Originally posted by marcteng:S.Gal83, do you believe that humans no need to go to heaven and hell to experience them? we can experience them here and now. when we are happy, we are experiencing heavenly bliss isnt it. when we are depressed or frustrated, we are experience hell? yes, no?
I believe there is a heaven on earth, as well as a hell on earth.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:not according to my belief, but according to the bible, they cease to exist altogether. They do not get to enjoy the new earth. that is the problem with not understand the context which the church so clearly neglects to mention. The concept of hell is a greek one stemming from the works of Dante.
I do not mind ceasing to exist.
Originally posted by marcteng:you seem to be a scholar in this eh. you mean they are wrong and you are right? u majored in thelogy?
no scholar... anyone can read this information, it is freely available for all who want to know... you don't even need a major in theology ; )
Originally posted by breytonhartge:no scholar... anyone can read this information, it is freely available for all who want to know... you don't even need a major in theology ; )
so pray, what does the fate of non believers lie if it is not in hell?
Originally posted by marcteng:but why you dun chose to believe that it was humans who created the concept of god? the bible stories were all created by man kind.
do you believe the in goldilocks then or the red riding hood?
Originally posted by marcteng:but why you dun chose to believe that it was humans who created the concept of god? the bible stories were all created by man kind.
do you believe the in goldilocks then or the red riding hood?
I had seen miracles back when I was a christian. I had seen people who were terminally ill being healed miraculously without doctor's interventions. I had seen people in wheelchairs getting out of them, healed.
When I was a child, I had asthma. As a result, during my Canada trip, I could not go up a snow mountain with my family. I was forced to stay in a hotel. I badly wanted to see snow. So I prayed to God to show me snow. It snowed right outside my hotel. Later on, my tour guide told me how lucky I was. It was not a snowing season. No one expected that snow. The snow lasted for only a day. Yet, it left a deep impression in me.
I believe, as a result, in the existence of God. I also believe he answers prayers. However, after what I read of him in the bible, I cease to believe in his goodness. I believe he is powerful and he makes the world, just not that he is good.
I can never reconcile with myself the massacres God order to be carried out in his name in the old testament, and the concept of an eternal hell.Hell makes me cease my worship of God. I also no longer pray to him.
Originally posted by marcteng:so pray, what does the fate of non believers lie if it is not in hell?
read my previous posts.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:read my previous posts.
can the earth be created in 6 days according to the bible?
Originally posted by S.gal83:By God, I am refering to the being who makes this world.
He has some power-- the abilities to make worlds etc.
I believe there is a God, as in, there is a being who makes this world.
I do not believe, though, that the christian version of him is good, or sinless.
So God is powerful but not good.
Yes, i believe God created human beings. However . . . . . . . . . .. .
Originally posted by S.gal83:
If you do not believe in hell, where do non-christians go to after they die, according to your belief?
he she die die must win
Originally posted by Fantagf:Yes, i believe God created human beings. However . . . . . . . . . .. .
However what?
Originally posted by S.gal83:
I had seen miracles back when I was a christian. I had seen people who were terminally ill being healed miraculously without doctor's interventions. I had seen people in wheelchairs getting out of them, healed.
When I was a child, I had asthma. As a result, during my Canada trip, I could not go up a snow mountain with my family. I was forced to stay in a hotel. I badly wanted to see snow. So I prayed to God to show me snow. It snowed right outside my hotel. Later on, my tour guide told me how lucky I was. It was not a snowing season. No one expected that snow. The snow lasted for only a day. Yet, it left a deep impression in me.
I believe, as a result, in the existence of God. I also believe he answers prayers. However, after what I read of him in the bible, I cease to believe in his goodness. I believe he is powerful and he makes the world, just not that he is good.
I can never reconcile with myself the massacres God order to be carried out in his name in the old testament, and the concept of an eternal hell.Hell makes me cease my worship of God. I also no longer pray to him.
I think you have to work out these issues with God slowly, especially the things you are troubled with are the grey areas which you feel nobody can provide u with a satisfactory answer. Stopping to pray will not help things, and in fact, make u more frustrated.
In this fallen world, it is easier to lose than gaining faith. We often forget about his goodness when we become complacent. But what we can be assured is, if we keep ourselves in Jesus and he in us, we can never be snatched out of his hand.
So....do pray......even though I find myself not praying also in times of adversity.
Originally posted by marcteng:can the earth be created in 6 days according to the bible?
why no replied on my question? how can earth be created in just 6 days?
Originally posted by Fantagf:Yes, i believe God created human beings. However . . . . . . . . . .. .
not mother who gave birth meh?
Originally posted by S.gal83:Don't believe in the goodness of God.
y not personally??
the goodness of God had been twisted to horrible forms by the church..no wonder many left..
Originally posted by breytonhartge:did Yahweh ever say He was going to do good all the time? even in the bible, when people sin, the wages for sin is death... this generation is so lacking morality according to His principles, what do you think He would do? In the past He has destroyed entire people groups for the sake of Yisrael. Are you G_d? Who are you to say what He can or cannot do? People are so arrogant to force their misconceptions and wrong perceptions onto Yahweh, He and He alone is righteous, never us. The relationship between Yahweh and us is on HIS terms not ours.
though Yahweh did not said he will do good all the time..but badness cannot be found in him....he destroyed nations is good..the nations were too evill..if he didnt destroy them..many others will be affected badly...
Originally posted by S.gal83:I have so much to say about the immorality of God, but I will hold my peace. As I said, I unbecome a christian because I doubt the goodness of God. Not the existence of God, but his actual goodness.
would love to hear ur views...pm me if you dun mind... =)
Originally posted by marcteng:have you thought for one moment, what if there is no god and that it is being created by humans for make believe?
have u ever wondered there was no watch makers??that watches we wear are just make believes??it isnt really there...
Originally posted by S.gal83:I was christian of a charismatic church for 7 years. Back then, I read the bible every night. So, I don't need to read any more of the bible.
Sure, God is the ruler. But even ruler has to abide by his own rules.
Otherwise, he will be a hypocrite.
charismatic church..that explains everything =)
Originally posted by S.gal83:You are not in messianic Judaism?
For your information, messianic judaism is a sect in Judaism which believes in Yeshua as the messiah. They practise both the old and new testaments. They are basically believers who believe that believers should keeps all the old testament festivals like passovers, etc.
Back when I was a christian, I love to listen to messianic worship songs. They always portrayed God as majestic and powerful. But that was back then.
they werent exactly all wrong.....better than traditional jews..
Originally posted by laoda99:
I think by judging with our human standards, no one is moral.But God alone is righteous. He cannot sin. We can. That's why we need to look up to him.
And I think God is good and humble. If he wasn't, he wouldn't die for your sins on the cross.
sorry..God cannot die..the one that died is the son...son =/= dad
Originally posted by marcteng:no need. I know whats the religion is about. the world and universe and everything is created by god. salvation is accepting Jesus for your ticket to heaven. Satan was formerly an angel called lucifer and resides in hell. all evil in this world was the act of satan and his devils.
btw how can earth be created in 6 days? u tell me?
2000 years ago people accepted this, but in this day and age, how can earth be created in 6 days. I am glad that science has revealed far more things that those people 2000 years ago can ever imagine.
u only knw the lies told by the church..i will be creating a new thread soon..hope to receive your valuble comments
Originally posted by domonkassyu:sorry..God cannot die..the one that died is the son...son =/= dad
oh my bad, u are not a christian
nevermind then
Originally posted by laoda99:
oh my bad, u are not a christiannevermind then
well, to anyone who isnt deceived..its obviously stated God cannot die..nor does he have a beginning....and so many other things about God...
also was revealed blatantly who died...are you your own father??
Interesting. You have views similiar to islam/arianism
But to Christians, the concept of the Triune God is central though it is difficult to comprehend.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:charismatic church..that explains everything =)
Totally agreed. Charismatic=rubbish.