Originally posted by Stomp661:God is always forgiving.Hell does not go on forever.When their punishments are due, all sinners will be taken up to Heaven.
hmm..thats exactly different from what catholic priests told me..they said eternal torment in hell..from what i understand..eternal means never ending..and why have a heaven when his goal is to create a paradise earth??doesnt that make God doing redundant stuff??
Originally posted by Fantagf:Fishy. Don't understand how one can claim to be non christian yet goes all the way to defend God and bible.
perhaps if i were to start discussing buddhism in that forum and you would think why am i saying buddha is a benevolent man??
Originally posted by S.gal83:Why does God forgive people only now, while we are alive, if we believe in him? Why don't he forgive people who are in hell? What if someone used to mock God but repents of his sins when he went to hell, will God forgive that person? If not, why?
Also, if Satan and 1/3 of the angels who rebeled had repented after they were chased out of the garden of Eden, will God have forgiven them?
U need me to intro you to Toa,li and Sa ya pek. Maybe they can answer your query. Every Fridays.
Originally posted by Itedino:
U need me to intro you to Toa,li and Sa ya pek. Maybe they can answer your query. Every Fridays.
my hse there oso have..but they know satan or not??my side speak hokkien de...satan might be speaking hebrew leh..
Sometimes choices are just delusions.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:this is where man's teaching warp God's....he created heaven for his spirit creatures..all was happy..even satan and gang loves God then...all was cool..then God decide to create earth for humans...so all forms of lives were created..dinos and such to prepare the earth for humans..and so adam was born....he has a biologist's dream job...every life form imaginable was his to name..the joy of discovery nature and appreciating nature in its purest form...he cant be sad can he..
but God wanted him to be even happier so he created Eve..and they were both happy until some people got vain and ruin everything..notice that God gave freewill and not created robots...satan,demons,adam and eve chose to be unhappy on their own..and God has promised the original state of happiness will be restored..thats why he sent Jesus to prepare the way..
and he can foresee things..but it aint about if he can foresee or not..but rather he wants to foresee or not..
these are all your explanations, not bible or Jesus or god. I feel that its too simple using the creator concept to explain all things. if thats the case, there will be no progression of society, everything are acts and will of god.
Originally posted by S.gal83:Why does God forgive people only now, while we are alive, if we believe in him? Why don't he forgive people who are in hell? What if someone used to mock God but repents of his sins when he went to hell, will God forgive that person? If not, why?
Also, if Satan and 1/3 of the angels who rebeled had repented after they were chased out of the garden of Eden, will God have forgiven them?
S.gal83, seriously asking questions abt God here would not provide u any rock firm answers as there r too many opinions here dat divides.
a wise person might tell u to seek answers from the bible. but on top of dat, u require faith to unlock God's mysterious ways of doing things.
Refer to the story about the rich man and Lazarus for your answer (Luke 16:19-31).
Satan and the fallen angels were not chased out of the Garden of Eden, they were cast out of Heaven in the Book of Revelation.
Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Refer to the story about the rich man and Lazarus for your answer (Luke 16:19-31).
Satan and the fallen angels were not chased out of the Garden of Eden, they were cast out of Heaven in the Book of Revelation.
actually this was described in the book of Yeshayahu(Isaiah) 14:12-14 or thereabouts.
god can relief us of our pain by ceasing our souls and not existed.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Actually people couldn't repent after they die.
They are just not alive anymore they are unable to think, they are no longer aware of anything at all including the passage of time. At least this happens to most people. This is death at its full glory. But the second death would be even worse.
When they are awaken to face judgment it will all be too late.
The judgement passed on me before I was born is that I am damned.
Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:god can relief us of our pain by ceasing our souls and not existed.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
The judgement passed on me before I was born is that I am damned.
Originally posted by Devil1976:Sometimes choices are just delusions.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
A person is damned by the thing that he did. You never existed before you were born you couldn't be judged. Even the dead are now yet judged.
Wrong, a person who is borned without a soul is damned from its inception.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Wrong, a person who is borned without a soul is damned from its inception.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Herzog Zwei there's no person who is born without a soul. A soul is not the same with conscience. A soul is a person essence, his spirit. Nobody alive is without a soul. I don't know who told you that but everyone has a soul. A soul is also not a person emotion. A person may be numb in his feelings due to one or many reasons but it doesn't mean he doesn't have a soul.
Are the living dead having a soul?
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Are the living dead having a soul?
Originally posted by marcteng:these are all your explanations, not bible or Jesus or god. I feel that its too simple using the creator concept to explain all things. if thats the case, there will be no progression of society, everything are acts and will of god.
thats y i said...read the bible..i already stated my explaination does not come from me..im not that intelligent..imo...when we know there is a creator..we then seek to uncover the laws he used to make things, like physics,chem,and so on..all the sciences...then we see how we can use the resources we discover to make other things..things that can benefit us..isnt it then a progression?do not just think that by following God will lead to the medival times of foolish crusades..its not..God and science harmonize..the bible said humans were made to live forever..did you know science had proven this??its all because of telemorase in our DNA is malfunctioning..thats why our body ages and stop regenerating..stop giving us optimum performance that we originally should have..this is the imperfection effect stated in the bible..that adam and eve will positively die..it is what it meant..
Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:S.gal83, seriously asking questions abt God here would not provide u any rock firm answers as there r too many opinions here dat divides.
a wise person might tell u to seek answers from the bible. but on top of dat, u require faith to unlock God's mysterious ways of doing things.
bro...actually i agree mostly with you..read the bible and faith..but as for mysterious ways..i dont think so..he always tell people what he is goin to do..just that humans dont understand..sad to say..even religious leaders are not interested to know the true word of God..mystifying it to control masses...TS started the thread as i believe she wants a last shot at knowing God..she must have bad exp to distrust in God..
Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Refer to the story about the rich man and Lazarus for your answer (Luke 16:19-31).
Satan and the fallen angels were not chased out of the Garden of Eden, they were cast out of Heaven in the Book of Revelation.
yes..they were cast from heaven after long after the edenic incident..did you not also see how satan had access to heaven and challenged God there for many times way after Job??only after Jesus was brought back to heaven did satan and gang got cast from heavens...
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
The judgement passed on me before I was born is that I am damned.
truly i said to you..you are not judged before you are born..you are not even judged now by Jehovah but by yourself..you have perceived yourself being judged by God already..you have not..