Originally posted by hunn:^not true. The only thing that NCC preaches about consistently is the amazing grace of God, and because of God's grace, He blesses us with prosperity and successes. When you touch the grace of God, every blessing just flows abuntdantly into your life.
I love Pastor Prince and his teachings. I have been so blessed by him. He is truly a man of God, a gift from God to us. I never knew how much Jesus loves me until I heard the teachings by Pastor Prince. Its sad that people take his words out of context and twist them according to ther own understanding and not according to God's Word. People are always cynical when it comes to megachurches like NCC, CHC etc. Its true that they are extremely blessed financially, but its also true that they also use these finances to bless others, but people love to see the negative in others, never the good. I am well aware of all the critiques that come against Pastor Prince, but it doesn't change the fact the I, along with many many other christians, regard him as our spiritual father.
God bless you!
amazing grace with SGD$$$$
He looks good only cause his wife wants him to look that way.. His hair, dressing, etc etc, is only for his wife to see, not the church... since we not married to him... =)
as for that rumor, it is not true and its only polite not to carry on spreading it about... If an outsider sees a christian spreading lies about another christian, what will they think? Surely it is not a good way to make friends and get to know people I believe..
I know its just a rumor.. but lets show courtesy ya?
I think most of the churches are just
interested in making money
U dun give~~U go Helll as Bible say so?
What sort of crap teaching is this/?
U dun give~~God will never Bless You!!
Another crap!!
If u Leave Church, U will be throw in Hell forever!!
Worst Crap of all!
Nope... The Bible doesnt say that... haha... If you dont give, perfectly fine.. NCC believes that if you dont want to give, please dont give.. We dont force.. If you give, then drop it in knowing that your giving is a seed, and that seed will multiply... Not once in NCC will you hear : If dont give, God wont bless you..
ALSO, we have never , EVER taught that if you leave church, you go to hell... in fact, if you ever leave, God will still never leave you...
Not once in 5 years + all those CDs have I heard any of those things.. so definitely not from NCC.. hehe... maybe from somewhere else? If I am wrong, just let me know which sermon, as all our sermons are dated and archived.. without fail... A simple search and the truth will come out =)
Originally posted by Joshen zx:Nope... The Bible doesnt say that... haha... If you dont give, perfectly fine.. NCC believes that if you dont want to give, please dont give.. We dont force.. If you give, then drop it in knowing that your giving is a seed, and that seed will multiply... Not once in NCC will you hear : If dont give, God wont bless you..
ALSO, we have never , EVER taught that if you leave church, you go to hell... in fact, if you ever leave, God will still never leave you...
Not once in 5 years + all those CDs have I heard any of those things.. so definitely not from NCC.. hehe... maybe from somewhere else? If I am wrong, just let me know which sermon, as all our sermons are dated and archived.. without fail... A simple search and the truth will come out =)
O well not for from your church for sure
because i accpeted christ in ur church.
So i know more or less know how ncc works
Haha.. Thats cool... Which CG are you in? I'm in Arrow(Youth) Ministry , studying in SP.. Serving in Video .. =D
Originally posted by Joshen zx:Haha.. Thats cool... Which CG are you in? I'm in Arrow(Youth) Ministry , studying in SP.. Serving in Video .. =D
Me not in CG or any church
No probs !! The doors always open!
Originally posted by hunn:^not true. The only thing that NCC preaches about consistently is the amazing grace of God, and because of God's grace, He blesses us with prosperity and successes. When you touch the grace of God, every blessing just flows abuntdantly into your life.
I love Pastor Prince and his teachings. I have been so blessed by him. He is truly a man of God, a gift from God to us. I never knew how much Jesus loves me until I heard the teachings by Pastor Prince. Its sad that people take his words out of context and twist them according to ther own understanding and not according to God's Word. People are always cynical when it comes to megachurches like NCC, CHC etc. Its true that they are extremely blessed financially, but its also true that they also use these finances to bless others, but people love to see the negative in others, never the good. I am well aware of all the critiques that come against Pastor Prince, but it doesn't change the fact the I, along with many many other christians, regard him as our spiritual father.
God bless you!
I love Pastor Prince and his teachings---so it is his teachings that you and people like you listen to instead of God's teaching?
seek first the kingdom of God, then the forgiveness of one's sin.throw your faith onto God, putting him first and other things will follow in abundance yes..totally agree..thats how some churches uses this to twist its meaning..do most churches seek the kingdom of God first?do they even know what the bible teaches?
Originally posted by noahnoah:O well not for from your church for sure
because i accpeted christ in ur church.
So i know more or less know how ncc works
the christ you accepted there is a fake..thats why now u are neither in a cg nor a church..
so it is his teachings that you and people like you listen to instead of God's teaching?
Lol man... the poster didnt mean it that way... c'mon.. In a place where God's word is sent forth of course we are lovin' Gods word... If any other pastor preaches the unadulterated Gospel, I too will support him..
If there is anyone who knows the Bible, I'd say Ps Prince can be counted as one of them.. Everything he preaches is from the Bible... Every interpretation is also from the Bible..
There has not been a single week where Bible is not dug in deeply.. not just in English, but in hebrew and greek.. to get a full understanding of the passage..
As for NoahNoah, its perfectly fine if he doesnt want a CG or church, just that he's only limiting the ways through which he can receive.. If he wants a closer relationship with Christ then he will come back... no one forcing... After all, not all whom Jesus healed followed Him, but He still healed them, even though He can read their hearts and tell that they will never come back... But the ones who followed Christ ended up getting more revelation and blessings..
Really, I think that moron prince looks like a sissy
Originally posted by SPDCP:Lol man... the poster didnt mean it that way... c'mon.. In a place where God's word is sent forth of course we are lovin' Gods word... If any other pastor preaches the unadulterated Gospel, I too will support him..
If there is anyone who knows the Bible, I'd say Ps Prince can be counted as one of them.. Everything he preaches is from the Bible... Every interpretation is also from the Bible..
There has not been a single week where Bible is not dug in deeply.. not just in English, but in hebrew and greek.. to get a full understanding of the passage..
As for NoahNoah, its perfectly fine if he doesnt want a CG or church, just that he's only limiting the ways through which he can receive.. If he wants a closer relationship with Christ then he will come back... no one forcing... After all, not all whom Jesus healed followed Him, but He still healed them, even though He can read their hearts and tell that they will never come back... But the ones who followed Christ ended up getting more revelation and blessings..
if this price guy is so amazing that whatever he teaches is scriptural..i would like to meet him..someone his level most probably can answer my questions...
Haha.. if you ever get that chance lemme know... i also wanna fellowship with him... right now i'm almost at the bottom of the ladder.. lol...
Pew warmers> Regulars > CG members > CG Coremembers > CG Leader > Overseer > Deacon > Pastor
Right now, i'm only at Coremember.. chances of us getting personal time with Ps Prince is kinda.... LOW HAHA!! unless you bump into him at teh tarik stall .. or shopping centre...
Of course, the other pastors can answer your questions just as well.. the leaders too.. they all have sat under Ps Prince for many years and the anointing flows down unto us.. So if you schedule an appointment with the church should be able to get any pastor to talk with you over lunch...
Originally posted by SPDCP:Haha.. if you ever get that chance lemme know... i also wanna fellowship with him... right now i'm almost at the bottom of the ladder.. lol...
Pew warmers> Regulars > CG members > CG Coremembers > CG Leader > Overseer > Deacon > Pastor
Right now, i'm only at Coremember.. chances of us getting personal time with Ps Prince is kinda.... LOW HAHA!! unless you bump into him at teh tarik stall .. or shopping centre...
Of course, the other pastors can answer your questions just as well.. the leaders too.. they all have sat under Ps Prince for many years and the anointing flows down unto us.. So if you schedule an appointment with the church should be able to get any pastor to talk with you over lunch...
haha..seriously..i like your enthu..your passion for "God" and church is impressive..if only you know the truth..you will be very much rewarded..
Originally posted by Joshen zx:He looks good only cause his wife wants him to look that way.. His hair, dressing, etc etc, is only for his wife to see, not the church... since we not married to him... =)
as for that rumor, it is not true and its only polite not to carry on spreading it about... If an outsider sees a christian spreading lies about another christian, what will they think? Surely it is not a good way to make friends and get to know people I believe..
I know its just a rumor.. but lets show courtesy ya?
How do you know it is not true? Got proof? Just curious...
Originally posted by SPDCP:Lol man... the poster didnt mean it that way... c'mon.. In a place where God's word is sent forth of course we are lovin' Gods word... If any other pastor preaches the unadulterated Gospel, I too will support him..
If there is anyone who knows the Bible, I'd say Ps Prince can be counted as one of them.. Everything he preaches is from the Bible... Every interpretation is also from the Bible..
There has not been a single week where Bible is not dug in deeply.. not just in English, but in hebrew and greek.. to get a full understanding of the passage..
As for NoahNoah, its perfectly fine if he doesnt want a CG or church, just that he's only limiting the ways through which he can receive.. If he wants a closer relationship with Christ then he will come back... no one forcing... After all, not all whom Jesus healed followed Him, but He still healed them, even though He can read their hearts and tell that they will never come back... But the ones who followed Christ ended up getting more revelation and blessings..
Curious again....how do you know he is not preaching "unadulterated Gospel"?
"Every interpretation is also from the Bible.. " but only his own interpretation and many more people have their own interpretation too....so which is "unadulterated Gospel"? And who decides?
Then, why so many people are saying he is not preaching the "correct teachings" of the Bible? I heard his book (Destined to reign), he even suggest that NT starts with Acts and that the 4 Gospels are considered OT....and his books are sold as motivation book and not religious book....why?
Here's a link that you can read about the review of his book : http://szezeng.blogspot.com/2008/10/deeper-look-at-joseph-princes-destined.html
You are right that Jesus never turn away from anyone who need His help. In fact, He is always reaching out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised. He help regardless and it was His act of love that converts and it is His act of love that he showed Christians how one can live their faith - By loving one's neighbour. This is His commandents to Christians in NT and every of the 10 commandments can be replaced by this commandment - Love.
I know people from ncc tells me that ncc give 10% of their collection to charities (where did bal 90% goes?) but is money everything? A lot of Churches are providing education, shelter, nursing homes, hospice and even hospital to do exactly what Jesus did - reaching out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised. And many of these Churches do not even teach tithing....which is another dubious point of contention. They still raise funds and got volunteers to do the work of God.
Originally posted by domonkassyu:I love Pastor Prince and his teachings---so it is his teachings that you and people like you listen to instead of God's teaching?
Seems like ncc's focus is on JP teachings and interpretation of the bible according to himself. How far is that away from the Word Of God (the Truth) ? Something to ponder about......
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:How do you know it is not true? Got proof? Just curious...
Even if I do not have proof, it is still none of our business! If I were to say terrible things against you, things which you could not prove were false, how would you handle it? Would you like it?
"Every interpretation is also from the Bible.. " but only his own interpretation and many more people have their own interpretation too....so which is "unadulterated Gospel"? And who decides?
The Holy Spirit decides... And it is reflected by growth. If a shepherd is lousy and his food is of no/low quality, the sheep will suffer and die off eventually...
he even suggest that NT starts with Acts and that the 4 Gospels are considered OT
This is because the New Covenant is enforced once the Old Covenant has been fulfilled. And for that to happen, Jesus must die on the cross. So it was only near the end of the 4 gospels that that event occured. Therefore, the New Covenant began in Acts, the first chapter AFTER Jesus had risen ...
and Ps Prince does not decide where the bookstores put the book.. they can put it in the food section for all we care... seriously thats not even a valid argument.. cmon..
I know people from ncc tells me that ncc give 10% of their collection to charities (where did bal 90% goes?) but is money everything? A lot of Churches are providing education, shelter, nursing homes, hospice and even hospital to do exactly what Jesus did - reaching out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised. And many of these Churches do not even teach tithing....which is another dubious point of contention.
Churches who do not teach on tithing are robbing the people, and robbing God as stated in Malachi. As for us, MINIMUM 10% is going out.. it is usually more...
the 90% that should remain is used to pay the pastors, the staff and the maintenance, as well as for the rental fees for the space we use.. also, now with the new building project, a considerable sum in going into building Gods house.
Now, please dont quote me " but we dont need a building to worship, we are Gods temple now!" ... I might as well ask you to hold your services on the lawn in fort canning.. or at Padang..
Jesus Himself called the Temple that Herod, a heathan emperor built " My fathers house"
The building is in anycase, a more practical solution to our space needs.. cheaper in the long run.. plus, with the recession, its getting cheaper.. so we can spend less money..
I think i said enough.. its late and i got internship tmr.. thanks all for reading.. cya..
Originally posted by SPDCP:Even if I do not have proof, it is still none of our business! If I were to say terrible things against you, things which you could not prove were false, how would you handle it? Would you like it?
Actually, I agrees with you but just wonder why you said it is not true......so seems like it is not true because you think it is not and not a fact. I thought you have proof so that this rummour can be dispel once and for all.....
Originally posted by SPDCP:The Holy Spirit decides...
Who said so? The Scripture? If everyone claims that, nobody will know the Word Of God and the truth. Everyone will claim the same authority for their interpretations and who is right?
So, I believed you can't say for sure that prince is preaching "unadulterated Gospel" because it is so only to you and ncc members....and not necessarily the fact.
Originally posted by SPDCP:This is because the New Covenant is enforced once the Old Covenant has been fulfilled. And for that to happen, Jesus must die on the cross. So it was only near the end of the 4 gospels that that event occured. Therefore, the New Covenant began in Acts, the first chapter AFTER Jesus had risen ...
and Ps Prince does not decide where the bookstores put the book.. they can put it in the food section for all we care... seriously thats not even a valid argument.. cmon..
That argument is unique only to ncc I suppose......while imo, it should start with the birth of Christ and begining of the salvation story. More important, it was Jesus's teaching and example that is what NT is about......while act is the starting era where His aposoltes spread the Gospel and teachings according to Christ (as spelt out in the 4 Gospels). NT Christians are followers of Christ isn't it?
It seems strange why no bookstore would thinks his book shoulld be sold as religious book when it is written by a "famous pastor"........and that speaks volume...and with regards to "Prince does not decide where the bookstores put the book" again, is this a fact you know or just your personal opinion?
Originally posted by SPDCP:Churches who do not teach on tithing are robbing the people, and robbing God as stated in Malachi. As for us, MINIMUM 10% is going out.. it is usually more...
the 90% that should remain is used to pay the pastors, the staff and the maintenance, as well as for the rental fees for the space we use.. also, now with the new building project, a considerable sum in going into building Gods house.
More like Churches that teach tithing are robbing the people.......never had Jesus said we should tithe 10%....maybe you should read
1. http://www.ukapologetics.net/tithe.htm
2. http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/
and you can google more to learn the truth about tithing. And how tithe is used or misused by some for personal wealth.....while there are many people around the world in need of help......so how does that matches up to the teaching of our Lord?
Yes, we all need a place to worhsip and building a church is not a problem.....but one north is not a church.....as "Rock Productions has provided a legal undertaking to JTC that the venue will be managed strictly on a commercial basis and will not be converted into a religious facility"
If truely a church is needed, they can get a freehold land and building which will cost them much lesser......
I think above undertaking by Rock is quite clear that the huge investments on a leasehold place is really for commercial purposes seeking for monetary returns so that stake holder will get richer.....
Originally posted by Happyinfo2:You are right that Jesus never turn away from anyone who need His help. In fact, He is always reaching out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised. He help regardless and it was His act of love that converts and it is His act of love that he showed Christians how one can live their faith - By loving one's neighbour. This is His commandents to Christians in NT and every of the 10 commandments can be replaced by this commandment - Love.
I know people from ncc tells me that ncc give 10% of their collection to charities (where did bal 90% goes?) but is money everything? A lot of Churches are providing education, shelter, nursing homes, hospice and even hospital to do exactly what Jesus did - reaching out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised. And many of these Churches do not even teach tithing....which is another dubious point of contention. They still raise funds and got volunteers to do the work of God.
So is giving 10% or more of money to charities the way to do God's will? Did Jesus just give away money to the poor and needy?
It is not only financial assistance that people need, also emotional and spiritual......and that is why true Churches that do what they preach mobilise their people to reach out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised by taking actions.....
They build schools, shelter, nursing homes, hospice and even hospital to do exactly what Jesus did - reaching out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised. This is the way to spread God's love and let those in need know that there is love (from God) and give these people hope....and people who are touched by God will have faith and converts....and this is how true Christians who heard the Word of God will take actions to live their lives as Christians and be a light to the world and messengers of Christ.
After all, Jesus said he is here to serve rather than be served. As His followers, don't you think we should do the same? I.E. to serve like Jesus?
Read MT25....
"Whoever fails to love does not know God, because God is love." (1Jn 4:8)
So where does ncc stand on this?
First of all, I do not represent NCC in any capacity.. I am simply a student who attends NCC.. All posts here are from my own personal opinion... I am not a leader(yet), i only serve as lightsman for the Youth Ministry. All mistakes are my own. NCC does not post on forums, all correspondences should take place in the form of a written letter either to the press, or through a public announcement on the website or during services.. So asking where does NCC stand is not the right question im afraid.. haha.. It should be, where do I stand.. Oh and even though my nick is SPDCP, i also do not represent Singapore Poly Dip. Chem Process as a spokesman... xD
Now, let me try to answer you from the bottom up.. i think its gonna be a really long post...
Read MT25...
Matthew 25 verses 1 to 13 is actually prophesying that when Jesus returns, half the Jews will be ready, while the other half will be ready after the tribulation. Why? Because the 10 virgins are not the brides, but the bridesmaids.. The church is referred to as the Bride of Christ, who is according to the custom, already inside waiting for the groom to arrive..
Verses 14 to 30 is about managing God's money. Here, it states that the servants who invested the masters money were praised, while the one who hid it away, was reprimanded for it.. the master also said, even if you did not invest, at the very least, put it in the bank.. Investing is praised, banking it is bare minimum... The One North building is not just a place for us to congregate, but also serves the dual purpose of having invested the Lord's money, all of which will go into the church, and not the pockets of the pastors. They hold the shares only on behalf of the church. They are not allowed to touch any of the money.. All of it is signed in New Creation Church's name, not Pastor Prince..
The pastors salaries are decided by the board of renumeration and through specific offerings.. everything is taxed and documented..
The remaining verses are for Christians to rejoice by.. when they would receive their rewards for taking on His righteousness and not their own... Those who did not depend on their righteousness, were accepted. Those who did, were not..
So is giving 10% or more of money to charities the way to do God's will? Did Jesus just give away money to the poor and needy?
Jesus did not just give money, in fact, He gave people a way to get money for themselves. He healed the sick, injured, handicapped, unclean, demonized, the best part.. even the dead.. allowing them to work for their own keep. But then, the question stands, what is God's will?
"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second" -Hebrews 10:9
That argument is unique only to ncc I suppose......while imo, it should start with the birth of Christ and begining of the salvation story. More important, it was Jesus's teaching and example that is what NT is about......while act is the starting era where His aposoltes spread the Gospel and teachings according to Christ (as spelt out in the 4 Gospels). NT Christians are followers of Christ isn't it?
Hebrews 10:9 also answers this question... There, it says that the first must first be taken away, so that the second may be established... I may use this analogy: You cannot recontract your mobile line, until the first one is removed. If you do, it is unlawful. God must go by His own rules. If He wants to establish a New Covenant, the Old must first be settled with. And it can only be settled with a payment, that none of us can pay.
Now, i want to address this question :
It is not only financial assistance that people need, also emotional and spiritual......and that is why true Churches that do what they preach mobilise their people to reach out to the poor, needy, neglected and marginalised by taking actions...
I wonder why you think that we do not, or are currently not participating in such things? Just this monday, we sent a a team to Thailand on mission. End of October, the Poly Cluster are going to a Home for Children with Cerebral Palsy to heal and to bless them with company. 10% minimum goes out to support various charities and causes. Its not that we are not doing such things, but that we are not broadcasting it to the world to hear.. Why? Its none of the worlds business , thats first.. second, we are not glorifying ourselves... A man who shouts : HEY! I DONATED $100000 compared to the one who gives $100000 in silence, you can see if they desire approval from man or not..
And how tithe is used or misused by some for personal wealth.....while there are many people around the world in need of help......so how does that matches up to the teaching of our Lord?
All the tithes immediately go into the Church's bank account, not Ps Princes... Every withdrawal must be documented and taxed where applicable... As for the "many people around the world" argument... they sound just like Judas Iscariot..
"4But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5"Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages."
What was Jesus answer? in Verse 7: 7"Leave her alone." Likewise I say to those critics, Leave us alone..
Yes, we all need a place to worhsip and building a church is not a problem.....but one north is not a church.....as "Rock Productions has provided a legal undertaking to JTC that the venue will be managed strictly on a commercial basis and will not be converted into a religious facility"
If truely a church is needed, they can get a freehold land and building which will cost them much lesser......
Areas that are zoned for religious purposes are limited to only 30 year terms.. not 99 or 999... also, you are right... One North is NOT a church.. it merely is a place where the church congregates.. and we have already measured the costs.. you dont pump $550 million into a project without first considering all other options...
I think above undertaking by Rock is quite clear that the huge investments on a leasehold place is really for commercial purposes seeking for monetary returns so that stake holder will get richer...
You are right! Rock is a commercial company.. It was created to make money... If Rock does not make money, then it is a loser company.. Thank God it is making money... As for shareholders... there is only 1 shareholder... NCC... So Rock is seeking monetary returns so that the church is richer... not the pastor..
More like Churches that teach tithing are robbing the people.......never had Jesus said we should tithe 10%...
Jesus did teach on tithing... I am sure everyone has read Luke 15.. I hope none has thought that it is all about the same thing.. There is no insignificant detail in the Bible..
In the first parable in luke 15, Jesus talks about the lost sheep. Instantly you can identify the lost sheep to be the church. When Jesus found the church, he left everything else to go save that church...
the second parable, is no longer about the shepherd. it is a woman. The church is also depicted as a woman. A woman who has lost 1 silver coin out of 10... what is 1/10 of the church's money? The tithe! Jesus says, if the church has lost the tithe, she should light a lamp, literally meaning obtain wisdom/revelation, and search the house for the tithe.. and upon finding it, rejoices..
The last one we all know the famous prodigal son, The Father, finding the lost son...
So Jesus did in fact teach about tithing.. in fact, he taught more on money than on prayer.. 16 out of Christ's 38 parables deal with money...
It seems strange why no bookstore would thinks his book shoulld be sold as religious book when it is written by a "famous pastor"........and that speaks volume...and with regards to "Prince does not decide where the bookstores put the book" again, is this a fact you know or just your personal opinion?
Please.. this is common sense.. if not, then go to any bookstore and ask if the authors decide or the bookstore decides.. Also, to say that "NO" bookstore would put it in the right place is a fallacy.. how many out of 100 have you actually gone to check? i believe all of us have better things to do with our time.. I, for one, have always seen it in its proper place in Borders, Kinokuniya, MPH, Times, and Popular.. at least, the ones that i have been to anyway..
Actually, I agrees with you but just wonder why you said it is not true......so seems like it is not true because you think it is not and not a fact. I thought you have proof so that this rummour can be dispel once and for all.....
God says that light was created before the Sun. So that means if i nuke the sun into dust, there would still be light.. Anyone can prove it? No? Then are you calling God a liar?
Or
I can say that i was late because i could not find my keys for half an hour... but in actual fact, i was watching TV... no one was at home besides me.. Will you believe me even without proof? simple logic.. mrs xxx can rumor about my magnificent key losing abilities.. but no proof to show that i was actually watching tv..
Who said so? The Scripture? If everyone claims that, nobody will know the Word Of God and the truth. Everyone will claim the same authority for their interpretations and who is right?
Of course, the only one who is perfectly right shall be judge over who is right.. and apart from the Holy Spirit, who else can say that they are never wrong? Nobody will know the word of God? What you call the Bible? Like i said earlier, the way the shepherd leads the flock will be reflected in their growth.. if you see many leaders rising up, many sucessful people being grown, many lives getting changed for the better, i'd say that the food there is good... it is a good testimony...
I hope i did not sound too harsh or curt or condescending.. If i did i apologize... looking forward to your comments...