Why doesn't God forgive people once they went to hell
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Why does God forgive people only now, while we are alive, if we believe in him? Why don't he forgive people who are in hell? What if someone used to mock God but repents of his sins when he went to hell, will God forgive that person? If not, why?
Also, if Satan and 1/3 of the angels who rebeled had repented after they were chased out of the garden of Eden, will God have forgiven them?
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
Why does God forgive people only now, while we are alive, if we believe in him? Why don't he forgive people who are in hell? What if someone used to mock God but repents of his sins when he went to hell, will God forgive that person? If not, why?
Also, if Satan and 1/3 of the angels who rebeled had repented after they were chased out of the garden of Eden, will God have forgiven them?
simple..because there is no hell..because there is no such thing as torment in eternity..because it is explicitly written in the bible when a person dies, s/he is conscious of nothing at all..akin to sleeping..so how can anyone be repentent when dead??it has to be when they are still alive..only when one is alive does s/he have the ability to think and act..when judgement comes..billions will be called up from their sleep so they may make their choice..for or against God..for God then live on and help out..against God then go back sleep..
satan and friends wasnt chased out of eden..everyone was..but satan and friends had access to the heavens for a long time..satan often appeared in the heavely court to mock God and challenge God..until in the book of revelations where satan the original serpent, the dragon was hurled down to earth with his friends..
based on your questions..if they realized their folly after adam and eve and truly repent..God will forgive them..however, they do not repent and got worse..soon angels started having sex with humans to birth nephilims..things got so bad that the flood has to come..and God knows that satan and friends will never ever repent..its now just a matter of how many humans or angels will join them in doom..
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Satan and his fallen angels cannot repent. Their fall is forever.
As for people. The window to repent will close after one dies. A dead person can no longer relate to God(not able to remember God) aside from not being able to be aware of him or herself and not being able to register the passage of time. To help a death person he or she needs another person who is still alive to pray for her to God. Note that not to pray to her but to pray to God for her salvation. The very next thing that the dead would realize is that at the time of judgment but this would already be too late to repent. But a lot of people would go against what I wrote here but let it be.
But the primary means of being saved rests in the person's life. Life is a TREASURE of innumerable values. TREASURE your life! Be aware that we don't really own anything. Our home, cars, job, money and everything else including even our own husband, wife and children ARE NOT our own really. We will depart of these things. What we really are given is TIME..
We can still remember God in life. So honor Him, give Him praise. I know that I fall too many times but I admit my sins in front of God in my prayer each day. I know that I'm weak and a sinner but I admit that I'm weak and a sinner. I'm always sorry that I'm weak and a sinner and I always ask for God's forgiveness one ach single day. It's important to admit our mistakes and sins!
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And I believe in the existence of hell and heaven as sure as I believe day will come after night
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perhaps god is not an enlightened?
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Originally posted by marcteng:
perhaps god is not an enlightened?
then perhaps a mathematician cant calculate too..
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Originally posted by caleb_chiang:
interesting pic..but how true is it??or just photoshop??by right as according to the bible..such remains cannot be found liao..
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
then perhaps a mathematician cant calculate too..
god is as deluded and unenlightened as humans. you wont see these type of boorish behaviour from an enlightened person, who is all merciful and compassionate, even when you are to kill him. he wont habour a thought of revenge on you. thats the difference between an enlightened and an unenlightened being, period.
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Originally posted by marcteng:
god is as deluded and unenlightened as humans. you wont see these type of boorish behaviour from an enlightened person, who is all merciful and compassionate, even when you are to kill him. he wont habour a thought of revenge on you. thats the difference between an enlightened and an unenlightened being, period.
think you missed out on justice???to think he actually bothered to think of ways to do so many things that he actually served his creatures instead of the other way round..total freedom leads only to chaos...that will defeat the purpose of enjoying life isnt it??
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
think you missed out on justice???to think he actually bothered to think of ways to do so many things that he actually served his creatures instead of the other way round..total freedom leads only to chaos...that will defeat the purpose of enjoying life isnt it??
y need justice when u r an enlightened. u wont need anything
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Originally posted by marcteng:
y need justice when u r an enlightened. u wont need anything
like i said..ended up..God served his creature..it made him happy..justice is a quality he showed his creatures so they know their welfare is taken care of..that they wont be mistreated..and seriously..enlightenment means you dont need anything??then people jus need to go and kill themselves..since being dead doesnt need anything else too..luckily God doesnt have my patience..or he would have killed off everything long ago..
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
like i said..ended up..God served his creature..it made him happy..justice is a quality he showed his creatures so they know their welfare is taken care of..that they wont be mistreated..and seriously..enlightenment means you dont need anything??then people jus need to go and kill themselves..since being dead doesnt need anything else too..luckily God doesnt have my patience..or he would have killed off everything long ago..
when you are enlightened, you are wise, see things as they truly are compassionate etc. even when people were to harm you, you wont even have the thought of wishing him bad or revenge.
I shudder to think your description of god, killing on my.
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because this is a fairy tale and the author writes that GOD will not forgive people once they are in hell
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Originally posted by marcteng:
when you are enlightened, you are wise, see things as they truly are compassionate etc. even when people were to harm you, you wont even have the thought of wishing him bad or revenge.
I shudder to think your description of god, killing on my.
precisely..if God aint compassionate and loving..he would have wiped out every thing after the eden incident..even kill off jesus and all the angels and keep only himself alive..and recreate..treat nothing had happend..he destroyed nations that were truly bad..think nineveh..people had commented that God had destroyed it too late..you have to throw away rotten apples from the good ones right?or would you prefer to have a whole basket of rotten apples when you could have good ones?
you shudder to think God is just and loving??such qualities turn you off??
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
precisely..if God aint compassionate and loving..he would have wiped out every thing after the eden incident..even kill off jesus and all the angels and keep only himself alive..and recreate..treat nothing had happend..he destroyed nations that were truly bad..think nineveh..people had commented that God had destroyed it too late..you have to throw away rotten apples from the good ones right?or would you prefer to have a whole basket of rotten apples when you could have good ones?
you shudder to think God is just and loving??such qualities turn you off??
no there were massacres mentioned in the bible.
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
interesting pic..but how true is it??or just photoshop??by right as according to the bible..such remains cannot be found liao..
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Originally posted by marcteng:
god is as deluded and unenlightened as humans. you wont see these type of boorish behaviour from an enlightened person, who is all merciful and compassionate, even when you are to kill him. he wont habour a thought of revenge on you. thats the difference between an enlightened and an unenlightened being, period.
You fail to realize that even God's judgment is holy. His punishments are holy. Many people miss the point that God is actually the source(the highest) authority there is. This translates to power!
While the ruler of this world are not perfect or even evil and unjust God who holds the highest authority (whether you acknowledge that or not) is a holy God. In fact what makes God is so terrifying and so powerful with full authority over things is His holiness. Holiness is authority in the realm of God and we are always be in the realm of God no matter where we go. Blessed those who truly live a holy life. They will be paid by the repayer of holiness(God) and the reward is unimaginable.
I can tell you for certain that many people will literally envy what His holy and chosen people are going to receive at the time of judgment. Such that they would want so much to be them. I never envy anyone in this world because I never wanted to be like them but I will envy His chosen people. In fact I already did and will always be. I live with the knowledge of what these people would receive: Unimaginable POWER. Unimaginbale even by this world's standard of ETERNAL Power. It will all boils down to power. You'll see. -
Originally posted by marcteng:
no there were massacres mentioned in the bible.
so were there incest,sex and rape....i know there are massacres in the bible..i once ask this question..if God is so loving..why did he allowed bad things to happen a) in the first place, b) happen for so long....
then i got the answers...He allowed bad things to happen even to so called innocents like babies and children..for so many millenia so sentient beings can fully test who is right and wrong..plus he has the power to restore..then people will think he is just being selfish..will anyone let his or her parents be maglined and do nothing??do we as children not suffer too??when everything has been proven...he will do as he promised..remove death and tears of sorrow and sickness..which are all scienctifically possible..
we have to remember this thing call reaping what we sow..
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
Why does God forgive people only now, while we are alive, if we believe in him? Why don't he forgive people who are in hell? What if someone used to mock God but repents of his sins when he went to hell, will God forgive that person? If not, why?
Also, if Satan and 1/3 of the angels who rebeled had repented after they were chased out of the garden of Eden, will God have forgiven them?
Is there really such a place as hell?
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
so were there incest,sex and rape....i know there are massacres in the bible..i once ask this question..if God is so loving..why did he allowed bad things to happen a) in the first place, b) happen for so long....
then i got the answers...He allowed bad things to happen even to so called innocents like babies and children..for so many millenia so sentient beings can fully test who is right and wrong..plus he has the power to restore..then people will think he is just being selfish..will anyone let his or her parents be maglined and do nothing??do we as children not suffer too??when everything has been proven...he will do as he promised..remove death and tears of sorrow and sickness..which are all scienctifically possible..
we have to remember this thing call reaping what we sow..
there are a lot of contradictions. for god's power, how ironic that he cant even create a world that is fulll of happiness. why create earth when you already created a heaven. I mean for his powers, he cant forsee or predict what he has created?
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God is always forgiving.Hell does not go on forever.When their punishments are due, all sinners will be taken up to Heaven.
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I think TS is a bit hungry and should eat something.
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Originally posted by marcteng:
there are a lot of contradictions. for god's power, how ironic that he cant even create a world that is fulll of happiness. why create earth when you already created a heaven. I mean for his powers, he cant forsee or predict what he has created?
this is where man's teaching warp God's....he created heaven for his spirit creatures..all was happy..even satan and gang loves God then...all was cool..then God decide to create earth for humans...so all forms of lives were created..dinos and such to prepare the earth for humans..and so adam was born....he has a biologist's dream job...every life form imaginable was his to name..the joy of discovery nature and appreciating nature in its purest form...he cant be sad can he..
but God wanted him to be even happier so he created Eve..and they were both happy until some people got vain and ruin everything..notice that God gave freewill and not created robots...satan,demons,adam and eve chose to be unhappy on their own..and God has promised the original state of happiness will be restored..thats why he sent Jesus to prepare the way..
and he can foresee things..but it aint about if he can foresee or not..but rather he wants to foresee or not..
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Fishy. Don't understand how one can claim to be non christian yet goes all the way to defend God and bible.