so what happen if the fictional become real?
that some of the fact in the so call bible is distorted and manipulated by men who written it?How?
Originally posted by Joolead:what happen if it is true?
If it's true and people believe in it, then it becomes another religion. And as that religion grow, there will be some who disagree. And if the disagreement becomes heated... it will lead to another discussion in forum.
Originally posted by AhChye:
If it's true and people believe in it, then it becomes another religion. And as that religion grow, there will be some who disagree. And if the disagreement becomes heated... it will lead to another discussion in forum.
Nice and later, if there is some more disagreement, there will be holy war...
Many people seems to left the church cause they find the sermons and rites dry and do not reflect day to day living ..what christianity needs is not more buildings and pastors but real spirit that able to move the people and face challenges this life and next...that is the kingdom of heaven!
Praise the Lord!
Catknight....what you talking about? "real spirit to able to move bla bla bla....that is kingdom of heaven"? What do u mean? Do we even know what are the original teachings of Jesus? (btw, im a Muslim and i believe Jesus as a Prophet of God). The Bibles we have now...are they 100% teachings and words of God and Jesus? Does the Bible tells us how to run a country, to treat orphans, treat our wifes, mothers, children?
What is this kingdom of heaven we talking about? Fantasy world? I am sorry if i offend any of you coz its not my intention. I too dream of a better and peaceful world where there are no poverties, no corruption, people greet anybody they meet etc. But if we dont need talks to change...we need actions.
Christianity being able to subject to self criticism so much so that the affairs of the world really do not take it to be much authoritative compared to the middle ages
Originally posted by Catknight:Christianity being able to subject to self criticism so much so that the affairs of the world really do not take it to be much authoritative compared to the middle ages
Could you rephrase that? Don't quite catch what you're trying to say.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Could you rephrase that? Don't quite catch what you're trying to say.
He talks in jargons that only he can understand whta he is trying to say thus defeats the purpose of a healthy discussion.
Originally posted by hamidisaidi:He talks in jargons that only he can understand whta he is trying to say thus defeats the purpose of a healthy discussion.
Considering you've just declared your self to be a Muslim, i think you might want to keep an eye out for the resident Islam hater here.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Considering you've just declared your self to be a Muslim, i think you might want to keep an eye out for the resident Islam hater here.
Haters-plural, not singular.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Considering you've just declared your self to be a Muslim, i think you might want to keep an eye out for the resident Islam hater here.
Haters...there will always be islam-haters wherever we turn..it's just sad coz most of these haters are just blinded. How can you hate something you do not understand? To listen to one side of the story without finding out the other side is just plain prejudice.
Anyway, i do not hate them...just pity really coz God create us to be the rulers of the world by giving us brains to think but some just forgot to make use of this gift.
Anyway, my fellow brothers of Christianity, our difference lies in just one thing; you all belived Jesus as God whereas we believed him to be the Apostle of God...
Whatever our differences, our previous path and future journey are the same.
Originally posted by hamidisaidi:Anyway, my fellow brothers of Christianity, our difference lies in just one thing; you all belived Jesus as God whereas we believed him to be the Apostle of God...
Whatever our differences, our previous path and future journey are the same.
We come from the Isaac line, you come from the Ishmael line? Is that wat is says in the Koran?
Originally posted by hamidisaidi:Haters...there will always be islam-haters wherever we turn..it's just sad coz most of these haters are just blinded. How can you hate something you do not understand? To listen to one side of the story without finding out the other side is just plain prejudice.
Anyway, i do not hate them...just pity really coz God create us to be the rulers of the world by giving us brains to think but some just forgot to make use of this gift.
Wrong, because we atheists and irreligionists are against God and religion. We know that there are no miracles and by scientific logic, there can never be God.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Wrong, because we atheists and irreligionists are against God and religion. We know that there are no miracles and by scientific logic, there can never be God.
Heh i know that by scientific logic that is no Christian/Muslim/Taoist/Hindu God. History certainly shows no evidence of any loving and caring God, or even an higher intelligence based on limited human imagination.
but no God? That would be a little arrogant for my tastes.
Originally posted by hamidisaidi:Haters...there will always be islam-haters wherever we turn..it's just sad coz most of these haters are just blinded. How can you hate something you do not understand? To listen to one side of the story without finding out the other side is just plain prejudice.
Anyway, i do not hate them...just pity really coz God create us to be the rulers of the world by giving us brains to think but some just forgot to make use of this gift.
I've read Bhuzir Bhutto's memoir, i'm quite surprised to find Islam actually a more moderate religion in teaching compared to Christianity. Pretty accepting of different religions and beliefs.
Quite a pity that such teachings are abused so badly by Man.
Simi Taiji?
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I've read Bhuzir Bhutto's memoir, i'm quite surprised to find Islam actually a more moderate religion in teaching compared to Christianity. Pretty accepting of different religions and beliefs.Quite a pity that such teachings are abused so badly by Man.
Some men turn religion into a political weapon. We have 'Muslim' terrorists who led blind followers by the word jihad. We have other extrimists from other religions as well. But Islam is the focus of more attention due to its large population and its fast growing numbers. When we mention Islam, we think of Arabs; barbarians. But when we mention Buddishm etc, we think of holy men. Get what i mean?
Part of it has to do with biased media reporting and brain-washing since young by the West.
Originally posted by hamidisaidi:Some men turn religion into a political weapon. We have 'Muslim' terrorists who led blind followers by the word jihad. We have other extrimists from other religions as well. But Islam is the focus of more attention due to its large population and its fast growing numbers. When we mention Islam, we think of Arabs; barbarians. But when we mention Buddishm etc, we think of holy men. Get what i mean?
Part of it has to do with biased media reporting and brain-washing since young by the West.
Meh hard to admit it, but you're right.
Originally posted by AhChye:
We come from the Isaac line, you come from the Ishmael line? Is that wat is says in the Koran?
Yup. We are descendants of Prophet Abraham p.b.u.h. and all the way to the 1st man, Prophet Adam p.b.u.h. The fact is we believe in the same God as taught by Abraham. Though Christianity has elevated Jesus to be God but Muslims believed he is one of hte mightiest Prophets of God.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Heh i know that by scientific logic that is no Christian/Muslim/Taoist/Hindu God. History certainly shows no evidence of any loving and caring God, or even an higher intelligence based on limited human imagination.but no God? That would be a little arrogant for my tastes.
That's agnostic theory.
In fact, Jesus (or Isa in Arabic) p.b.u.h. is held in such a high regard in Islam that we have a whole chapter about his miraculous birth. We believed he cures lepers by the will of God, raise the dead by the will of God etc. We believed God raise him up to Heaven before he was crucified and put in his place the man who betrayed him (and make it to look like Jesus). We believed Jesus will return one day to rule the world as God wants it to be.
Originally posted by hamidisaidi:Yup. We are descendants of Prophet Abraham p.b.u.h. and all the way to the 1st man, Prophet Adam p.b.u.h. The fact is we believe in the same God as taught by Abraham. Though Christianity has elevated Jesus to be God but Muslims believed he is one of hte mightiest Prophets of God.
Please explain to me about Prophet Ibrahim being the forefather to the Chinese race. Chinese do not believe in the laws as taught by Ibrahim but Chinese are the descendants of the Dragon.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
That's agnostic theory.
Everything in this universe is created perfectly with their own specific function and purpose. Does it happen by chance? Evolution? That's is crap theory coz till now sicentists cannot prove it. Things don't happen by chance. There must be a Creator. Think! We are given brains to think...look around you and ponder the things you see, smell, hear, taste.