Heaven and Earth..not green tea
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now people always say christians go to heaven when they die..they have st peter guarding the pearly gates much like er lang and his doggie does in taoism and cerberus in greek myths..heaven is a place of rewards and happyness for good christians..and they bask in God's love and give glory to him all day long..shiny and bright reflecting off pavement of gold which literally makes heaven a hotter place than the so called hell...
now my question is..if heaven was meant to be the dwelling place of humans when they die..why bother creating earth to hold humans?why not just make humans spirit creatures like angels so they can live in heaven straight away??
and why did God instruct the first pair to dominate earth and fill the earth with their offspring?even eden was created on earth...does not it seems obvious that God's original purpose was to let humans enjoy living on earth instead of going heaven??so much that he even gave them eternal life until humans screw that up..
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why don't you go ask god? call him up and make appointment to see him for this. I thot you make yourself a spokesman for god yet u ask this question.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
why don't you go ask god? call him up and make appointment to see him for this. I thot you make yourself a spokesman for god yet u ask this question.
again i thought it was obvious...didnt u see that i know why in the first place and the thread was more of a wake up call for others?
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then my question to you is, how do you know this physical realm we see and you call earth (or universe, or dimension, whatever) is not already heaven or hell?
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earth were meant to be heaven, but since they ate an apple. it turn into mix of hell and heaven
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Originally posted by ThunderFbolt:
then my question to you is, how do you know this physical realm we see and you call earth (or universe, or dimension, whatever) is not already heaven or hell?
if i were to base my answer on the bible..then i can say the earth we are in is not heaven or hell..life maybe hard..but aint no hell..life maybe happy but nv truly happy without end..
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Originally posted by Shao Wei:
earth were meant to be heaven, but since they ate an apple. it turn into mix of hell and heaven
haha..cute...
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
now people always say christians go to heaven when they die..they have st peter guarding the pearly gates much like er lang and his doggie does in taoism and cerberus in greek myths..heaven is a place of rewards and happyness for good christians..and they bask in God's love and give glory to him all day long..shiny and bright reflecting off pavement of gold which literally makes heaven a hotter place than the so called hell...
now my question is..if heaven was meant to be the dwelling place of humans when they die..why bother creating earth to hold humans?why not just make humans spirit creatures like angels so they can live in heaven straight away??
and why did God instruct the first pair to dominate earth and fill the earth with their offspring?even eden was created on earth...does not it seems obvious that God's original purpose was to let humans enjoy living on earth instead of going heaven??so much that he even gave them eternal life until humans screw that up..
Behold my true power!
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First according to the bible there was no death. Adam and Eve lived in Eden, they conversed with God on even daily basis. Though Men didn't know evil and good they were going to live forever.
Satan who despises Adam and Eve wanted to destroy mankind. Through deceit it fooled Eve and Adam to break God's commandment thus sinned. And through sin death was created for the wage of sins is death. Cast out of Eden and now cursed to live with their own hands, the descendants of Adam and Eve struggle in life only to die in the end. Death was their only end. That is they cease to live and cease to enjoy life. All men died without hope, they fell into nothingness deprived of the blessings of life.
Seeing the hopelessness of men, God decided to offer mankind salvation, a way out of the misery and hopelessness of death. God wanted to break His own commandment God wanted to forever vanguish death that has taken its toll on every human since the day of Adam and Eve. God wanted to restore mankind to grace and to give them LIFE. Not just a life but THE LIFE. This is where Jesus is meant. Jesus is to restore mankind to its grace in the eyes of God thus to be saved and freed from the doom of death and the impending punishment.
God never wanted death to prevail. He made His plans known through His prophets that there will be judgment after death. That there will be an end to death. God offered THE LIFE to those who honor Him in life and to those who believed in Christ. So that everyone who believed in God and honor Him in their life could hope that not even death would deprive them of the good things that have been promised to those who honor God. The dead In Christ could rest and be assured of their salvation even after they died. Not only God offers THE LIFE but He will put His chosen people in charge over powers. That God will give power to rule with Christ to anyone He chooses. God will even grant some people THE LIFE so that they may escape the bondage of death earlier, much earlier so that they could enjoy life as soon as possible. So that Christ died so some would be raised just like Him. In fact Christ died so that all will be raised and restored to life and grace just like Him
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"now my question is..if heaven was meant to be the dwelling place of humans when they die..why bother creating earth to hold humans?why not just make humans spirit creatures like angels so they can live in heaven straight away??"
You were an angel, you have died, and you were put in heaven straight away. This here is heaven, stupid. And it is spoilt by angels who are not qualified to be in heavean, because they came in straight away, like you said.
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i think the bible say heaven's capacity is 100,000
i wonder where all those extra christians would go
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
now people always say christians go to heaven when they die..they have st peter guarding the pearly gates much like er lang and his doggie does in taoism and cerberus in greek myths..heaven is a place of rewards and happyness for good christians..and they bask in God's love and give glory to him all day long..shiny and bright reflecting off pavement of gold which literally makes heaven a hotter place than the so called hell...
now my question is..if heaven was meant to be the dwelling place of humans when they die..why bother creating earth to hold humans?why not just make humans spirit creatures like angels so they can live in heaven straight away??
and why did God instruct the first pair to dominate earth and fill the earth with their offspring?even eden was created on earth...does not it seems obvious that God's original purpose was to let humans enjoy living on earth instead of going heaven??so much that he even gave them eternal life until humans screw that up..
where did you get this from NCC pastor mark; the hokkien pastor targeting elderly for their money in their pocket one is it?...lol
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my question for the believer if they so call believe in there is such a better place call heaven after dead why don't they go and jump off from the 40 or 73 floor and then came back to say there is a n heaven or better to be after dead.
1st ,their organ can be donate to the needy people.
2nd, it will show that there is a better place after dead.
3rd, who know they don't dead after jumping down from the 40 or 73 floor. as their ominpotent GOD is a miracle GOD.
4th,make sure your entire saving or CPF put my name.
Lastly, it is not a sin if they are dead their organ can be donated to the needy people and it eliminated the illegal way of purchase organ from the poor country .
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Originally posted by PedoBear:
i think the bible say heaven's capacity is 100,000
i wonder where all those extra christians would go
maybe hell lor.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Behold my true power!
behold my true form and despair...as in the original SotN
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Originally posted by mancha:
"now my question is..if heaven was meant to be the dwelling place of humans when they die..why bother creating earth to hold humans?why not just make humans spirit creatures like angels so they can live in heaven straight away??"
You were an angel, you have died, and you were put in heaven straight away. This here is heaven, stupid. And it is spoilt by angels who are not qualified to be in heavean, because they came in straight away, like you said.
???????come again?????????pretty good joke to make my day though..thanks
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Why so complicated ah?
Dead mean dead .. Dun talk about afterlife.
Dun tell mi the fact that if u are christian u go to heaven.
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Originally posted by PedoBear:
i think the bible say heaven's capacity is 100,000
i wonder where all those extra christians would go
eh??you sure bo??the nearest figure to that i found was 144k in the book of revelation..the other "xtra" christians is my point..stays on earth..
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Originally posted by Joolead:
where did you get this from NCC pastor mark; the hokkien pastor targeting elderly for their money in their pocket one is it?...lol
sorry for my ignorance..but wtf is NCC pastor mark??i got my points frm the bible lor..i would like to ask the same questions you asked too..but they cant answer you because they cant be right..and jump down from so high still can donate what organs??
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Why so complicated ah?
Dead mean dead .. Dun talk about afterlife.
Dun tell mi the fact that if u are christian u go to heaven.
precisely..dead means dead..no more afterlife..and no such thing as christian = go heaven..it wasnt complicated in the first place..until 2000+ years ago..
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
sorry for my ignorance..but wtf is NCC pastor mark??i got my points frm the bible lor..i would like to ask the same questions you asked too..but they cant answer you because they cant be right..and jump down from so high still can donate what organs??
why not cos their GOD is the of grace and forgivening and miracle one ,too.why not scully you don't died or you died but organ still nicely ok so still can donate mah..
moreover the whole bible is written by men.saying that it from their holy spirits..sigh everyone cliam to have holy spirit but how come thinking so different...
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and lot of church oso preach that after dead they will go to a better place...
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
precisely..dead means dead..no more afterlife..and no such thing as christian = go heaven..it wasnt complicated in the first place..until 2000+ years ago..
Exactly, dun preach to mi about christian going to heaven .. Dun show mi bible but instead pls provide cold hard evidence.
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bingo
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