Christian parents forcing their children to go church
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Becos i felt the strong words in ur posts.
But then again during the passion of Jesus Christ, how many mortals then hated Jesus & do not believe in him as the Son of God?
In the past, christianity had already been the most hated religion. it jus carried on till now and had nothing to do with the christians mis-conception these days.
irrelevant points and without sources
What hating jesus got to do it with bad christians? do you mean bad christians hate jesus? how many people hate him? 48% of the world population then?
yesh, i believe we have agreed why its the most hated religion from last time till now as per earlier posts
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Originally posted by laurence82:
irrelevant points and without sources
What hating jesus got to do it with bad christians? do you mean bad christians hate jesus? how many people hate him? 48% of the world population then?
yesh, i believe we have agreed why its the most hated religion from last time till now as per earlier posts
Irrelevant points? Do u hav some knowledge of the bible? :) or perhaps i should make it clearer.
The people who turned against Jesus used to believed in him & listened to his preaches before his sacrifice. But did nothing to stop or rather gang up with the scribes & elders against Him. So are they considered bad christians? or maybe this is jus my perspective, not urs.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Irrelevant points? Do u hav some knowledge of the bible? :) or perhaps i should make it clearer.
The people who turned against Jesus used to believed in him & listened to his preaches before his sacrifice. But did nothing to stop or rather gang up with the scribes & elders against Him. So are they considered bad christians? or maybe this is jus my perspective, not urs.
yeah, but i dont base it on passion of christ, which is a movie
again irrelevant
my question was, how many is many? 48% of the world population? and what all this got to do with self-contradictory people who listen to him and turn against him?
its like i ask one question, you are heaping one irrelevant point one after another
you got to stop doing this you know
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Originally posted by laurence82:
yeah, but i dont base it on passion of christ, which is a movie
again irrelevant
my question was, how many is many? 48% of the world population? and what all this got to do with self-contradictory people who listen to him and turn against him?
its like i ask one question, you are heaping one irrelevant point one after another
you got to stop doing this you know
Haha bro u dun know anything of the bible & yet u keep contesting.
Passion of the Christ is a movie yes but "The Passion" is a chapter in the bible which tells the last 12 hours of Jesus' life on earth. so it is not irrelevant.
U mentioned i heap on 1 irrelevant point one after another but in the first place, u dun even understand wat i'm telling u.
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And how will i know how many percent of the world population are bad christians? do u think i hav an answer for dat? i'm not some astrologist or fortune teller pls.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Haha bro u dun know anything of the bible & yet u keep contesting.
Passion of the Christ is a movie yes but "The Passion" is a chapter in the bible which tells the last 12 hours of Jesus' life on earth. so it is not irrelevant.
U mentioned i heap on 1 irrelevant point one after another but in the first place, u dun even understand wat i'm telling u.
well, you dont even make reference, so dude, you can tell me anything under the sky in the guise of 'from the bible
again, my question is, how many is many, which you repeatedly ignore
you make jesus sound so cham, but you cant point out how and why...i wonder why
also, its wholly irrelevant from the beginning because we were talking about why christianity is the most hated religion in the world due to the bad apples, i am not so sure why jesus' last 12 hours become the focal point
its tough arguing with me, because i always stick to the point, even if it annoys people
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
And how will i know how many percent of the world population are bad christians? do u think i hav an answer for dat? i'm not some astrologist or fortune teller pls.
wrong, this was not the question
can you please reread the first post in which i asked this question
thanks
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Originally posted by laurence82:
well, you dont even make reference, so dude, you can tell me anything under the sky in the guise of 'from the bible
again, my question is, how many is many, which you repeatedly ignore
you make jesus sound so cham, but you cant point out how and why...i wonder why
also, its wholly irrelevant from the beginning because we were talking about why christianity is the most hated religion in the world due to the bad apples, i am not so sure why jesus' last 12 hours become the focal point
its tough arguing with me, because i always stick to the point, even if it annoys people
How many is many? i do not know. do u? it's like asking how many bad & good people are there in the world. Figures aren't important. The point is both exist regardless.
No i surely can point out why Jesus is charm. Yes i can. Becos he is kind & compassion. u dun need a genius to know this.
The 12 hours did not become the focal point. i'm jus citing an example of bad christians if u hav been listening with ur heart.
There's no tough or soft arguing & debating. Nothing to be proud of. I understand dat everyone has their own perceptions. I think it matters more dat u are at peace with urself & others :)
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Originally posted by laurence82:
wrong, this was not the question
can you please reread the first post in which i asked this question
thanks
Sorry abt dat...pls look at my previous post :)
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
How many is many? i do not know. do u? it's like asking how many bad & good people are there in the world. Figures aren't important. The point is both exist regardless.
No i surely can point out why Jesus is charm. Yes i can. Becos he is kind & compassion. u dun need a genius to know this.
The 12 hours did not become the focal point. i'm jus citing an example of bad christians if u hav been listening with ur heart.
There's no tough or soft arguing & debating. Nothing to be proud of. I understand dat everyone has their own perceptions. I think it matters more dat u are at peace with urself & others :)
yeah, precisely, nobody knows, yet he is portrayed as one of the most if not the most hated chap...i am speechless..how far can this be misleading?
cham is not charm, not need to twist again
yesh, precisely, the last 12 hours is not the focal point, bad christians are everywhere thats makes it the most hated religion, i mean, bad christians who hates or backstabs jesus....does the rest of the world population even care then? hence your points are all irrelevant...
i dont listen to these posts, not even with my heart, i read it with my eyes thank you
i dont know why christians like to add certain emotions or character to the debate at hand, its tough to argue with me because of the reasons i stated, my emotional state and character is irrelevant, so dont have to add it in..i really dun like ad hominem arguments
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Sorry abt dat...pls look at my previous post :)
my question is not how many of the world population are bad christians
if you dont have the answer for it, its ok....
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Bro honestly, i dun hav an answer u desire for ur 1st question. I may hav my own perception but there will be many to disagree with me. There r too many variations to the original hebrew bible so i believe many are misquoted, again is re-wriiten by humans. i believe in God, not humans. At the end of the day, religion is about faith & how much u believe.
To answer ur 2nd question, to me...a good person is someone who puts others ahead of himself aka unselfish. But do u agree?
religion never saved anyone, its not about religion. Yahweh has never been interested in religion. Since there are so many variations, why don't you go back to the original, it has never changed. If I read correctly, you seem to imply that the book that you believe your faith is based on is fallable, then where is the basis of your faith? Who is this G_d that you believe in? So by taking your last line, the reality of G_d is dependent on how much you believe?
Disagree on the second point as you can still have an unselfish person who is still bad. Too wishy washy.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
yeah, precisely, nobody knows, yet he is portrayed as one of the most if not the most hated chap...i am speechless..how far can this be misleading?
cham is not charm, not need to twist again
yesh, precisely, the last 12 hours is not the focal point, bad christians are everywhere thats makes it the most hated religion, i mean, bad christians who hates or backstabs jesus....does the rest of the world population even care then? hence your points are all irrelevant...
i dont listen to these posts, not even with my heart, i read it with my eyes thank you
i dont know why christians like to add certain emotions or character to the debate at hand, its tough to argue with me because of the reasons i stated, my emotional state and character is irrelevant, so dont have to add it in..i really dun like ad hominem arguments
Sorry im not twisting the word cham, i saw wrongly, human error? is cham another word for prince? forgive me if my english is not up to ur standards.
If u dun read my replies with ur heart, how can we hav a 2 way conversation? u make me feel as if u want to win this debate so badly. then there's no point going on if this is a one-way traffic?
do u know why christians likes to add emotions to everything we do & say? It's becos the bible teaches us to be compassion in wat ever we do. we hav a heart. maybe dats why u hate christians? but do u hav a heart?
it's not tough arguing or debating, why do u keep repeating this? u sound like a very proud man. if u like arguements suited to ur taste, go argue in front of the mirror.
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
religion never saved anyone, its not about religion. Yahweh has never been interested in religion. Since there are so many variations, why don't you go back to the original, it has never changed. If I read correctly, you seem to imply that the book that you believe your faith is based on is fallable, then where is the basis of your faith? Who is this G_d that you believe in? So by taking your last line, the reality of G_d is dependent on how much you believe?
Disagree on the second point as you can still have an unselfish person who is still bad. Too wishy washy.
Yes. If u believe God exist then He exist.
Perhaps. But is jus an example. some may say a good person is someone who helps others without expecting any reward.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Sorry im not twisting the word cham, i saw wrongly, human error? is cham another word for prince? forgive me if my english is not up to ur standards.
If u dun read my replies with ur heart, how can we hav a 2 way conversation? u make me feel as if u want to win this debate so badly. then there's no point going on if this is a one-way traffic?
do u know why christians likes to add emotions to everything we do & say? It's becos the bible teaches us to be compassion in wat ever we do. we hav a heart. maybe dats why u hate christians? but do u hav a heart?
it's not tough arguing or debating, why do u keep repeating this? u sound like a very proud man. if u like arguements suited to ur taste, go argue in front of the mirror.
cham is hokkien word for miserable, pitiful etc
well, i am not sure why you want to mix up 2 way conversation, heart etc into this, all i require of you is to answer or respond with integrity, honesty and straightforwardness, no twisting, no wishy washiness, no irrelevant points
compassion is not relevant, you are only making yourself look better, i am pointing out the sheer fact that points have been put out, argue to these points, i am not sure why you must use words such as pride...these are totally irrelevant
if you want me to have heart and pity you, i cant, sorry, facts are facts, if you cant answer to the points, be graceful and bow out
again, you insert emotions into arguments which is simply about facts..ad hominem, hence i have to repeat, that i dont really care about your personal attacks
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Originally posted by laurence82:
cham is hokkien word for miserable, pitiful etc
well, i am not sure why you want to mix up 2 way conversation, heart etc into this, all i require of you is to answer or respond with integrity, honesty and straightforwardness, no twisting, no wishy washiness, no irrelevant points
compassion is not relevant, you are only making yourself look better, i am pointing out the sheer fact that points have been put out, argue to these points, i am not sure why you must use words such as pride...these are totally irrelevant
if you want me to have heart and pity you, i cant, sorry, facts are facts, if you cant answer to the points, be graceful and bow out
again, you insert emotions into arguments which is simply about facts..ad hominem, hence i have to repeat, that i dont really care about your personal attacks
Haha u are using a hokkien word ah...haha i see. Jesus is "cham" becos of his mission on earth. to save u & me. go read the bible lah.
i never said i wanted u to pity me. u said it urself. actually from ur posts, i can actually see how insecure u can be regarding christianity.
U kept claiming facts are facts but u hav nothing to support ur claimed "facts" .Actually i hav no wish to go on with u on this seeing how 1 sided this conversation has been. I'm a graceful man & i will bow out, but not becos of my irrelevant points which u keep claiming.
Winning is not everything. All the best & hope u find peace at heart :)
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Yes. If u believe God exist then He exist.
Perhaps. But is jus an example. some may say a good person is someone who helps others without expecting any reward.
who is this G_d you believe in? so saying, if someone does not believe in Yahweh, He does not exist?
So what you are saying is that you cannot really define a good person?
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
who is this G_d you believe in? so saying, if someone does not believe in Yahweh, He does not exist?
So what you are saying is that you cannot really define a good person?
God exists in the hearts of those who believes.
Doesn't matter if i can't define a good person, dats not important. If u want the defination, u can look up "good" in the dictionary :)
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Haha u are using a hokkien word ah...haha i see. Jesus is "cham" becos of his mission on earth. to save u & me. go read the bible lah.
i never said i wanted u to pity me. u said it urself. actually from ur posts, i can actually see how insecure u can be regarding christianity.
U kept claiming facts are facts but u hav nothing to support ur claimed "facts" .Actually i hav no wish to go on with u on this seeing how 1 sided this conversation has been. I'm a graceful man & i will bow out, but not becos of my irrelevant points which u keep claiming.
Winning is not everything. All the best & hope u find peace at heart :)
nope, if his mission is to save people, why would i use the word ''cham''? its you yourself who portray him as miserable with a bunch of backstabbers hating him...dont twist the argument please
well, truth be told, i am not insecure about christianity, so thats two ad hominem arguments you try to make, on top of the word proud
well, i did provide facts, my only request is that you answer them with straightforwardness, honesty and integrity
i am quite at peace actually, its with peace at heart, i am able to see clearly what points i made, what response i need...by response i mean i expect people to answer to my question, not twist and turn, i may be stubborn, but hey, at least i dont have to snake my way around
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Originally posted by laurence82:
nope, if his mission is to save people, why would i use the word ''cham''? its you yourself who portray him as miserable with a bunch of backstabbers hating him...dont twist the argument please
well, truth be told, i am not insecure about christianity, so thats two ad hominem arguments you try to make, on top of the word proud
well, i did provide facts, my only request is that you answer them with straightforwardness, honesty and integrity
i am quite at peace actually, its with peace at heart, i am able to see clearly what points i made, what response i need...by response i mean i expect people to answer to my question, not twist and turn, i may be stubborn, but hey, at least i dont have to snake my way around
Maybe the bible someday can explain to u wat u wish to know
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Maybe the bible someday can explain to u wat u wish to know
maybe? for a christian you shouldnt use the word maybe
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Originally posted by laurence82:
maybe? for a christian you shouldnt use the word maybe
Haha...never eaten humble pie b4 eh bro?
I used the word maybe towards u is becos u do not believe in God. if i used the word "confirm" i think i will get flame by u right? haha.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
Haha...never eaten humble pie b4 eh bro?
I used the word maybe towards u is becos u do not believe in God. if i used the word "confirm" i think i will get flame by u right? haha.
so you rather step back because you dont want to get flamed? wow, no wonder for the backstabbers during the last 12 hours of christ
humble pie? why would humble pie matters in this case? its not about humility anyway
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Originally posted by laurence82:
so you rather step back because you dont want to get flamed? wow, no wonder for the backstabbers during the last 12 hours of christ
humble pie? why would humble pie matters in this case? its not about humility anyway
haha...bro dun play with words & u dun hav to resort to personal attacks lah. this is jus a forum for people to discuss & debate. seriously if u like to win so much, this is the wrong place for u man.
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Originally posted by +Sikoyo+:
haha...bro dun play with words & u dun hav to resort to personal attacks lah. this is jus a forum for people to discuss & debate. seriously if u like to win so much, this is the wrong place for u man.
nope, in what way i play with words? a christian should stand by what he said or believe, or you want me to say, a christian is only a christian at an opportune time?
i am not sure about winning, thats the third ad hominem argument or point this night