Originally posted by laoda99:May I know what is the issue you have with God?
I have issue with something that does not exist and created by mankind.
Originally posted by S.gal83:By the way you use G-D for God, and Yeshua for Jesus, you are not by chance a messianic Jew, or a messianic christian?
please do not call me a christian... *shudders...*
Originally posted by marcteng:his world? I bet his world was created by mankind in a make believe world.
marc, why don't u go find out more about a book of the bible not included in the existing bible then let me know.
Originally posted by laoda99:May I know what is the issue you have with God?
I thought I had already made it clear? That I do not believe he is moral or good or humble?
Originally posted by laoda99:May I know what is the issue you have with God?
double posting.
Originally posted by laoda99:May I know what is the issue you have with God?
Something wrong with my internet connection. Triple posting by accident.
cannot speak otherwise of god if not one will get killed. wahahhahahhahaha! god god god !!!
hhahahaha. i very scared leh, hahahahha
Originally posted by S.gal83:I thought I had already made it clear? That I do not believe he is moral or good or humble?
Don;t worry, i support you. i agree with you
Originally posted by breytonhartge:please do not call me a christian... *shudders...*
You are not in messianic Judaism?
For your information, messianic judaism is a sect in Judaism which believes in Yeshua as the messiah. They practise both the old and new testaments. They are basically believers who believe that believers should keeps all the old testament festivals like passovers, etc.
Back when I was a christian, I love to listen to messianic worship songs. They always portrayed God as majestic and powerful. But that was back then.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Don;t worry, i support you. i agree with you
Thanks.
Originally posted by S.gal83:I thought I had already made it clear? That I do not believe he is moral or good or humble?
I think by judging with our human standards, no one is moral.
But God alone is righteous. He cannot sin. We can. That's why we need to look up to him.
And I think God is good and humble. If he wasn't, he wouldn't die for your sins on the cross.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Don;t worry, i support you. i agree with you
Thanks.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
marc, why don't u go find out more about a book of the bible not included in the existing bible then let me know.
no need. I know whats the religion is about. the world and universe and everything is created by god. salvation is accepting Jesus for your ticket to heaven. Satan was formerly an angel called lucifer and resides in hell. all evil in this world was the act of satan and his devils.
btw how can earth be created in 6 days? u tell me?
2000 years ago people accepted this, but in this day and age, how can earth be created in 6 days. I am glad that science has revealed far more things that those people 2000 years ago can ever imagine.
Originally posted by laoda99:
I think by judging with our human standards, no one is moral.But God alone is righteous. He cannot sin. We can. That's why we need to look up to him.
And I think God is good and humble. If he wasn't, he wouldn't die for your sins on the cross.
Yet this same sinless God who commands in the bible for men not to kill one another, orders the massacre of an entire tribe, including even the women and children and babies.
And this same God, who is loving, torments non-believers, even if they are good people like Buddha, Confucious, some non-christian kind-hearted souls to an eternity in hell.
How sinless is he, really, judged using men's standard? How loving is he really, judged using the same men's standard?
Hmmm which book are you referring to? And why were the people punished?
And I dun think we can judge who is good and who's not. Only God can.
If you still believe in God (or God(s) of other faiths), can we still call them God(s) if they fail your human standards? Probably you can say you are an atheist then.
Originally posted by S.gal83:Yet this same sinless God who commands in the bible for men not to kill one another, orders the massacre of an entire tribe, including even the women and children and babies.
And this same God, who is loving, torments non-believers, even if they are good people like Buddha, Confucious, some non-christian kind-hearted souls to an eternity in hell.
How sinless is he, really, judged using men's standard? How loving is he really, judged using the same men's standard?
contradictory isnt it. preach one thing, practise another.
By God, I am refering to the being who makes this world.
He has some power-- the abilities to make worlds etc.
I believe there is a God, as in, there is a being who makes this world.
I do not believe, though, that the christian version of him is good, or sinless.
So God is powerful but not good.
Originally posted by marcteng:contradictory isnt it. preach one thing, practise another.
That is why I don't worship him anymore.
Unfortunately for me, I still believes he exists. Just that, I cannot find within my conscience to worship him after all the atrocities I see him doing in the bible. If I go to hell for that, so be it.
Originally posted by S.gal83:That is why I don't worship him anymore.
Unfortunately for me, I still believes he exists. Just that, I cannot find within my conscience to worship him after all the atrocities I see him doing in the bible. If I go to hell for that, so be it.
but why you dun chose to believe that it was humans who created the concept of god? the bible stories were all created by man kind.
do you believe the in goldilocks then or the red riding hood?
Originally posted by S.gal83:Yet this same sinless God who commands in the bible for men not to kill one another, orders the massacre of an entire tribe, including even the women and children and babies.
And this same God, who is loving, torments non-believers, even if they are good people like Buddha, Confucious, some non-christian kind-hearted souls to an eternity in hell.
How sinless is he, really, judged using men's standard? How loving is he really, judged using the same men's standard?
Yahweh has already set out from the beginning the consequence for sin and rebellion, this is His creation, and He has set out the rules for His creation, He has set out the rules and the consequences for sin, so if man chooses to rebel, then we cannot say we do not know the consequence.
whoever taught you that there would be an eternity in hell, since you say you have read your bible carefully, where is the evidence that sinners will spend an eternity in hell?
you have just said it, judged using man's standard, not Yahweh's.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Yahweh has already set out from the beginning the consequence for sin and rebellion, this is His creation, and He has set out the rules for His creation, He has set out the rules and the consequences for sin, so if man chooses to rebel, then we cannot say we do not know the consequence.
whoever taught you that there would be an eternity in hell, since you say you have read your bible carefully, where is the evidence that sinners will spend an eternity in hell?
you have just said it, judged using man's standard, not Yahweh's.
i have christians telling me non believers are going to hell.
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Yahweh has already set out from the beginning the consequence for sin and rebellion, this is His creation, and He has set out the rules for His creation, He has set out the rules and the consequences for sin, so if man chooses to rebel, then we cannot say we do not know the consequence.
whoever taught you that there would be an eternity in hell, since you say you have read your bible carefully, where is the evidence that sinners will spend an eternity in hell?
you have just said it, judged using man's standard, not Yahweh's.
If you do not believe in hell, where do non-christians go to after they die, according to your belief?
Originally posted by S.gal83:
If you do not believe in hell, where do non-christians go to after they die, according to your belief?
not according to my belief, but according to the bible, they cease to exist altogether. They do not get to enjoy the new earth. that is the problem with not understand the context which the church so clearly neglects to mention. The concept of hell is a greek one stemming from the works of Dante.
Originally posted by S.gal83:
If you do not believe in hell, where do non-christians go to after they die, according to your belief?
S.Gal83, do you believe that humans no need to go to heaven and hell to experience them? we can experience them here and now. when we are happy, we are experiencing heavenly bliss isnt it. when we are depressed or frustrated, we are experience hell? yes, no?
Originally posted by breytonhartge:not according to my belief, but according to the bible, they cease to exist altogether. They do not get to enjoy the new earth. that is the problem with not understand the context which the church so clearly neglects to mention. The concept of hell is a greek one stemming from the works of Dante.
you seem to be a scholar in this eh. you mean they are wrong and you are right? u majored in thelogy?