOT a fairy tale, but a relationship with God... 

  I wouldnt use the word "taken in", since you normally use that word for something that doesnt come out with results to show.. You can be taken in with Ponzi schemes, MLMs, or some crafty deals, but not the Word of Christ..

  Now, I dont follow Christ cos i feel good, but because it WORKS...  Prayer works!  Tithing Works! Fellowship Works! Even debating on a forum ... it Works!!

  We dont press the "on" switch on a computer to feel good, but because it works..    feeling good is just a side effect or a "fruit", a end result, not a motivation...

   

  it is only Jehovah/Yahweh through the hands of Jesus/Yeshua that can make people good..for it is written... only Jehovah/Yahweh is good.

  prayers do work..even when people think it doesnt..it actually is still working..just that people do not realize it yet.

• SPDCP

  4 Sep 09, 13:00

  understanding that love means being bold and coming to His throne and receving from Him...  What does a God who has everything need?   My answer is someone to share it with...  it can get lonely at the top...

  Too many of us are being Marthas and not enough Marys..  What did Jesus say? Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken from her. We serve God by making it easier for others to receive from Him. Thats the whole point of serving..

  So in a way, yes i agree with you..  I would put it this way : Help yourself to God's grace and Goodness!  If you can have the faith to help yourself to His resources, you truly understand His love and by doing so you make Him feel like God and this pleases Him greatly!

  This surely is a revelation! haha..

   

  *add on* hmm..  can remind me which ones? I got a few threads running haha..  SGforums is so fun!! Lots of smart ppl here to bounce ideas off...  except for the occasional troll...

• domonkassyu

  4 Sep 09, 13:11

  Originally posted by SPDCP:

  understanding that love means being bold and coming to His throne and receving from Him...  What does a God who has everything need?   My answer is someone to share it with...  it can get lonely at the top...

  Too many of us are being Marthas and not enough Marys..  What did Jesus say? Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken from her. We serve God by making it easier for others to receive from Him. Thats the whole point of serving..

  So in a way, yes i agree with you..  I would put it this way : Help yourself to God's grace and Goodness!  If you can have the faith to help yourself to His resources, you truly understand His love and by doing so you make Him feel like God and this pleases Him greatly!

  This surely is a revelation! haha..

   

  *add on* hmm..  can remind me which ones? I got a few threads running haha..  SGforums is so fun!! Lots of smart ppl here to bounce ideas off...  except for the occasional troll...

  thread titled true christians..well, God do not need to feel like God..he is God..lol..nor does he gets lonely..he had existed for infinity before he started to make the prehuman Jesus...cuz he wanna share the love..God is self sufficient..

• Rowena

  6 Sep 09, 10:49

  well at least i do take god 4 granted & i feel really guilty bout it....

  i was brought up in a really goog christian environment but as i stared growing up, iwent further and further away from god...i rarely attended churches services and then feeling guilty bout it,i started reading the bible as a way of hiding my guilt but e bible readin was a on & off thing....will god be angry with me if i don't attend church?i mean i do love jesus  but sometimes i'm jz so lazy to get up and go to church

• noahnoah

  6 Sep 09, 14:40

   

  i also wondering do God really exists

  in the first place

• Shao Wei

  6 Sep 09, 18:36

  Originally posted by domonkassyu:

  wrong..churches like chc love to use young people..God uses all people..

  chc also got old ppl wad.. got handicap got mentally disable also what..