Misled Evanglists. Let's pray for their sins
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Couple sentenced to 8 weeks jail for distributing seditious publications
By Teo Xuanwei, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 10 June 2009 1847 hrs
SINGAPORE : A couple, found guilty last month of distributing seditious or objectionable publications, has been sentenced to 8 weeks jail each.
50-year-old SingTel technical officer Ong Kian Cheong and his 46-year-old wife, UBS associate director Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, had been found guilty on four charges each of sedition.
For two decades, the couple spread their faith by handing out religious pamphlets, and then by dropping tracts into random HDB letterboxes.
From around 1998, however, the couple, both Protestant Christians, mailed them to addresses picked out from the telephone directory - those of Muslims included.
They "clearly did so with the intent of convincing the Muslim reader to convert to Christianity", a district court found.
For distributing and possessing seditious and objectionable publications, husband and wife were sentenced to eight weeks' jail each on Wednesday.
Such "intolerance, insensitivity and ignorance of delicate issues concerning race and religion" in Singapore "clearly warranted" a custodial sentence, said District Judge Roy Neighbour.
In the first full trial heard under the Sedition Act, the married couple of 24 years was found guilty on May 28 of the charges.
In 2007, Mr Irwan Ariffin, 32, and Madam Farhati Ahmad, 36, received an evangelistic comic-style booklet titled The Little Bride through the mail while Mr Isa Raffee, 35, was sent Who Is Allah?.
After a complaint to the police, an ambush was laid and the pair was arrested on Jan 30 last year.
Found in their condominium in Bukit Timah were 439 copies of 11 seditious tracts.
During the 11-day trial, it emerged that the SingTel technical officer and his wife, sent out about 20,000 publications in seven years.
Produced by an American firm called Chick Publications, the fundamentalist Protestant materials were "not only offensive for religious content but also have a tendency to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between Muslims and Christians in Singapore", said Judge Neighbour.
By distributing tracts with "callous, denigratory, offensive and insensitive statements on religion with aspersions on race", the pair had committed "serious" offences that "have the capacity to undermine and erode the delicate fabric of racial and religious harmony in Singapore".
Common sense, he said, dictated that religious fervor to spread the faith, "in our society, must be constrained by sensitivity, tolerance and mutual respect for another's faith and religious beliefs".
Ong and Chan were expressionless when sentenced.
Their lawyer Selva K Naidu told the court that they had filed a notice of appeal against the conviction last Friday. He was awaiting instructions to proceed.
The pair faced two charges of distributing seditious publications each, and one each of distributing an objectionable publication and possession of seditious tracts.
They got four weeks' jail for each charge - two of them running consecutively and the remaining to run concurrently.
They could have been fined up to $5,000 and/or jailed for up to three years for each of the two charges.
The possession charge carries a maximum fine of $2,000 and/or jail for up to 18 months. Distributing objectionable publications is punishable with a fine not exceeding $5,000 and/or up to one year behind bars. - CNA /ls -
die
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no die
just jailed for 8 weeks nia
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You know law in Singapore is a joke so I won't say anything against this couple.
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i think justice has been served
'law is a joke' is for sour grapes
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
You know law in Singapore is a joke so I won’t say anything against this couple.
Distributing tracts that contain verifiable facts can land a person in jail in Singapore?
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After the case of AWARE, once again, secularism and rationale wins over religious fanatism
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Originally posted by Honeybunz:
Couple sentenced to 8 weeks jail for distributing seditious publications
By Teo Xuanwei, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 10 June 2009 1847 hrs
SINGAPORE : A couple, found guilty last month of distributing seditious or objectionable publications, has been sentenced to 8 weeks jail each.
50-year-old SingTel technical officer Ong Kian Cheong and his 46-year-old wife, UBS associate director Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, had been found guilty on four charges each of sedition.
For two decades, the couple spread their faith by handing out religious pamphlets, and then by dropping tracts into random HDB letterboxes.
From around 1998, however, the couple, both Protestant Christians, mailed them to addresses picked out from the telephone directory - those of Muslims included.
They "clearly did so with the intent of convincing the Muslim reader to convert to Christianity", a district court found.
For distributing and possessing seditious and objectionable publications, husband and wife were sentenced to eight weeks' jail each on Wednesday.
Such "intolerance, insensitivity and ignorance of delicate issues concerning race and religion" in Singapore "clearly warranted" a custodial sentence, said District Judge Roy Neighbour.
In the first full trial heard under the Sedition Act, the married couple of 24 years was found guilty on May 28 of the charges.
In 2007, Mr Irwan Ariffin, 32, and Madam Farhati Ahmad, 36, received an evangelistic comic-style booklet titled The Little Bride through the mail while Mr Isa Raffee, 35, was sent Who Is Allah?.
After a complaint to the police, an ambush was laid and the pair was arrested on Jan 30 last year.
Found in their condominium in Bukit Timah were 439 copies of 11 seditious tracts.
During the 11-day trial, it emerged that the SingTel technical officer and his wife, sent out about 20,000 publications in seven years.
Produced by an American firm called Chick Publications, the fundamentalist Protestant materials were "not only offensive for religious content but also have a tendency to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between Muslims and Christians in Singapore", said Judge Neighbour.
By distributing tracts with "callous, denigratory, offensive and insensitive statements on religion with aspersions on race", the pair had committed "serious" offences that "have the capacity to undermine and erode the delicate fabric of racial and religious harmony in Singapore".
Common sense, he said, dictated that religious fervor to spread the faith, "in our society, must be constrained by sensitivity, tolerance and mutual respect for another's faith and religious beliefs".
Ong and Chan were expressionless when sentenced.
Their lawyer Selva K Naidu told the court that they had filed a notice of appeal against the conviction last Friday. He was awaiting instructions to proceed.
The pair faced two charges of distributing seditious publications each, and one each of distributing an objectionable publication and possession of seditious tracts.
They got four weeks' jail for each charge - two of them running consecutively and the remaining to run concurrently.
They could have been fined up to $5,000 and/or jailed for up to three years for each of the two charges.
The possession charge carries a maximum fine of $2,000 and/or jail for up to 18 months. Distributing objectionable publications is punishable with a fine not exceeding $5,000 and/or up to one year behind bars. - CNA /lsVery sure God have forgiven them=D
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I think the jail sentence is being over.
When the district court says the evangelist couple "clearly did so with the intent of convincing the Muslim
reader to convert to Christianity", that is expected naturally from an evangelist, that is their job description.With all the sedition scare, I have a small funny story with an evangelist couple btw. I heard knocks on my door and I opened to it receive the pair who is from a new church that opened nearby in the neighborhood. They look at me and beyond me and said, "Oh this is a muslim house? Ah its fine..." Then they walked off. I closed my door after, also peeping through the peephole and saw them knocking on the rest of the Chinese houses of the same floor.
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Apostasy is discouraged in islam by the fear of death.
Who can save them?
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Originally posted by Gauze:
I think the jail sentence is being over.
When the district court says the evangelist
couple "clearly did so with the intent of convincing the Muslim
reader to convert to Christianity", that is expected naturally from
an evangelist, that is their job description.With all the sedition scare, I have a small funny story with an evangelist couple btw. I heard knocks on my door and I opened to it receive the pair who is from a new church that opened nearby in the neighborhood. They look at me and beyond me and said, "Oh this is a muslim house? Ah its fine..." Then they walked off. I closed my door after, also peeping through the peephole and saw them knocking on the rest of the Chinese houses of the same floor.
You are lucky you didnt meet the pedophiles who hang around schools
Hopefully after this couple the law will deal next with them
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Apostasy is discouraged in islam by the fear of death.
Who can save them?
If they really need to be saved away from depraved Islam and expressed a desire to, I think Psalm 23 is very beautiful, reading the detail exegete from biblical scholars makes it even more so. The forth verse goes:
Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort meWhat follows:
You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.Surely goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD
forever.Originally posted by laurence82:You are lucky you didnt meet the pedophiles who hang around schools
Hopefully after this couple the law will deal next with them
Dude, wtf kind of jump is it from envangelists to suddenly pedo stalkers.
Tbh I find reading parts of the bible most times more inspiring than parts of the Quran. I wouldn't mind receiving good biblical materials every now and then randomly, unsolicitedly. But I guess the most relevant imperative of Christianity is to finally accept Jesus as the savior and I wouldn't want to disrepect that by just being in superficial awe at only some of its messages of my liking, so we'll have to remain being at poles apart. -
Originally posted by laurence82:
You are lucky you didnt meet the pedophiles who hang around schools
Hopefully after this couple the law will deal next with them
I don't want the law to deal with such street evangelists, I want the people to publicly hang, draw and quarter them. -
Originally posted by Gauze:
If they really need to be saved away from depraved Islam and expressed a desire to, I think Psalm 23 is very beautiful, reading the detail exegete from biblical scholars makes it even more so. The forth verse goes:
Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort meWhat follows:
You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.Surely goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD
forever.A Muslim is not free to believe or do what he wishes.
Apostasy is an unforgiven sin. A Muslim is not free to forsake his religion.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
You are lucky you didnt meet the pedophiles who hang around schools
Hopefully after this couple the law will deal next with them
Some convicted paedophiles convert to islam while serving time in jail.
Do you know why?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Some convicted paedophiles convert to islam while serving time in jail.
Do you know why?
Proof?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Some convicted paedophiles convert to islam while serving time in jail.
Do you know why?
Okay..... why?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
I don't want the law to deal with such street evangelists, I want the people to publicly hang, draw and quarter them.I say it was done with the hard work of law, government and the public, as in the case of AWARE and this case
As Singaporeans are no longer able to stand the abuses by certain religious group, they are more proactive in voicing their concerns or holding awareness events
Even a church has to take down its anti homosexual banners hanging outside after pressure from the public
I would say its a sign of maturing society
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Originally posted by Gauze:
If they really need to be saved away from depraved Islam and expressed a desire to, I think Psalm 23 is very beautiful, reading the detail exegete from biblical scholars makes it even more so. The forth verse goes:
Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort meWhat follows:
You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.Surely goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD
forever.Dude, wtf kind of jump is it from envangelists to suddenly pedo stalkers.
Tbh I find reading parts of the bible most
times more inspiring than parts of the Quran. I wouldn't mind
receiving good biblical materials every now and then randomly,
unsolicitedly. But I guess the most relevant imperative of
Christianity is to finally accept Jesus as the savior and I
wouldn't want to disrepect that by just being in superficial awe at
only some of its messages of my liking, so we'll have to remain
being at poles apart.You got to read at the other trhead about evangelists hanging around schools man
Who knows what intentions they have towards your kids?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
I say it was done with the hard work of law, government and the public, as in the case of AWARE and this case
As Singaporeans are no longer able to stand the abuses by certain religious group, they are more proactive in voicing their concerns or holding awareness events
Even a church has to take down its anti homosexual banners hanging outside after pressure from the public
I would say its a sign of maturing society
I prefer the public to have the right of expressing its indignation against being proselytize to without permission. Hanging, drawing and quartering seems to be a rather apt punishment for such street evangelists. As for further appeals, the street evangelists can take it straight up to their god instead of wasting the time of the earthly courts. -
All I gotta say is this....
There's nothing wrong in wanting to talk about your beliefs, so long as you don't take a dump on mine while you're at it.
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its an interesting case... i am not surprised that christians is trying to sway people into their christianity...
is there a comandmant in bible that says
"thou shall not spread christianity to other religions"
from what i know.. christianity wants you to spread their faith...
does not the bible tells you to spread the words of god...
if you spread the word of christian god.. then you must necessarily say that this other god you have is false..
in singapore... the government rules for religion game is that we cannot coerce people to take up your religion, at least not in forceful way...
so much contradictions in the religion world... how i wish i can wake up and there are no more talks of religion anymore... for god sake.. please make this day come..
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Originally posted by january:
its an interesting case... i am not surprised that christians is trying to sway people into their christianity...
is there a comandmant in bible that says
"thou shall not spread christianity to other religions"
from what i know.. christianity wants you to spread their faith...
does not the bible tells you to spread the words of god...
if you spread the word of christian god.. then you must necessarily say that this other god you have is false..
in singapore... the government rules for religion game is that we cannot coerce people to take up your religion, at least not in forceful way...
so much contradictions in the religion world... how i wish i can wake up and there are no more talks of religion anymore... for god sake.. please make this day come..
the day will come. really not joking.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
I say it was done with the hard work of law, government and the public, as in the case of AWARE and this case
As Singaporeans are no longer able to stand the abuses by certain religious group, they are more proactive in voicing their concerns or holding awareness events
Even a church has to take down its anti homosexual banners hanging outside after pressure from the public
I would say its a sign of maturing society
the world has always been following the low standards society since thousands of years ago. and no it is not maturing, its standards are getting lowing and worse. news are showing more "bad news" than good ones.
as i say in another topic, everybody always do things they like regardless of what others 'likes'. as shown in this couple evangelists. there are always the right way to do things and the wrong way.
the world follows their stardards. christians, as in the good faithful ones, follow God's holy standards. which is really high. like committing adultery is not crime. but it is a sin. but the high stardard is whoever looks at a woman and lust after her has already commited adultery with her in his heart. this is an example. we do what God likes.
well your destiny, your choice is all in your hands. i respect your choice and as said in another topic. debates like this including mine must end as it gets no where. do you know why two people argue? because both believe both are right. and finally this forum is not for debates and religious arguments. peace.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
Okay..... why?
Normally, there wouldn't be a problem with any religious reversion or conversion during the jail stint. It happens all the time, for whatever various personal reasons. Basic religious rights are retained in jail and religious groups provides materials or activities for prison mates to get voluntarily involved with.
What is probably implied here is how a pedo convict expectedly associates himself with Muhammad who had a 9 year old wife.Originally posted by laurence82:You got to read at the other trhead about evangelists hanging around schools man
Who knows what intentions they have towards your kids?
Don't be so bad leh