hi all..we had been dicussing in great details on many aspects on the bible..just curious..any takers on the subjects on demons, or fallen angels??like what does your church teaches you about them and such..
hmm..interesting...especially how demons can disguise themselves into even something righteous..for easy reference..lifeforms that aint physical and not sent from God are angels..anything else are demons..in this topic..please dont include other religions into the mix as yet..dont condemn your own religion for now for all those who are reading...
M&P..wonder if you remember the stroy of paul as he went around preaching..and there is this medium gal..who went behind him and kept crying out that paul is preaching the true word of God..it totally pisses paul off and he kinda told her off..how righteous paul's fury is...that spreading the word of God need no demons' help..the demons assisting the gal clearly know what paul was talking about and know its the truth..shows how twisted they are just to get some form of worship..
Miracles&Prophecies==demon in disguise
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Hmm yea the girl was prophesying not under the influence of the holy spirit but of other spirits. But how did the apostle know?
Yes I know that perhaps demon can disguise themselves but in my own experience God is still God. Many people believe that demons or the devil are more active than God these days, they look at everything with utter suspicion and tend to view everything supernatural is from the devil.They think this way because they don't know God
Even when Jesus was performing all those miracles including casting out demons the people suspect Jesus was using the power of the devil to do all of His miracles.
They were blind in spirit. They failed to see the work of the holy spirit even when it's performed in front of their very own eyes.
Jesus was considered false Messiah even after He died or because He died. No let me correct that Jesus is still considered as false Messiah to this day by the majority of the jewish people. The Jewish people didn't have knowledge of God and was blind in the spirit. They loved their religion more than they loved God. They thought Jesus death was a must to appease the Romans and brought stability. The Pharisees were furious that Jesus condemned them. To them Jesus was a mere son of a carpenter.
They sincerely believed that Jesus was a false Messiah despite everything that Jesus had performed.
Those Jews who believed in Jesus and admitted to it were cast out of the synagogues(their churches) thus expelling them from their community. Many of those who believed in Jesus were too afraid to admit that because they didn't want to be cast out of the synagogue.
The Pharisees did all this because they didn't know God and they loved their religion more than they loved God. In fact they worshiped their religion instead of God. They did their rituals for the sake of doing the rituals. They became numb and blind in spirit. Though they did all their physical rituals that their religion demanded of them, they were doing them for all the wrong reasons. They replaced God with idols called religion and rituals and a feeling of false self-righteousness. The very way to become closer to God has turned into the very obstacle to God.
Next time before judging or crying out satan or the devil be sure you know what you are talking. We ought to learn from the Pharisees. Paul knew the girl was prophesying not udner the influence of God because he had a spiritual insight. The many Jesus disciples that prevented a man from casting out demons in God's name thought they had spiritual insight and Jesus told them they were wrong to have prevented that man. You see even Jesus own disciples were then wrong in judging what was from God and what was not.
this part seems to describe catholics more than jews..the pharisees did not love religion nor God..they just love the power they have..Jesus was a thorn in their side for Jesus spoke the truth about God and how to worship God according to God's standard and not man..thats why they have to remove Jesus..
Paul knew for he was anointed with holy spirit..therefore he rebuked the gal who then lost the powers from the demons not long after and cast aside by her masters for not able to cast divining lots.
it is true God still send his angels and holy spirit to protect humans especially in this ending days..this im sure..however, it isnt what humans thought it is..as it will contradict the bible which is God's word..the bible was meant to guide humans till the restoration of true worship..so there is no need for more prophets, visions.everything needed is in the bible.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:It takes a spiritual insight to know which is which without which we cannot judge correctly.
And I don't think the spirit that made the girl to prophesy was doing it for the sake of being worshiped . . . .I would called it a possession manifestation but it was not doing what it was doing so that it could be worshiped.
demons or fallen angels..which ever you call them..crave for one thing..to be worshipped..she is possessed by them so people will believe in whatever she says and come to her so they deviate from worshipping God...if you dont worship god, you worship demons..no grey area..no middle ground in this war..dont start to flame for people of other faiths..all points are presented in view points of the bible only..
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Miracles&Prophecies==demon in disguise
aww..dont say that you meanie..M&P knows somethings..but let his rage and hatred got better of him in certain things like pap..he was just badly attacked..
Originally posted by domonkassyu:it is true God still send his angels and holy spirit to protect humans especially in this ending days..this im sure..however, it isnt what humans thought it is..as it will contradict the bible which is God's word..the bible was meant to guide humans till the restoration of true worship..so there is no need for more prophets, visions.everything needed is in the bible.
how come didnt reveal there were viruses and germs? was the creation of virus/germs the work of holy spirit?
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Yes I agree there's no gray area in life. Those who think they are neutral are NOT neutral. They still haven't realized whose side they are on.
But I cannot agree with you that today there's no longer be any prophet or any prophecy or any vision or any revelation or any miracle just that they are no longer being recorded thus they remain personal most of the time. I've personally witnessed a prophecy coming true. It took 5 years and it was fulfilled in every detail.
The holy spirit is still at work in this world just as what God promised in the bible. Believers are having prophetic dreams, seeing visions, receiving revelations, some even heal the sick with prayer, some even raised the dead through Christ and a lot of people are speaking in tongue or being given the gift of words of knowledge(to know things, people supernaturally).
What believers must be careful is to judge which is from which. There are most probably many false teachers and false prophets. Whatever revealed must not go against what has already been revealed. That is one way to know these frauds.
How did Mary know that the angel that appeared to her was really an angel from God? How did Joseph husband of Mary know that the dream was from God? How did Moses know that it was God that commanded him to got o the Pharaoh? How did Noah know that it was God that commanded him to build the ark? How did Joseph son of Jacob know that it was God that gave Pharaoh his dream? and not Pharaoh's sixth sense? lol How did John the apostle know the revelation was from God and not his own fantasy or from the devil? How did Abraham know that God is God who commanded him to go out from his father's place? How did Abraham know the visitors that came to his tent were from God? How did Lot know that his guest was an angel? How did Jeremiah know that it was God that made him a prophet and not the devil? How did Solomon know that his dream was from God and that his wisdom really was the result of what he asked and that it was not his own ability but it was a blessing from God? How did Jonah know that God wanted him thus commanded the ship's crew to throw him into the sea? How did the apostles know that Jesus was really the Messiah? How did Daniel know that God was God and how did he know what had been revealed to him was the truth from God and not from the devil?
We believe these people were really God's people because we read them in the bible. But how did they know what they know?
noticed i said not anymore as in nowadays..back then they know because God speaks to the very openly..none can refute that..if God were to speak again like he did and tell me the church is right..most probably i still go kill myself than serve a god like that..haha..the thing is..you pointed all correct people in the correct time..that is..BEFORE the completion of the bible..but of course..no one can say you are wrong..
miracles happen nowadys..faith healing thats healing everything else but faith..bringin people back to live..never see happening again in mordern days..and those miracles come with a price..they have to be paid..
demons were angels who stood in the truth..they had loved God last time..even satan did..though they had their power greatly reduced when cast out of heaven during the events stated in revelations..the tinest of them is way superior to mere humans..and they things they can do are miraculous to humans..6th sense you said??besides the sense of humor..i cant think of anything else..humans werent made to foretell future events isnt it??
Originally posted by marcteng:how come didnt reveal there were viruses and germs? was the creation of virus/germs the work of holy spirit?
good qn..germs are created as they have life..but doesnt meean sicknesses came from God..perfect humans like adam, eve and Jesus didnt fell sick when they were perfect..the immunity system is perfect..telemorase was working in top conditions..so people don age when they reach their prime..that was perfect human body..
now in the not so perfect world..people die from common cold..
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyayndwXQ4&feat…
copy and paste that to your browser.
God is still at work TODAY as ever.
God is at work in a different way..well..you know my standpoint enough i guess..to me..the vid is showing from one false religion to another...
Catechism of the Catholic Church
391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Catechism of the Catholic Church
391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
thanks for the post sgmacross...i agreed with everything in most ways except the last part where it says its a great mystery that God would allow such diablolical acts..it is simple to see actually..
satan issued a challenge to God's right of sovereignty..citing that creatures can lead better lives even if limitted by their own rule than living endlessly under God's rule..
by allowing what has happend to happen, all areas of such self governance is being tested..mankind has used all forms of governments till date only to always get into wars and bloodshed...no happiness..only problems..the faithful man Job is but a mini version of the entire challenge..being tested by satan the devil with all ways possible..
hope i had made a clear point on the great mystery..
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:If anyone still doubted about God still doing miracles and all other kind of work
Research the following people, they lived and some still live todayTherese Neumann from Konnersreuth(died in 1962)
Padre Pio(died in 1968 )
Julia Kim from Naju Korea
All of them are stigmatist that is people who bear the marks of Jesus suffering by spiritual means(supernatural)
Among the things that they did was bilocation(being in more than one place at the same time), reading of hearts(feeling what the others feeling in their heart), seeing irregardless of distance, levitation(being lifted as if flying), bearing the physical injuries of Jesus and literally feeling what Jesus went through some even saw the events including smell, sounds and all other sensations, seeing visions.
If you doubt these people note that Therese Neumann had been studied and she spoke a wide array of languages though she couldn’t understand them such as ancient aramaic(Jesus tongue), French, Italian, etc. She herself was German. She spoke not only some of the quotes in the bible but others too. Among her extraordinary ‘feat’ was she didn’t take any nourishment for decades. She was studied to prove that she didn’t take any nourishment or to counter proof it but the study was stopped at the 14th day since a man would already die at the 11th day had he not eaten anything by that day. She worked as usual though she didn’t eat anything for decades.
The Allied forces marked her town to be saved from heavy bombardment in WWII and tried to preserve her town as much as they could though 1/3 of the town was inevitably destroyed.If you think they had sixth senses than you’re lost. If you think they are just a remote viewer who happen to be religious then you’re lost too. Then again do you really think that a remote viewer doesn’t involve spiritism? That would be naive at best. Ignorant at worst.
All three had extensive study done on them and nobody nobody could explain what happened to them.
you just answered yourself..spiritism.. =)
Originally posted by domonkassyu:you just answered yourself..spiritism.. =)
Originally posted by domonkassyu:aww..dont say that you meanie..M&P knows somethings..but let his rage and hatred got better of him in certain things like pap..he was just badly attacked..
The truth is that humanity and god stands apart, the path with religion will lead to self-destruction of mankind. Miracles&Prophecies is a christian taliban who stands against the common people of Singapore, therefore Miracles&Prophecies is a demon in disguise. Nothing more, nothing less.
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
If anybody think that saints are psychic that is they have ESP ability he is simply dismissing a miracle which is supernatural in nature as a mere man ability while in fact that I strongly believe these people who we consider saints do not view themselves as psychic at all that is what they are experiencing and what they seemed to be able to do was not their own but came as a result of God's grace. In stronger word it was all God's not them.
If anybody called these saints to be involved in spiritism it was half right and half wrong. We must all realize that God is spirit in fact God is called the Lord of spirits. Jesus WAS NOT a gifted prophet. Jesus was full of spirit. That is to say Jesus was working through the holy spirit which was active and commanding in Him. Jesus WAS NOT a gifted psychic nor was He involved in witchcraft. So it IS WRONG to say that Jesus was a spiritistist though He was full of the holy spirit. Jesus used the holy spirit which was in Him but He had nothing to do with spiritism like we know or heard as in the occult.
Everything supernatural doesn't come from man. Everything that is supernatural comes from the spirit. So the next time you see someone with a genuine supernatural 'ability' knows it that it doesn't come from the man but from spirit. So the next question should be does it come from God or not.
And every thing that came from God IS GREATER than anything else. What is impossible for spirits not from God is perfectly possible with God's spirit.
i agree with you on the Jesus part..now as we see faith healers and so called miracle workers...we know it cannot be man's work..and it must be the work of a spirit..and your next question is answered..it aint from God..
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
The truth is that humanity and god stands apart, the path with religion will lead to self-destruction of mankind. Miracles&Prophecies is a christian taliban who stands against the common people of Singapore, therefore Miracles&Prophecies is a demon in disguise. Nothing more, nothing less.
haha...humans and God cant be apart..you cant be apart from your parents..and i cant be apart from mine..because no matter what..they birthed us..jsut as God created humans to begin with..
M&P is a passionate christian no doubt.but he just has bad exp..for a good christian will not hate the pap(not that they will worship pap) but because a good christian will have no part of this worldy system of things..
there are always good things and qualities in all humans...as they are all made in the image of God...
Originally posted by domonkassyu:haha...humans and God cant be apart..you cant be apart from your parents..and i cant be apart from mine..because no matter what..they birthed us..jsut as God created humans to begin with..
M&P is a passionate christian no doubt.but he just has bad exp..for a good christian will not hate the pap(not that they will worship pap) but because a good christian will have no part of this worldy system of things..
there are always good things and qualities in all humans...as they are all made in the image of God...
For the path with god is fraught with damnation. god didn't give birth to me nor create me.Human are created by evolution, not intelligent design. Miracles&Prophecies and I share a dislike for the present government but he should never dislike any Singaporean on a personal level, nor should he espouse a hatred for homosexuals and their acts. It is their personal lives and no human-centric regulation will change a person's sexuality.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
For the path with god is fraught with damnation. god didn't give birth to me nor create me.Human are created by evolution, not intelligent design. Miracles&Prophecies and I share a dislike for the present government but he should never dislike any Singaporean on a personal level, nor should he espouse a hatred for homosexuals and their acts. It is their personal lives and no human-centric regulation will change a person's sexuality.